Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #14

[Tilly23]

Yes exactly, which makes me wonder why MS would need anyone to pressure him to get rid of what he testified to that he thought was the murder weapon that DM used and then laid on MS to frame him? Being pressured by others suggests to me that MS was resistant about getting rid of the gun. It would make more sense to me that MS would want to get rid of that gun and no one would have had to pressure him to do so unless he actually wanted to keep it for some reason.

All MOO.

Maybe he really did want to get rid of it, but was very anxious about how exactly to go about doing that? We heard that he was getting more anxious and paranoid and was worried that DM was trying to frame him. Also, depending on the original source of the gun, and who knew he had it, he might have been unsure about whether it was a wiser move to keep it? Or at least be able to get it back? I can imagine some cognitive dissonance and angst over what to do.

I thought it was interesting that his sister and Arthur's mom seemed to know he had something they thought he should get rid of. Made me wonder just what specifics did they know?

MOO.

 

[Typhoo1961]

Lol, someone questioned CN on her ankle bracelet (the ballgame pic) Looks like she doesn't need to have a chaperone or wear her anklet anymore. I assumed she'd have these stipulations untill her trial?

I saw that too. How is that little B getting away with that?

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

Yes, and the judge was supposed to announce his decision on the case in late March. We do not know whether he did so, and if he did, what the decision was, because everything is under a publication ban. So while we know that a trial in the LB case is planned (at least, as of now), we do not know whether the same is true in the WM case.

My bet is on there having been a decision made, but the announcement postponed until after this trial is complete.

Thank you very much for pointing this out ... I wasn't aware of that. I knew that the prelim had started, and was to last for about 3 days, but could never find an article that said the prelim was finished.
Will google some more to read about it.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Is all this yelling at the place in the video where they pulled over? The place with the "two bangs?" If so, then BS. No voices heard in the video. Unless the voices were removed from the video for some reason.

Accordingly to the testimony for this evidence, the cameras audio seemed to be compromised by fans or something.

 

[JuneBug67]

How many bangs did you hear at Bobcat?
If you didn't hear bangs then why not??

DM would have had his ears severely damaged for some time if he did the shooting in the closed truck. Although he communicated with you?

Did Pedo react when he heard bangs?

Why did DM throw out TB's phone at Kemira (1) but wiped it at Bobcat (2), what do you think?

At the farm Dellen told you to go with Pedo and look whether someone had followed you. What would you have done if indeed someone had followed??
Why didn't DM need your help to carry TB out of the truck onto the "sheet" when he after all needed your help later on?
Where had the sheet been until then and for what purpose did DM it use before?

How long did it last to burn the "evidence" at the farm? How long did it last to cool the seat frame down? How did you transport the seat frame??

The frame of the front seats was in the hangar and "DM had forgotten" to load it into the trailer. You had a painful injured arm that night. How were you able to carry the seat frame with DM? How did you both DM/MS carry it exactly? (Tarp or no tarp?)

DM's ears ringing could be a reason he was talking loudly. Doubt MS would be quick enough on his feet for that answer though!

 

[hellkat2]

if there were two guns it would explain smich's amnesia about where he buried them. If it were just millard's gun buried, he'd actually be helping himself by telling le where they were. If there are two guns there, his story goes to crap if he tells le where to find them.

bingo

 

[hellkat2]

This makes me think if they were just going to scope out a vehicle to steal it then why didn't they go back and take igors newer model? His testimony stated they knew how to steal it without the driver. What was stopping them? They could have gone back late at night and ripped it off. I now call bs on the testimony I do believe Millard might have been alone while the shooting occurred but you don't need to be feeling that good to be a look out and drive

I think it is likely that they were planning on stealing both of them and they started with TB's.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

Where they stopped at the bobcat dealership is very close to the 403 exit. It is a very risky spot to stop given someone could come off the highway and be on you fairly quickly.

There's also a bunch of better spots to throw the phone (train tracks between bobcat and where the phone was found). Although if done while driving they probably just didn't take into account the forward momentum from the vehicle.

But those decisions do point to terrible planning.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

I will also add if they had failed on previous attempts at stealing these types of trucks why did they think this time would be different if the plan was the same.

 

[flipflop]

AM new tat is kinda disturbing to me.... Shudder

I thought so too. AM was a good friend of LB, this is how LB and DM met, no?
Not sure why you would want a full sleeve of a deceased murdered girl, whom one of your best friends murdered.
This story will visibly be with him, after the court case is done, would you not want to distance yourself from it?

 

[brightii]

Maybe he really did want to get rid of it, but was very anxious about how exactly to go about doing that? We heard that he was getting more anxious and paranoid and was worried that DM was trying to frame him. Also, depending on the original source of the gun, and who knew he had it, he might have been unsure about whether it was a wiser move to keep it? Or at least be able to get it back? I can imagine some cognitive dissonance and angst over what to do.

