Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #10

[Deleted member 102539]

Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
I wonder if DM is racist?

Me too, matou. It would be in keeping with his superiority complex, IMO.

All MOO.

Maybe DM mentioned the "anti racist" in WM's obituary because of their constantly battle around this conception?

 

[deugirtni]

I feel sick and nervous about this week. anyone else?

I was feeling that way last week.

 

[hellkat2]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mos...eal-car-ship-Uganda-OPERATE-IN-THIS-AREA.html
IMO it does not make sense that DM and MS highjacked the vehicle instead of just stealing it when no body was around like they did with the bobcat etc. Then i did a google search and came up with this article. DM and MS were looking for specific type of vehicle. Is it possible that the operation was bigger than anybody could imagine. In the article I attached they talk about container ships etc. DM liked his Baja races in Mexico. Maybe the vehicles were going via container ship to Mexico. Highjacking is more heard of in the USA than in Canada I think. But if you research it a little a popular way to highjack a vehicle is to rear end the vehicle and make it look like an accident. Basically do something that will make the owner of the vehicle get out of the car and then they just drive away and leave the owner on the side of the road. There was mention of someone following the Bosma vehicle in DMs truck when on the test drive. Maybe the thought was to do the same to TB but something happened. I also think that AM's testimony that DM questioned him re who should I steal the truck from the nice guy or the --------? was perhaps a clever manipulation. This would imply that they were only planning to steal one truck...when in fact their plan was to steal many and the car stealing ring has many involved and is bigger than many may imagine.

 

[brightii]

Maybe DM mentioned the "anti racist" in WM's obituary because of their constantly battle around this conception?

Yes, maybe WM had heard DM and company making racial slurs with their jargon in WM's presence and did object, IMO. Perhaps the racists WM feared were DM and his friends, and the obituary may be a creepy way of acknowledging that there was conflict between DM and WM? I always wondered why what WM was afraid of was even mentioned, as it just seems like such a weird thing to highlight in an obituary, IMO. Poor WM, he did have reason to feel fearful, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[Sillybilly]

If anyone is interested in DM's opinion on Indian take-out in "Etobes", here's his Yelp review from 2011: https://www.yelp.ca/user_details?userid=ifCl1ZzDEsU_69NpJisRug

It's fascinating that he would use the nickname "Dellen the felon" publicly. No surprise that MS misspelled it in his contacts.

"Why You Should Read My Reviews

cause I have high f'ing standards"

 

[Deleted member 102539]

https://www.google.se/search?um=1&s...=m26rUY7MGqfU4QSJk4GoCQ#imgrc=LzWnDOcz_MCSyM:

 

[hellkat2]

http://www.popcenter.org/problems/export_stolen_vehicles/
Here is another article that may be of interest. This likely does not come as news to anyone but it is to me and I wonder again if A.M. saying they stole "for the thrill of it" is a way of trying to cover for something more extensive.

 

[brightii]

"Why You Should Read My Reviews


cause I have high f'ing standards"

I saw that but was afraid to post it here in case I'd get into trouble with the Mod, and then you posted it. Lol Thanks! And the last book DM read at the time was "some pirate thing". DM must have paid more attention to that book than he let on, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[deugirtni]

I feel sick and nervous about this week. anyone else?

I was feeling that way last week.

 

[Abitcountry]

IMO, this is an unfair comparison. It would be much more difficult for a mother or father to testify against their own child than it would be for an aunt or an uncle, IMO, especially when they are not close or have past issues that affected the relationship, IMO. The bond between parents and children is usually intense and complex, IMO, and IMO it is hard to break or betray for most people, even when it's the right thing to do, as it is IMO, in this case. Fortunately for most of us we will not likely ever be subjected to such a test of loyalty or integrity, IMO.

All MOO.

