Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #17 [06.03.16 to 06.09.16]

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  • #321
I would say that is still ambiguous.....but either way, IMO it is POSSIBLE that DM had the satchel at the Bosma's.

It is unfortunate if it was a mistweet on SC's part, that she didn't later correct it and note her error. I agree that it is definitely possible, and even probable that DM also had his satchel at the B residence. The only evidence provided in court was that DM did have it with him.

Is is possible for someone with a twitter account to ask SC if that was an error in her tweet?
 
  • #322
I don't see anything in those text messages about DM wanting anyone to contact Isho, only that MS was going to and wanted DM to.

DM texted MS at 4:46 am saying "retooled for stormy weather" and that he had an accounting meeting at 7:00 am. Then MS sends a series of messages that were deleted and couldn't be retrieved. Then at 9:36 am and 9:42 am, MS is texting asking how "everything goes with that there" and if DM can talk for a minute. DM replies at some point that he is in the accounting meeting and will call on his lunch break. Seems MS doesn't want to wait because he calls DM again at 11:18 am. At 11:42, DM texts that SS and AJ are busy and he hasn't talked to them yet. At 12:20, MS tells DM to check with Isho soon and that he was going to call him that day.

There is nothing there about any response from DM regarding Isho or whether he wanted to contact him. Maybe this was something that MS thought would be a good idea? (I'm not sure how one would go about making a dirty gun clean.)

JMO

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hb6kEtpLa8cHCVorBuy4yqfHymGvhfHeM6s8QMWGVW8/pubhtml

The fact that Millard doesn't say "why the hell did you call Isho?" indicates that at some point prior they had discussed it. Smich is telling Millard that he'd made contact, a status report if you will.

And you can't make a dirty gun clean. Truly, is there any such thing as a "clean" gun in Canada? Clean means that you can get stopped and your gun will check out in the US, in Canada that aint going to happen. Carrying any Isho purchased gun is a felony.
 
  • #323
DM was definitely wearing that satchel in the hangar video in the early morning hours of May 7, which was entered into evidence, so without a doubt he brought it with him that night, and could very well have worn it to the Bosmas, although there is no evidence of that at that particular time.

Just because SB and WDB couldn't recall seeing DM with it, it doesn't mean he wasn't wearing it then. The majority of people don't see/remember every detail about a person or what they're wearing, and hence eye witness accounts are not always factual, even though the eye witness is telling the truth of what they truly believed they saw.

Combine that with the fact that he washed it in the washing machine, when he and MS were rushing all over getting rid of evidence. I doubt he would have stopped to wash his satchel if it DIDN'T have incrimating potential. Why bother with such a trivial thing iunless it was a necessary thing? Also, IIRC, blood was found on the satchel, but not enough for testing purposes.

MOO


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Just so people know, when you are trying to wash blood out of fabric you need to use cold water so as to avoid lysing the cells (bursting them) because this causes haemoglobin to be released which is almoste impossible to remove from fabric. Blood has to be removed gently. Haemoglobin cannot be connected to any individual. It's not like DNA.
If DM had a holster he would probably have teholstered a gun. The only reason MS would have mentioned the satchel is because the prosecution made a deal of it and he wanted to match his defence with accepted evidence to enhance credibility. MOO
 
  • #324
I don't see anything in those text messages about DM wanting anyone to contact Isho, only that MS was going to and wanted DM to.

DM texted MS at 4:46 am saying "retooled for stormy weather" and that he had an accounting meeting at 7:00 am. Then MS sends a series of messages that were deleted and couldn't be retrieved. Then at 9:36 am and 9:42 am, MS is texting asking how "everything goes with that there" and if DM can talk for a minute. DM replies at some point that he is in the accounting meeting and will call on his lunch break. Seems MS doesn't want to wait because he calls DM again at 11:18 am. At 11:42, DM texts that SS and AJ are busy and he hasn't talked to them yet. At 12:20, MS tells DM to check with Isho soon and that he was going to call him that day.

