Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #16

[NoodlesMcgee]

Or SB a WB just didn't notice the murse?

If we are going to disregard or assume that every piece of testimony against MS is a mistake or a misunderstanding then it's going to be impossible to find him guilty.

 

[Claroon]

Ok so if you're "sitting fireside", watching a fire, on "fireside furniture" with "sausages", (in a frying pan) is that done at an industrial hangar where the incineration took place? Seems completely out of place to me. JMO.

Seems to me, if the burn was at the farm as perhaps was the original plan, it was perfectly in place.

 

[canadiangirl]

Seems to me, if the burn was at the farm as perhaps was the original plan, it was perfectly in place.

We don't know the original plan. But again back to a text messages sealing someone's fate.

 

[Arnie M]

But that still wouldn't clear him as we all discussed. Everyone has him guilty based on premeditation with some text messages.

That's what the 25 years are for.

 

[canadiangirl]

The incinerator was at the farm to use but they had unexpected clean-up to do, hence the transport to the hangar. Killing him on the farm would not leave a big mess.

"unexpected clean up". Guess that COULD fit with according to MS "murder wasn't in the plan?"

 

[canadiangirl]

That could have happened as well but MS is doing nothing in the backseat and this would make more sense as MS in a postion where he could shoot TB in the back without him even seeing it coming. Why would DM want to try to bring risk to himself by driving and trying to shoot TB. I would think that if DM pulled the gun out the fight would be on and TB would attempt to defend himself.

I see your theory but the fact is we don't know.

 

[XiolaBlueX]

That could have happened as well but MS is doing nothing in the backseat and this would make more sense as MS in a postion where he could shoot TB in the back without him even seeing it coming. Why would DM want to try to bring risk to himself by driving and trying to shoot TB. I would think that if DM pulled the gun out the fight would be on and TB would attempt to defend himself.

Could this whole tragedy be a combination of both?
Example- MS using a belt/rope behind TB but not successfully subduing him, then DM shooting him dead spontaneously (or DM escalating the violence somehow quickly)when there's a struggle, hence 'Mark effed up a simple robbery' combined with "DM is a lunatic, nobody was supposed to die"
(Or even same scenario with both of them armed) IMO only

 

[canadiangirl]

That's what the 25 years are for.

If someone convicts a person based on a few text messages where the contents are unclear we'd better all get rid of our phones because society is in a lot of trouble.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

I am wondering if the following comes into play in this thread when discussing the evidence?

The CSI effect, also known as the CSI syndrome[1] and the CSI infection,[2] is any of several ways in which the exaggerated portrayal of forensic science on crime television shows such as CSI: Crime Scene Investigation influences public perception. The term most often refers to the belief that jurors have come to demand more forensic evidence in criminal trials, thereby raising the effective standard of proof for prosecutors. While this belief is widely held among American legal professionals, some studies have suggested that crime shows are unlikely to cause such an effect, although frequent CSI viewers may place a lower value on circumstantial evidence.[3] As technology improves and becomes more prevalent throughout society, people may also develop higher expectations for the capabilities of forensic technology.[4]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI_effect

What are your thoughts?




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[Lexiintoronto]

By telling the truth of where the gun is now.

I typed the exact same response.

He could do it right this minute, anytime before the jury comes back with a verdict.

 

[Typhoo1961]

The incinerator was at the farm to use but they had unexpected clean-up to do, hence the transport to the hangar. Killing him on the farm would not leave a big mess.

They went to the hangar because the incinerator needs electricity to run the fans and there was no electricity at the farm.

 

[canadiangirl]

I typed the exact same response.

He could do it right this minute, anytime before the jury comes back with a verdict.

So if he gives the location of the gun it doesn't change a thing. Can someone please explain to me why giving up the gun would change a first degree charge? What does it prove?

 

[Typhoo1961]

There is what appears to me to be a container of Life Brand disinfecting wipes in the Yukon. IMO

Never noticed that. I'll have to go back and look at the photos again.

 

[Arnie M]

If someone convicts a person based on a few text messages where the contents are unclear we'd better all get rid of our phones because society is in a lot of trouble.

MS had 9 days on the witness stand to clear himself , he did not , and now he is in a lot of trouble.

 

[Claroon]

This has actually been quite interesting reading everyone's take now that the evidence is concluded. The one comment that stood out to me...and I apologize for not giving credit to the original poster...is, what differentiates the evidence against DM vs. MS as it pertains to premeditation? It seems to me that there wasn't anything that stood out to suggest that DM had planned to murder TB. We don't know who brought the gun, we don't know who was in the truck when TB was shot and we definitely do not know who pulled the trigger. For all the reasons people are stating they don't think MS knew the plan, these same reasons could be applied to DM, no? It would be the same for forcible confinement as well. Without knowing who brought the gun, who was in the truck, who pointed the gun....are they not both equally covered by reasonable doubt? I just don't see anything that DM said/did/texted that definitively shows differences between himself and MS. MOO

For the record I don't believe for a second that they both were not fully aware of the plan. One thing I think we can all agree on is that the two people who were involved in this are the two that are on trial. The question is what is the sentence. MOO

The way I see it is like there is a banana strawberry milkshake and two people are on video in the area it was made, and more or less admit involvement in making the milkshake. As to who put in the banana and who put in the strawberries, we don't know. We have text messages that prove they were meeting up to make the milkshake. As outsiders we see two culprits and the result--one mess of a milkshake. We know beyond reason it was them and only them that made it. Whose recipe was used, we know not. Who said when to stir, we know not.

If I were meeting my pal to make a milkshake, I'd probably ask where, when, what do I bring, what's the plan, what are we doing with it after, what if it doesn't turn out, what if we're caught midway, will we get dirty, do we need tools, etc.

 

[hellkat2]

If we are going to disregard or assume that every piece of testimony against MS is a mistake or a misunderstanding then it's going to be impossible to find him guilty.

Somewhere it said that DM washed his murse. The Russian guy mentioned it.

 

[canadiangirl]

MS had 9 days on the witness stand to clear himself , he did not , and now he is in a lot of trouble.

I guess we'll find out... I'm not looking to be right or to convince anyone of anything. I just don't see a first degree murder conviction. Maybe closing arguments will change that.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

So if he gives the location of the gun it doesn't change a thing. Can someone please explain to me why giving up the gun would change a first degree charge? What does it prove?

It gives his testimony credibility. If he's just up there lying about things, why do I believe anything he's saying?

 

[Claroon]

We have evidence that DM bought a gun. DM bought an incinerator. DM wanted a diesel Ram 3500 to take to Mexico. DM used a burner phone to arrange test drives. DM's fingerprints were on TB's truck. DM's DNA was found on gloves. (can't remember if DM's DNA was found with TB's.....anyone have the gloves link?) DM wrote letters asking CN to tamper with witnesses. None of these facts have been questioned by DM or his defense team. This is just off the top of my head.....MOO

DM had the line of credit to pay for these things. I don't doubt MS put in his 2 cents about what they needed, but it's clear MS would not be paying the bills.

 

[canadiangirl]

It gives his testimony credibility. If he's just up there lying about things, why do I believe anything he's saying?

And what if he said isho has it?