Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #12

[EspressoBean]

Is the only reason MB was not also charged with Accessory After because she didn't apparently didn't do the actual wiping down of the trailer? (Sorry Sleuthers, I have a million questions this morning!)

According the testimony, wiping the trailer was to wipe their own prints off not to cover up for the actual person who committed the crime so that is not related to an accessory charge.
It's not considered being an accessory to simply have knowledge a crime has been committed.

 

[MorningStar22]

According the testimony, wiping the trailer was to wipe their own prints off not to cover up for the actual person who committed the crime so that is not related to an accessory charge.

Ah, I was under the impression that this action was part of her charge...

 

[RandomName479]

I don't agree. It has nothing to do with her continued loyalty to him. She is loyal to herself. All of her statements and memory lapses are regarding her own knowledge and involvement in the crime. JMO

agree to disagree I think if she had been forthcoming with LE she wouldn't be charged.....IMO it's her continued loyalty to DM that has her facing accessory after the fact charges....

ETA - i could be wrong.....because i tend to agree with most of your other posts.....would be interesting to see their dynamic in the court room.....

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

According the testimony, wiping the trailer was to wipe their own prints off not to cover up for the actual person who committed the crime so that is not related to an accessory charge.
It's not considered being an accessory to simply have knowledge a crime has been committed.

But is it not a crime to KNOWINGLY harbour evidence in a criminal investigation and not come forward to LE?

 

[EspressoBean]

I don't believe CN was that ignorant to DM's love affairs. I think she was well aware. She has said that they were together since 2010, when it is known that he was engaged to someone else in May 2011 and continued some relationship with this person even after the engagement was broken. It is known that he had an intimate relationship with LB in 2012. I believe she was very much aware. These were not things he seemed to care to keep secret. I am tending to believe she is feigning a good act of this naive love struck young girl who DM was taking advantage of and cheating on but she was fare more aware and accepting of DM's actions than she is demonstrating. Or maybe she just can't remember......
JMO

 

[EspressoBean]

But is it not a crime to KNOWINGLY harbour evidence in a criminal investigation and not come forward to LE?

They would say they didn't actually know it was evidence. Just knowing the evidence was there but to take no action, I don't think could be considered accessory.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

I don't believe CN was that ignorant to DM's love affairs. I think she was well aware. She has said that they were together since 2010, when it is known that he was engaged to someone else in May 2011 and continued some relationship with this person even after the engagement was broken. It is known that he had an intimate relationship with LB in 2012. I believe she was very much aware. These were not things he seemed to care to keep secret. I am tending to believe she is feigning a good act of this naive love struck young girl who DM was taking advantage of and cheating on but she was fare more aware and accepting of DM's actions than she is demonstrating. Or maybe she just can't remember......
JMO

She clearly knew of LB, since had joined the "Help Find Laura" page on FB. She's just lucky people aren't joining a "Help Find Christina" FB page right now!

I also wonder if DM didn't have her involved in some 3-way relationships with his other women. Would well be within their adventure realm, and he did name her "kinks".

 

[EspressoBean]

agree to disagree I think if she had been forthcoming with LE she wouldn't be charged.....IMO it's her continued loyalty to DM that has her facing accessory after the fact charges....

ETA - i could be wrong.....because i tend to agree with most of your other posts.....would be interesting to see their dynamic in the court room.....

I am not disagreeing that she might have been loyal to him for quite some time after he was arrested. And I completely agree that I think she would have been treated differently if she had shown cooperation. But I don't agree that she is still loyal to him. I think she is now needing to protect herself. Her testimony has not been casting DM in a good light but it has been protecting herself. Seeing their dynamic in the court room has been much less interesting than I thought it would be. JMO

 

[Nosey Parker]

Wiping her own prints isn't helping Millard at all. Now if she said they went back to wipe Dell's prints from the locks....

See what they did there

Indeed. Why would MB care if her prints were on the trailer that suddenly appeared in her own driveway. She has cute little texts to her son asking why it was there. This was CN's idea, to remove hers and DM's without even telling MB that was the intent. However, I do get the impression that MB cares more about the 'famous' (now infamous) name of Millard and MillardAir, and the financial benefits, than anything else.

 

[Tealgrove]

agree to disagree I think if she had been forthcoming with LE she wouldn't be charged.....IMO it's her continued loyalty to DM that has her facing accessory after the fact charges....

ETA - i could be wrong.....because i tend to agree with most of your other posts.....would be interesting to see their dynamic in the court room.....

BBM

I agree wholeheartedly that had CN co-operated with LE she wouldn't be in the trouble she is facing now. I also believe she got bad legal advice. I understand CN contacting a lawyer because I probably would have too, however I would have contacted police about the trailer that got moved, the activity at the Farm and told about the DVD player. I would have handed it all over.

Stupid girl. I don't know what kind of time she's facing but she put herself out there for a manipulative, murdering that was not exclusive to her and was just a jerk. It has always been all about him and always will.

Tell the truth. The truth will set you free!

 

[EspressoBean]

She clearly knew of LB, since had joined the "Help Find Laura" page on FB. She's just lucky people aren't joining a "Help Find Christina" FB page right now!