When I put out my thought, I had clearly in mind the relationship between MB & RB...brother and sister.....raised in the same family...similar values, well educated, succesful careers etc. Siblings who at one time had a relationship strong enough that RB stepped up to the plate more than once to help out as a nurturing adult or parental figure for DM off and on between the ages of 2 through to 15 or thereabouts.
RB obviously felt something for his nephew and not for just a long weekend ! A close relationship with a niece or nephew spanning an extended period during a child's formative years is more than the casual relationship that exists in most extended families.
That kind of relationship is not extinguished overnight....caring adults do not abandon their charges lightly even when the going gets rough.
I can only guess that there came a time when RB recognized his investment of time and caring was having little or no impact on his nephew...and it may have gone so far as to jeopardize the well being of his own children. I rather think that RB was compelled to take off the blinders regarding DM......In the end, I do not believe that the RB cared less for his nephew but he would not shy away from the clear line in the sand that DM brought about by his own horrific behaviour.
I am sorry but I don't think the parent-child bond buys MB a pass on doing what is the right thing ......

 

[hellkat2]

Thanks for the URL post. Very interesting the part where DM says he needs to make 100,000 to get out of the hole....and ..... He doesn't have a choice if he doesn't want to end up living under the gardener.....or something to that effect. I wonder if DM was working for a criminal cartel that had him under the gun so to speak with regard to meeting a quota. A criminal cartel may have been attracted to someone like DM given he owns an airport hangar, has a helicopter and a pilots license to boot and an excuse to be in Mexico re the Baja races. Maybe they met some individuals in Mexico that took him and his friends under their wing..in a bad way. Who knows what was going out of that airport in Breslau. Of course this is speculation and my opinion but I don't think it is as simple as a "thrill kill". AM and the others testifying may want people to believe that for a whole lot of other reasons.

 

[Inspector_North]

Thanks for the URL post. Very interesting the part where DM says he needs to make 100,000 to get out of the hole....and ..... He doesn't have a choice if he doesn't want to end up living under the gardener.....or something to that effect. I wonder if DM was working for a criminal cartel that had him under the gun so to speak with regard to meeting a quota. A criminal cartel may have been attracted to someone like DM given he owns an airport hangar, has a helicopter and a pilots license to boot and an excuse to be in Mexico re the Baja races. Maybe they met some individuals in Mexico that took him and his friends under their wing..in a bad way. Who knows what was going out of that airport in Breslau. Of course this is speculation and my opinion but I don't think it is as simple as a "thrill kill". AM and the others testifying may want people to believe that for a whole lot of other reasons.

As far as DM's finances and his perception of them, it's a tough read. On one hand he dishes out $22,000 on the Eliminator, but doesn't pursue a business. He blows money on parties and drugs for folks so he can have friends. He spends around $15,000/month on keeping his toys operational. He goes on thieving missions, but we have not heard of him selling them.

We have heard several text messages that show he is aware that he has an unsustainable lifestyle based on his current income. Yet he claimed in his T-Star interview that he is careful with his spending, and even shops at Costco.

What is obvious is that whatever he manages to get in his possession, he is not willing to let go of to help manage his cash flow. I would assume just the insurance on his properties and vehicle collection would be a hefty amount.

He says he wants a Diesel truck to cut down on fuel costs, but most likely not only paid for his three amigos trip to the BAJA, but also their tattoos.

He goes in to real estate flipping, and hires JV and family to maintain his properties, but claims he only breaks even.

We have no evidence if he was drug trafficking, even though we know MS supplied his neighborhood. I would assume he is, but it doesn't sound like he was making much by the amount of drugs in his possession.

I guess it all depends on the day, and which DM you are speaking with.


MOO

 

[Inspector_North]

http://www.popcenter.org/problems/export_stolen_vehicles/
Here is another article that may be of interest. This likely does not come as news to anyone but it is to me and I wonder again if A.M. saying they stole "for the thrill of it" is a way of trying to cover for something more extensive.

