Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #12

[Typhoo1961]

I just wonder why DM and MS haven't laid the blame on each other yet....or maybe they have and we will be hearing about that soon. Particularly after those letters I would think MS would be trying to cut a deal unless he really was the shooter.

DM has been blaming MS big time. In the letters to CN he wrote that he was the one who was "cleaning up Mark's mess".

 

[Georgeo]

Surely jury will see through all the defence tactics to blame "the other guy" and with AM testimony it was a planned theft, not a planned buy, how can jury not find them both guilty as charged of murder 1? Jury are people just like yes and surely aren't on the same wavelength as the two accused, so I hope we can count on them to not be swayed by the defence lawyers.

 

[MorningStar22]

DM has been blaming MS big time. In the letters to CN he wrote that he was the one who was "cleaning up Mark's mess".

Didn't he also mention that "Treacherous Mark" got himself arrested when he tried to pin it all on DM, or something to that effect? Do we know more details about this statement?

 

[MsSherlock]

He was also hitting up on MM.

Plus he had company on the little yacht trip he took in the summer of 2012. IIRC, the name(s) of his companions were not published.

 

[Dutchman]

Just a quick thought and maybe it was covered some where in another thread. But what ever happened to DM s man purse. SB said he had it on before the test drive. In the videoin the early morning at the hanger he is wearing it. Was there no blood evidence on it? Was it recovered? Even washing machines have difficulty removing those kind of stains.

 

[Errrr]

He was also hitting up on MM.

I doubt their two girls for every guy parties included girlfriends either. JMO

 

[Gibson67]

Didn't he also mention that "Treacherous Mark" got himself arrested when he tried to pin it all on DM, or something to that effect? Do we know more details about this statement?

interesting way he describes Mark as treacherous

treach·er·ous
ˈtreCH(&#601rəs/
adjective
guilty of or involving betrayal or deception.
"a treacherous Gestapo agent"
synonyms: traitorous, disloyal, faithless, unfaithful, duplicitous, deceitful, deceptive, false, backstabbing, double-crossing, double-dealing, two-faced, Janus-faced, weaselly, untrustworthy, unreliable;

so I am guessing DM stayed quiet but MS sang like a bird or tried to pin it on DM. So would DM get everything that Mark told LE in his disclosure?

 

[Dutchman]

Another quick thought he wore the sachet to the left like a left handed person would. Which might have protected it from blood. But anyone know if he's left handed? Would be easy to drive and get a shot off. Jmo easier than a right handed person, that is assuming he is driving....

 

[MorningStar22]

Another quick thought he wore the sachet to the left like a left handed person would. Which might have protected it from blood. But anyone know if he's left handed? Would be easy to drive and get a shot off. Jmo easier than a right handed person, that is assuming he is driving....

Apparently he is left-handed: "Like many left-handed people, his penmanship is more print than cursive, making his letters particularly legible." (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...y-treated-me-as-though-i-were-hannibal-lecter)

 

[deugirtni]

He was also hitting up on MM.

And those are the only ones that we have *heard* about, he was prob hitting on all of his friends' various girlfriends, among others. It doesn't surprise me that CN thought she was exclusive. She doesn't seem the brightest star in the sky. mho.

 

[deugirtni]

interesting way he describes Mark as treacherous

treach·er·ous
ˈtreCH(&#601rəs/
adjective
guilty of or involving betrayal or deception.
"a treacherous Gestapo agent"
synonyms: traitorous, disloyal, faithless, unfaithful, duplicitous, deceitful, deceptive, false, backstabbing, double-crossing, double-dealing, two-faced, Janus-faced, weaselly, untrustworthy, unreliable;

so I am guessing DM stayed quiet but MS sang like a bird or tried to pin it on DM. So would DM get everything that Mark told LE in his disclosure?

Personally, I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the reliability of DM's words to his gf (or anyone for that matter), he seems a tad on the devious, manipulative, looking-out-for-himself side, imho.

 

[deugirtni]

Just a quick thought and maybe it was covered some where in another thread. But what ever happened to DM s man purse. SB said he had it on before the test drive. In the videoin the early morning at the hanger he is wearing it. Was there no blood evidence on it? Was it recovered? Even washing machines have difficulty removing those kind of stains.

From memory, I believe SB couldn't recall either of the accuseds wearing a purse, nor a backpack. Neither could the tenant. Doesn't mean they weren't, but there is no evidence of that. Also, DM's purse could have been left in the Yukon and retrieved when they stopped to let MS out to drive the Yukon? moo

 

[hopingforjustice]

Yep, MB and CN didn't bother to report the suspicious trailer as soon as they were told he'd been arrested. Must have been notified by phone IMO. Truck sat there for another 2 days even though they'd been told "theft of truck."

Yes..not a crime to know about a crime! So if our judicial system held those in "the know" more accountable, it would sure make a difference in our court process. Just look at this trial as a prime example. It is the poster child to defend a new law. If SS, AM, MB, to name just a few would know they were facing jail time for not reporting what they knew...it would be a whole different world. jmo

 

[don_quixote]

IMO, Noudga wanted to cooperate with police, but her offer was rejected. Accessory to murder is a life sentence with no parole for 7 years. She wanted to get out of this and “betray” Millard. I find this the most likely explanation for the fact that she kept the DVR and the letters. Otherwise, it's just plain stupid.