I also wonder if DM didn't have her involved in some 3-way relationships with his other women. Would well be within their adventure realm, and he did name her "kinks".

I think it's quite likely.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

They would say they didn't actually know it was evidence. Just knowing the evidence was there but to take no action, I don't think could be considered accessory.

I think the fact CN admitted they suspected the truck was in the trailer, and that they were wiping prints off of it, is enough to deem it "knowing" that they had evidence that LE would have wanted. If they did not consider it evidence, why wipe prints?

That said, I still don't know the law around being aware of evidence and not coming forward. Anyone?

 

[EspressoBean]

Indeed. Why would MB care if her prints were on the trailer that suddenly appeared in her own driveway. She has cute little texts to her son asking why it was there. This was CN's idea, to remove hers and DM's without even telling MB. However, I do get the impression that MB cares more about the 'famous' (now infamous) name of Millard and MillardAir, and the financial benefits than anything else.

I think her concern could be that that her prints were all over the locks on all of the doors. And it would make it hard to claim innocence and that she didn't think anything of this trailer parked in her driveway if her prints were trying all of the locks. moo

 

[EspressoBean]

I think the fact CN admitted they suspected the truck was in the trailer, and that they were wiping prints off of it, is enough to deem it "knowing" that they had evidence that LE would have wanted. If they did not consider it evidence, why wipe prints?

That said, I still don't know the law around being aware of evidence and not coming forward. Anyone?

If MB had been charged, I am sure the story would have changed.
I don't know the laws around evidence. I do know that an accessory charge needs to meet some conditions including knowledge of the crime and actions taken to help the person escape justice. If she had attempted to conceal the trailer, that would have changed things.

 

[Mikala]

ThinKing out loud. .....Millard would have been permitted to make phone call (s) when taken into custody. Perhaps someone knows the procedures for that.

 

[EspressoBean]

ThinKing out loud. .....Millard would have been permitted to make phone call (s) when taken into custody. Perhaps someone knows the procedures for that.

I'm not entirely sure but he would be permitted to phone a lawyer as soon as he requested this.

 

[Errrr]

At this point in the trial

I am 100% sure that shooting TB in the truck was unplanned.
I am 50% sure that DM pulled the trigger. This is based on his letters, since they seem to be for CN's eyes only
I am 80% sure that MS pulled the trigger. This based on how the "F%^$%% up" comments align, both BD's testimony and DM's letters.

There is much evidence of both being at the test drive and at the hanger using the Eliminator. So both are guilty of many things. There is also some evidence that the planning for this mission was different than other missions we heard about.
1) No Lookouts
2) Items planned for the mission, Generator, gloves, tape, and change of clothes.

There is MM's testimony of the mood in the Yukon on the morning of the 7th. Still struggling with this one.

Hopefully we hear something that adds to the mission planning that shows it was a murder mission. MS sending pictures of fireside furniture and sausage frying just before the mission is still very troubling to me.

Because the location TB was shot (in the truck), and that I believe it was unplanned to shoot him there, I am struggling with robbery or planned murder. I didn't want to be here at this point in the trial. But that's me, and my belief in knowing truth over seeing two low life's like DM and MS get worse case guess based on their creepy and disgusting world.

If I allow my emotions to weigh in, both are 100% guilty of first degree.

MOO

Wait a minute. DMs letters align with MMs report to police because his lawyer is feeding him evidence so far. DM gets to spin this evidence in his favour. MM does not know what MS means by that comment. DMs letters are written after the damning comment is in evidence.

 

[Kamille]

not sure I understand why neither crown or defence brought up the breach and extra charges on MS for his contact with MM while she was on the stand....he was actually charged for it..so why was she not questioned?

I think that the contact MS initiated with MM was not in regards to this case (he probably already had discovery and knew what she'd said about this one) but rather to questions he was being asked by LE and/or his attorney about a couple of other cases. This was during the time period right before the other murder charge was added was it not?

MOO

 

[EspressoBean]

I agree that she is trying to protect herself but why is she still in contact with MB? Why continue that relationship if she really has moved on?

Do we know that she is still in contact with her since her arrest?
IF she is, I could understand that she remains in contact because they did get close only after DM was arrested and it might be helpful to have someone to talk to about it as she is facing this and her next trial.

 

[Kamille]

I like the part where CN (who btw wasn't following the case at all) see's the letter from D on a Facebook forum. DM then goes into damage control about how D is going to bring her friends to Court for support and that's why he should maintain contact with her. According to DM the Jury can be swayed by the number of supporters the accused has. :cheer:I sure hope that getting to trial didn't drag on to long and D and her supporters couldn't wait any longer. The sooner D and her supporters do their magic, AM changes "steal" to "buy" and "treacherous Mark" goes away for life, the sooner CN and him can set sail around the world on their baby making expedition. Chances are poor DM would return home from that trip single- crying to MB that CN fell overboard. Oh such tragedy. MOO

There were reports that DM smiled and acknowledged a woman in the gallery of the courtroom on more than one occasion early on. I wonder if that woman still comes to the court and if she is/was "Dee"?

I also wonder what fake facebook acct CN is using to access facebook information like Dee's letter. Or did she favour ABro's site for checking out what was going on when she was staying away from that "upsetting media" ?

MOO