Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #16

[CJPRINCESS]

This is kind of where I've been since I saw the actual pics and the date/timeline. On the other hand, they were introduced into evidence for a reason, one assumes. I just don't know what that reason is since no one has commented on them. AFAIK even NS didn't ask Smich about them.

Jens pic was introduced into evidence, what does she have to do with it all? Besides being DM fiance.

 

[Arnie M]

And on the 8th, DM didn't know yet that he wouldn't be going to Baja, IIRC.

Yes , by then he had a truck , SS had modified an open trailer to haul the Jeep , and the medical kit was likely just another thing SS was instructed to shop for.

Not sure why it was offered in evidence , makes as much sense as the log furniture , must be some creative imaginations in the crown office or something.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Jens pic was introduced into evidence, what does she have to do with it all? Besides being DM fiance.

Was it? I guess I missed that day.

That seems weirder.

Edit: wait, was it maybe to demonstrate that DM had lots of women on the hook? e.g., goes to character?

 

[Miranda16]

At the time, it was considered a suicide so I don't see why the gun would be confiscated. The family has the right to the belonging. Unless it was unregistered/illegal, then maybe LE would take it. It wasn't until after DMs arrest for TB that they looked back on WB and LB cases as murder. JMO.

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Yes I'm assuming that WM was shot using an illegal handgun and that LE would confiscate it (though at the time they may not have investigated the source). The reason why I brought it up is because DM seems to have bought at least 2 hand guns. If one had not already been confiscated (or if he bought more than 2), then where did it go?
- could have been used on LB and disposed immediately - seems somewhat unlikely if DM thought he got away with it
- could have been in the toolbox (I.e. The 2 gun scenario) and the probable reason for MS's amnesia about the gun(s)

 

[ArianeEmory]

Yes , by then he had a truck , SS had modified an open trailer to haul the Jeep , and the medical kit was likely just another thing SS was instructed to shop for.

Not sure why it was offered in evidence , makes as much sense as the log furniture , must be some creative imaginations in the crown office or something.

Well, it WOULD be part of their "DM wanted to go to Baja really bad, bad enough to kill" narrative, in that case. Just not sure if it was pointed out as such.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Was it? I guess I missed that day.

That seems weirder.

Edit: wait, was it maybe to demonstrate that DM had lots of women on the hook? e.g., goes to character?

Well it's in Exhibit #144 with the wood furniture. Along with text messages of being mad and a headache.

 

[Arnie M]

I didn't either. The sausage photo looks like MS was cooking and sent DM the picture like when my oldest son sends me photos of his meals on Facebook.

Thanks for saying that .... I have thought the same

I have had family do that when I ask them what they are doing .... they send a picture of supper on the stove .... or a picture of the lawn mower ... no words used but the message is clear.

 

[JuneBug67]

I agree with everything you wrote. The BBM part...we have the same challenge with DM's texts as we do with MS'. We don't know if he was only planning on stealing the truck and, if successful, was going to be working all night to strip it and get it ready for a paint job/switch out vins etc. There's still nothing there to definitively say he premeditated a murder. In my mind, when you take all of the evidence together (prepping the incinerator, bring a change of clothes etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) it shows there was a lot of planning put into this. As I said, there is not doubt in my mind that this was planned and they both knew. My point (I think) is that if text messages of MS can be easily interpreted as meaning something less sinister, than we have to consider the same for DM. MOO

At this point I am going to wait for the closing arguments before trying to fit this into my head anymore than I have. I have a feeling the Crown's closing argument is going to tie their case together nicely while the Defense's closing arguments are going to be "My client didn't try to hide anything, everything was out in the open" and "My client told you on the stand that he didn't shoot Mr. Bosma" MOO

Totally agree and have made the point before that DM's "all nighter" text could plausibly relate to expected work on the truck. I'd make the point though that we're not really looking at DM and MS as individuals sending texts to whom we should apply the same standard, but as participants in series of exchanges. On the exchanges between MS and DM they stand or fall together; they're either both conspiring or they're both not. DM's exchange with CN does not include MS and either indicates premeditation or it doesn't. In an interpretation where it does, there is evidence that suggests MM had a different expectation so it supports the permutation where DM is guilty of premeditation alone. My point remains that the suggestion that if the texts don't implicate MS then they equally must not implicate DM making the whole thing a 50/50 crapshoot misses the fact that there are just more ways for Millard to be guilty of premeditation, supported as well by greater means, motive and opportunity.