Yep! It's a common problem, and getting them out of the country is not a problem.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/640-charges-laid-in-alleged-high-end-vehicle-theft-ring-1.2696347

 

[brightii]

When I put out my thought, I had clearly in mind the relationship between MB & RB...brother and sister.....raised in the same family...similar values, well educated, succesful careers etc. Siblings who at one time had a relationship strong enough that RB stepped up to the plate more than once to help out as a nurturing adult or parental figure for DM off and on between the ages of 2 through to 15 or thereabouts.
RB obviously felt something for his nephew and not for just a long weekend ! A close relationship with a niece or nephew spanning an extended period during a child's formative years is more than the casual relationship that exists in most extended families.
That kind of relationship is not extinguished overnight....caring adults do not abandon their charges lightly even when the going gets rough.
I can only guess that there came a time when RB recognized his investment of time and caring was having little or no impact on his nephew...and it may have gone so far as to jeopardize the well being of his own children. I rather think that RB was compelled to take off the blinders regarding DM......In the end, I do not believe that the RB cared less for his nephew but he would not shy away from the clear line in the sand that DM brought about by his own horrific behaviour.
I am sorry but I don't think the parent-child bond buys MB a pass on doing what is the right thing ......

bbm

I agree with much of what you say, and say well, IMO. Where I disagree, is that I do think there is a vast difference between the love between mother and son when compared to uncle and nephew, in most cases, and including this one, IMO. I see too that my opinion on that point has not convinced you and perhaps others as well, and I respect that, but it is nonetheless the truth of how I still feel, IMO.

I agree that RB did the most honourable and admirable thing when he testified honestly about DM, and I said as much at the time, as it was unexpected and refreshing to witness, IMO. While difficult no doubt, I don't think it would be nearly as difficult for RB to have testified against DM as it would be for MB because RB will still enjoy his relationships with his own children, IMO, whereas if MB testifies against DM, IMO she would risk losing her relationship with her only son, IMO. I do imagine RB's testimony may have caused a huge rift between himself and MB, IMO, but who knows how close RB's and MB's relationship is or was over the years? I don't know the answer to that. While tainted by the situation, RB, IMO, will go on with his life and will not be forever grieving the loss of his relationship with DM, IMO, as opposed to MB who I imagine most certainly would, IMO.

If you read my original post #151, I was wondering and asking questions about the possibility that MB may testify, IMO. I said clearly that I hope MB if asked to testify as a Crown witness would do the right thing for all the right reasons, IMO. I expressed empathy for her as a mother facing a horrible situation, IMO, one that I as a mother cannot imagine having to face, IMO. If it is true, as has been suggested by others, that MB is a lousy mother and a terrible person interested only in protecting her son and her own interests at all costs, and without any consideration for the hurt that causes to TB's family, then I would agree that she is not worthy of my empathy, as she would be every bit as cruel and as calculating as DM, IMO. Could it be though that MB has for too long a time been successfully manipulated by DM that she cannot lift the veil of denial to see clearly, even after all this time, and despite the evidence against him? Who knows what DM and his cohorts have told her about this crime? I don't know what she thinks or believes about DM, but whatever it is, I'm not looking to make excuses for her, rather in my first post I was asking if it's possible that she's finally had some sort of epiphany and will be prepared now to not only accept the truth about DM, but to testify to it, IMO. I don't know.

Ms. Sherlock began her post on this topic by saying that she may be the biggest sap on this forum, but maybe my motherly expression of empathy for MB means it's me, IMO.

As for the last line of your post, bbm, I agree 100%. While I do hope MB does indeed do the right thing, it does not discount IMO how very hard a thing to do it would be, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[mimimic]

Any particular reason?

Also, welcome new members.