Seems, in desperation she informed the police that she has more than just recollections. How else would police be able to get the search warrant? They'd need to convince the judge that not only she had evidence to start with, but also preserved the evidence for almost a year.


Which, in turn, means that there is more evidence against her. They need to demostrate that she knew about the crime and that she positively contrbuted to DM's attempt to escape. Otherwise, they'd let her cooperate. Although, her trial may have another purpose – to bring DM and/or MS to the stand. That could lead to the ultimate closure.


After she found she's going to the trial, she realized her prospects in life changed substantially. From being a little princess, she turned into a felon. Hence, all the red shoes and private photos to appeal to DM. Parole in 7 years, get inseminated by DM, manage whatever assets are left after Bosma's civil lawsuit. DM will be willing. Who else will carry his psychopathic DNA into the future?


Possibly, she is the one who took the gun from Smich but deemed the gun way too hot and hid it elsewhere or destroyed.

 

[Arnie M]

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Court question if anyone knows the answer ...... the crown has provided us (the public) with a list of their witnesses ...... does the defense also have to provide their list ? thanks.

 

[deugirtni]

The murder charge was explicitly linked to the forcible confinement in the announcement of the discovery of Tim and the upgraded charges. The officer made that clear just after 7:30 in this clip:


[video=youtu;fk1Zkrxs348]http://youtu.be/fk1Zkrxs348[/video]

As the investigation developed they have also been able to make a case for premeditation. It will be interesting to hear if and how the jury is instructed with reagard to finding forcible confinement. The above clip seems to makes a case for it surprisingly broadly.

Yes, will be very interesting to see how the jury is instructed by the judge on that, and whether it is given to them in two ways, both forcible confinement, and/or premeditated murder, or just one or the other.

 

[don_quixote]

One detail about the beginning of the test drive is the swerve as they were leaving the drive way. Is that when MS started strangling Tim Bosma and Tim grabbed and pulled on the wheel? DM is an experienced driver, and he was just driving off in a new vehicle, on a private driveway. What could be the other reason to swerve?


Another Q is that the cremation process even in stationary crematoriums does not disintegrate bones. The bones found in the incinerator were not removed due to sloppy job. There must be other bones. Where are they? Likewise, Laura Babcock's bones might be burried some place on the farm. The police is not saying whether they found the body or not. They'll have to disclose what they have regardless. Could it be that they found female bones but can't link them to Laura with certainty. Is that why the excavator was out in the swamp?

 

[don_quixote]

Only the prosecution must disclose the information, what is going to be presented in the case. I am not a criminal lawyer, but I guess the defense would state how many witnesses and/or how much time they require to state their case. Disclosing the list of witnesses could be harmful for defense.

 

[swedie]

When considering forcible confinement, think comparatively of it being very similar to an abduction of a child.

Example: A paedophile approaches a child and offers to give the child a ride home in their vehicle. But the perv's has no plan of taking the child home. Instead the perv is going to sexually assault the child. The child gets into the perv's vehicle believing and trusting in the perv that they will be taken home unharmed. The perv does not take the child home and sexually assaults the child. The perv faces a charge of abduction....and sexual assault.

In TB's case, he got into his truck with DM and MS with the assumption they were going on a test drive hoping to sell his truck. DM and MS knew their intent was not to buy TB's truck, but to steal it. The charge is forcible confinement....

Which brings me to ponder why MS was not also charged with FC. His intention of going with DM was to help DM steal TB's truck. BUT perhaps MS told DM he would only assist DM in the theft by driving the Yukon only. Any of the "dirty" work (restraining or physical force) MS said he wanted no part of it. This is why I believe DM was charged with FC, because DM was alone with TB in his truck, DM wouldn't or didn't allow him to leave before shooting him.

IMO I do think the murder happened near the Bobcat dealership and that would go to prove MS wasn't in the truck when TB was shot, as MS was tailing behind in the Yukon when the two bangs were heard on the video. IIRC the two bangs were heard as both trucks were moving and came into camera range. MS is charged with murder because DM and MS planned the theft together and the outcome ended up in murder.

For the purposes of this report, the term "forcible confinement" also includes the offence of "kidnapping".2 Kidnapping is similar to forcible confinement in that a person is held against their will, but it also involves the act of transporting the victim from one place to another. It is not possible to distinguish between these two offences from the data reported by police services; however, information from adult criminal courts shows the vast majority (94%) to be forcible confinement.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2009001/article/10781-eng.htm

Which also brings me to another theory...if TB was shot near the Bobcat dealership, they then moved TB into the bed of his truck (blood found there using red lights). TB didn't lose a large amount of blood on the passenger seat, leaving DM thinking he could wash the blood from the seat at Riverside (after the seats were removed). Explains why the bucket and detergent found in the back of the Yukon, the questioning of the of JV re: keys for Riverside and the interest in bathroom in apartment #2.

I can see MS taking the stand in his own defence and I can almost see MS getting second degree IF he takes the stand and tells his version of what happened that horrific night TB was murdered.

ALL MOO.

 

[Errrr]

And those are the only ones that we have *heard* about, he was prob hitting on all of his friends' various girlfriends, among others. It doesn't surprise me that CN thought she was exclusive. She doesn't seem the brightest star in the sky. mho.

Just because she said it doesn't make it true. IMO any information she gave was supplied for self serving reasons. My suspicion is these women were very competitive for DMs attention.