I thought it was interesting that his sister and Arthur's mom seemed to know he had something they thought he should get rid of. Made me wonder just what specifics did they know?

MOO.

Great questions! I wish we had more answers.

Apparently AM told MH that DM would want MS to have the toolbox even though DM instructed MH to hold onto the toolbox. I wonder what happened after DM's arrest that led AM to make that decision? i would love to know what the "lies told"' were, as per MH's testimony, that led to MH and AM falling out as friends?

If none of the three (AM, MH, MS) knew that the toolbox had a gun (or 2 guns) inside, I wonder why MS would not have called AM back when he discovered to his alleged surprise that the toolbox had a gun inside of it? We know AM and MS were communicating by phone at that time. Wouldn't it seem reasonable that MS would tell AM that there was some kind of mistake and ask him to take back the toolbox to MH and hold onto to it for DM? MS would not necessarily have had to discuss what he found inside of it. I wonder if any conversations about the toolbox and/or its contents happened between MS and AM after MS had possession of it? Perhaps MS thought AM and/or MH were in on the plan with DM to frame MS? Or perhaps MS thought they knew there was a gun (or 2 guns) inside the toolbox and that DM told them that they belonged to MS and they believed DM? So many possible scenarios.

All MOO.

 

[canadiangirl]

I thought so too. AM was a good friend of LB, this is how LB and DM met, no?
Not sure why you would want a full sleeve of a deceased murdered girl, whom one of your best friends murdered.
This story will visibly be with him, after the court case is done, would you not want to distance yourself from it?

Yes but on Instagram... It's also a skull burning with flames!

 

[flipflop]

Lol, someone questioned CN on her ankle bracelet (the ballgame pic) Looks like she doesn't need to have a chaperone or wear her anklet anymore. I assumed she'd have these stipulations untill her trial?

She was not truthful on the stand in the court of law, so not sure I believe what she says on social media!!!

 

[flipflop]

Yes but on Instagram... It's also a skull burning with flames!

We are talking about 2 different tats here, I was referring to the one that resembles LB on his upper right arm.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

She was not truthful on the stand in the court of law, so not sure I believe what she says on social media!!!

On Thursday CN seems to have visited a concert of "Brian Jonestown Massacre" - don't know if mum was also present?

 

[hellkat2]

Somebody made the point weeks ago that trying them together was not fair to MS. I replied at the time that I thought it was hugely beneficial to him for just that reason. Comparatively speaking, he not a psychopath you want to punch in the face over and over again!

Grinding his face into the gravel until he confesses to the truth might work but but if punching in face over and over again works....have at him. A psychopath is a psychopath. No comparatively speaking when it comes to these two.

 

[canadiangirl]

We are talking about 2 different tats here, I was referring to the one that resembles LB on his upper right arm.

Yes but there's a new one too. I agree with the LB one. The next one is creepy too!

 

[brightii]

What got me interested in this trial in the first place was the shocking murder of an innocent and unsuspecting victim, TB, who was so callously and randomly selected. TB had simply placed an ad online to sell his truck. I've purchased a car from using an online site. Haven't many of us? What happened to TB is bloodcurdingly horrific! TB was not merely robbed of his truck but his very precious life, and because of the devils who killed him for a truck or for kicks or for whatever sick reason, and then also incinerated his body, TB's family were robbed of him forever and even robbed of the vast majority of his remains!

As the trial continues, I am trying to keep these truths uppermost in my mind because what happened to TB and his family could have happened to my son and our family, it could have happened to anyone and that thought chills me to the depths of my soul. The real victim in this trial must never be forgotten, IMO.

I do feel compassion for young people who are led astray from the straight and narrow path and find themselves lost in the mire of a criminal lifestyle, as there are often unfortunate circumstances and life histories that make them susceptible to choosing such a dark road that leads to self-destruction, but most people with tragic childhoods, mental health or addiction issues etc. don't make the choice to victimize others, IMO. People can rise above circumstances if willing and with help, IMO.

DM especially had so many other opportunities to pursue had he chosen to create for himself a promising future, IMO. And even MS, who with help from the corrections system has demonstrated that he too was capable of leading a more productive life and able to create a more hopeful future for himself had he chosen to do this before, IMO. I think both DM and MS were young adults who had taken no responsibility for themselves and chose to live by their own rules and avoided accountability at all costs. Now they are each in a dire situation but the dismal future that is sadly facing each of them is IMO a future of their own making. Will DM and MS one day realize that by heartlessly robbing TB of his promising future, they also robbed themselves of their own?

All MOO.

 

[Elisabeth]

Yes but there's a new one too. I agree with the LB one. The next one is creepy too!

has he tattooed over the the baja racing one?

 

[flipflop]

has he tattooed over the the baja racing one?

Baja tat is on his left upper arm