Having been on the edge of my seat for the past week closing in on possible big news this week, makes me feel like there maybe something new to hear that i won't be able to handle. Just hoping something bigger and more vile then a quick death didn't happen. I just felt afraid this weekend about a surprise happening and not wanting to hear of it. Thinking more about how these two could actually do something like this is so hard to comprehend. All along it hasn't felt real - but in the dark this weekend it felt so real I hurt for Tim at the time and his whole family now. (so much i just wanted to stop listening)

 

[hellkat2]

Yep! It's a common problem, and getting them out of the country is not a problem.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/640-charges-laid-in-alleged-high-end-vehicle-theft-ring-1.2696347

Did not hear about this car theft ring. Thanks for the URL. I wonder if DM was given some major front money by a similar cartel and was under pressure to produce. I guess time will tell. I guess if I am thinking along these lines others and by others I mean the criminal and legal system have been there for awhile.

 

[mimimic]

BTW i also apologize for a couple of my past posts (like i said i am not a gifted writer) although sometimes i feel like if someone has a brainstorm that someone else can build on that is good. i do know full well that if there were many like me on the postings, it would tend to lack the sound of full intellectual discussions that this site possesses - so thanks for letting me think i am contributing. i truly admire many of your gifted minds.

 

[brightii]

BTW i also apologize for a couple of my past posts (like i said i am not a gifted writer) although sometimes i feel like if someone has a brainstorm that someone else can build on that is good. i do know full well that if there were many like me on the postings, it would tend to lack the sound of full intellectual discussions that this site possesses - so thanks for letting me think i am contributing. i truly admire many of your gifted minds.

You make great contributions to the discussion here, IMO, mimimic! Don't underestimate yourself! You can say in a few words what it takes me paragraphs to express and that I know is a gift, and one I only wish I possessed.

All MOO.

 

[Tealgrove]

I've been away on vacation in the U.S. Deep South (Alabama/Mississippi) for the past two weeks staying at a Lodge that did not have WiFi. Arrgh!!!!!! I actually bought a personal hotspot and tried to keep up however coverage was spotty. I'm so out of the loop now!!! At least I'm back in time for what I believe will be a huge week!

Thinking of the Bosma Family tonight. I think next week will be pretty tough.

 

[MsSherlock]

As far as DM's finances and his perception of them, it's a tough read. On one hand he dishes out $22,000 on the Eliminator, but doesn't pursue a business. He blows money on parties and drugs for folks so he can have friends. He spends around $15,000/month on keeping his toys operational. He goes on thieving missions, but we have not heard of him selling them.

We have heard several text messages that show he is aware that he has an unsustainable lifestyle based on his current income. Yet he claimed in his T-Star interview that he is careful with his spending, and even shops at Costco.

What is obvious is that whatever he manages to get in his possession, he is not willing to let go of to help manage his cash flow. I would assume just the insurance on his properties and vehicle collection would be a hefty amount.

He says he wants a Diesel truck to cut down on fuel costs, but most likely not only paid for his three amigos trip to the BAJA, but also their tattoos.

He goes in to real estate flipping, and hires JV and family to maintain his properties, but claims he only breaks even.

We have no evidence if he was drug trafficking, even though we know MS supplied his neighborhood. I would assume he is, but it doesn't sound like he was making much by the amount of drugs in his possession.

I guess it all depends on the day, and which DM you are speaking with.


MOO

If DM was part of organized crime, then he was the most stupid recruit they could have found. Maybe he fancied himself as being a drug kingpin or perhaps the head of a big auto theft ring, but IMHO, DM lacked absolutely everything from motivation, organization and intelligence to be successful and go undetected. I think putting him in the same bracket as professional auto thieves is an insult to the auto thieves. Those guys actually steal Porches and have them on a boat before the owner wakes up in the morning. The key here is "the owner wakes up"- as compared to being murdered. As Sachak pointed out, DM was the loser of the loser class at the 2011 Baja. IMHO, DM stole because he liked it- he murdered and incinerated because he liked it. The only thing he's been successful at is being the sickest, most enabled, well funded psychopath the area has seen in decades. MOO