 

[musicaljoke]

How could he prove he didn't use the gun other then to say he didn't?

If I walk into a gas station with a man, who, unknown to me, has a gun and shoots someone dead in my presence, it might look, at first glance, that he and I are associated. But, in the course of the investigation, there would be nothing to support that we were connected in any way. I would be simply an innocent bystander.

In MS's case, there is overwhelming proof that he was not merely an innocent bystander. He can't, and doesn't need to prove that he didn't fire the fatal shot.

 

[Tiggertoo]

The thing that solidifies MS guilt for me is that he didn't drive off in the Yukon and instead followed DM and helped him with clean up. Also, that he refuses to give up the location of the gun.
If he only intended on stealing the truck I think his memory would be much more clear. For someone who claims to be innocent he sure isn't doing much to help law enforcement.

 

[Inspector_North]

At the time, it was considered a suicide so I don't see why the gun would be confiscated. The family has the right to the belonging. Unless it was unregistered/illegal, then maybe LE would take it. It wasn't until after DMs arrest for TB that they looked back on WB and LB cases as murder. JMO.

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There is little information available about WM's death. Two pieces of information have leaked, and their accuracy cannot be confirmed.

1) WM was shot in the eye
2) MWJ sold the gun used to kill WM to DM.

We do know that WM was an animal rights advocate and flew Green Peace folks to remote areas with his helicopter. Odds are that he didn't own a gun. Even if he did, the gun would have been checked out by LE. Since it was initially concluded by LE that it was a suicide, they either didn't do their du diligence related to the gun, or didn't do a proper investigation as a whole. There is much grumbling on social media about both LB's and WM's investigations.

TB's murder changed all that, and I believe they turned up much evidence for these two cases while collecting and compiling evidence for this trial. Why else would they all of a sudden charge DM for WM's murder, and charge MWJ for selling DM the gun that killed his father a year of more after it happened. The gun was most likely untraceable unless you happen across text messages discussing the purchase transaction?

MOO

 

[canadiangirl]

Was it? I guess I missed that day.

That seems weirder.

Edit: wait, was it maybe to demonstrate that DM had lots of women on the hook? e.g., goes to character?

Yes it's shown in AH mob reporter. I found it off it was included

Agree it was probably shown to prove the women he was juggling.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Was it? I guess I missed that day.

That seems weirder.

Edit: wait, was it maybe to demonstrate that DM had lots of women on the hook? e.g., goes to character?

And there were other pics that could have been omitted but the Crown chose to enter. I remember people here questioning why they needed to post up sexy pics of MM that is was wrong. What did those sexy pictures have to do with the murder of TB?

IMO, alot of the "unrelated" pics were added because it was on the phones. Maybe stuff like the "fireside furniture" and the "trauma kit" are for WOW factor. Well the Crown certainly got the "Wow factor" from alot of people here.

 

[canadiangirl]

Ok, I thought there was a caption "fireside furniture"? So it was the media calling it that. There is a caption on the stools "would look good for parties at your house" and the DYS ladies name. I still don't see hidden messages there either. Sorry

The sausages in a pan is a "high 5", still don't see any hidden messages there (except a high 5). My hubby and his friends do that all the time with pics. Some go over my head and he has to explain them to me (unless there is a caption).

I don't read into the pics like the others do. Obviously a screenshot not a pic he took himself. And referenced it would look good for parties. The texts were also hours apart. 1110am fireside furniture and then 450pm sausages?

I'm the same, tons of people I know take food pics which have no meaning.

I guess people can put things wherever they look and make it look like something it's not. Funny how that happens.

 

[Juballee]

These were jumping out at me tonight. I want to believe MS didn't know, but i think he did. For those who think he didn't, why are you so sure DM didn't. I am not sure why everyone who thinks MS is not as guilty, thinks DM is the only one capable of this. They both played with real guns.

Thanks is for this post, this idea has been bothering me too. As I am sure many here know, I have been proposing that DM didn't know that MS brought a gun along, just like others are proposing that MS didn't know DM brought a gun. I'm not sure why one scenario is so outrageously preposterous and yet the identical situation with the players reversed is completely possible to some.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I have had family do that when I ask them what they are doing .... they send a picture of supper on the stove .... or a picture of the lawn mower ... no words used but the message is clear.

Exactly!!

 

[Typhoo1961]

I guess people can put things wherever they look and make it look like something it's not. Funny how that happens.

I post things innocently on my Facebook page all the time that gets this one friend of mine worried about me. I can't
recall how many times he has called me on the telephone to see if I am okay because he read something I posted on my FB page.
Just this morning I posted this ...............

"I know what I have to do now.
I gotta keep breathing.
Because tomorrow, the sun will rise.
Who knows what the tide could bring ?"



I'll probably hear from him this afternoon.
He worries too much and I've told him many times before he has
nothing to worry about.

 

[canadiangirl]

The thing that solidifies MS guilt for me is that he didn't drive off in the Yukon and instead followed DM and helped him with clean up. Also, that he refuses to give up the location of the gun.
If he only intended on stealing the truck I think his memory would be much more clear. For someone who claims to be innocent he sure isn't doing much to help law enforcement.

I'm not sure why everyone expects he should've driven away so that's the reason he's guilty. He was there when a murder happened. They are friends.

I would like someone to honestly tell me, and honestly put yourself in someone's shoes. Beyond a doubt, if your best friend killed someone, and you didn't know what was going on, there was chaos and they said, follow me. You'd drive off to the police alone? I'm not so sure. I'd likely call on the way, but his phone was dead let's assume. (we don't know if it was or wasn't)

I actually think it's possible an honest good person would follow their friend. (obviously MS is not honest or good which makes it more likely he'd follow) added to the fact he didn't know the area or drive much. IMO the person would talk to friend somewhere. THEN tell them to go to police. Or go with then to police or call them whatever. Contact LE.

Obviously the last part didn't happen because they decided to cover it up. But that isn't something I'd find so hard to believe as an uncommon reaction IMO.

And the gun well. If it wasn't his to begin with and DM took care of getting rid of it, then by the time he did get it, he'd be giving up isho with no help to his own case. Huge risk IMO with no pay off.

 

[canadiangirl]

I post things innocently on my Facebook page all the time that gets this one friend of mine worried about me. I can't
recall how many times he has called me on the telephone to see if I am okay because he read something I posted on my FB page.
Just this morning I posted this ...............

"I know what I have to do now.
I gotta keep breathing.
Because tomorrow, the sun will rise.
Who knows what the tide could bring ?"



I'll probably hear from him this afternoon.
He worries too much and I've told him many times before he has
nothing to worry about.

Funny enough I just posted on a friend's wall. "have a safe trip! Don't make me have to come bail you out!!"
I wonder what people would think that means? Lol

So if my friend commits a crime while she's away, I guess I'm in big trouble. I must know all about it.

 

[XiolaBlueX]

Of course. And there is so much story here that it plays like a movie so people expect all of this is "foreshadowing" and the real story will eventually be revealed as on a TV show. In the past, people have been put away with much much less evidence and certainly no DNA testing at the time.

...... As well as no text messages or cell phone records, cell phone tower records. It's crazy to think of how much info wouldn't be available. Except for DMs handwritten letters to CN. Way to go DM. He must be so mad that she kept everything for 'sentimental reasons'. Including the dvr footage!