There is nothing there about any response from DM regarding Isho or whether he wanted to contact him. Maybe this was something that MS thought would be a good idea? (I'm not sure how one would go about making a dirty gun clean.)

JMO

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hb6kEtpLa8cHCVorBuy4yqfHymGvhfHeM6s8QMWGVW8/pubhtml

The point I was trying to make regarding MS text to DM about contacting Isho is that just because DM didn't respond directly to that text doesn't mean a great deal, and also carries the possibility of inferring DM's acceptance that MS was following through with a plan they had discussed previously.

What also has potential meaning is that DM and MS talked together at some point during their numerous communications, and that MS texted to say he was contacting Isho ... Why tell that to DM out of the blue, so to speak, unless you knew that it had value to the person you were texting, i.e. that they had discussion about it previously.

As always, MOHO


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  • #325
Just so people know, when you are trying to wash blood out of fabric you need to use cold water so as to avoid lysing the cells (bursting them) because this causes haemoglobin to be released which is almoste impossible to remove from fabric. Blood has to be removed gently. Haemoglobin cannot be connected to any individual. It's not like DNA.
If DM had a holster he would probably have teholstered a gun. The only reason MS would have mentioned the satchel is because the prosecution made a deal of it and he wanted to match his defence with accepted evidence to enhance credibility. MOO

How was he hiding the holster? He wore a golf shirt and jeans.
 
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Description from TBs wife I believe. Also what he's wearing at the hangar.
SB wasn't sure if it was long sleeve or short IIRC and the video you sure can't tell. (or I can't). Regardless can a holster not be worn under one's clothing?
 
  • #329
That possibility would sure be easier to believe (that she was lying for him at this point) if she hadn't testified that the two men were all giddy when they picked her up on the morning of the 7th. moo
If I recall correctly, the first time MM mentioned the giddiness was 3 years later in 2016, not in her original statement(s)
Furthermore,it was not the most clear who she was referring to when I heard her refer to He (DM) being giddy but then IIRC it changed to they. It sounded 'wishy washy' to me when I heard them play the clip in court. She wasn't the clearest communicator in my opinion. Just saying......IMOO
 
  • #330
SB wasn't sure if it was long sleeve or short IIRC and the video you sure can't tell. (or I can't). Regardless can a holster not be worn under one's clothing?

Jumping in here.

Just trying to figure out, where did the orange long sleeve shirt come from? I've just read through SB and WB'S testimony and didn't see this but have heard it here on WS'S. Was it something from 3 years ago?

The only clothing description was for MS, jeans and hoodie.

ETA: Just watched the hanger video again and DM is definitely wearing a long sleeved shirt.
 
  • #331
Jumping in here.

Just trying to figure out, where did the orange long sleeve shirt come from? I've just read through SB and WB'S testimony and didn't see this but have heard it here on WS'S. Was it something from 3 years ago?
I'll go back to read but I was sure SB wasn't sure what DM was wearing. Her testimony was Feb 1 so I'll check it out
 
  • #332
SB wasn't sure if it was long sleeve or short IIRC and the video you sure can't tell. (or I can't). Regardless can a holster not be worn under one's clothing?

Not really. Not sure how he'd carry a gun other than in a satchel. If he was going to conceal it given what he was wearing, he'd need a jacket.


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  • #333
Jumping in here.

Just trying to figure out, where did the orange long sleeve shirt come from? I've just read through SB and WB'S testimony and didn't see this but have heard it here on WS'S. Was it something from 3 years ago?

The only clothing description was for MS, jeans and hoodie.
So it was all the MSM reports that said DM was wearing a long sleeved orange shirt back in 2013

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...e-arrest-in-tim-bosma-investigation-1.1323654
 
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Jumping in here.

Just trying to figure out, where did the orange long sleeve shirt come from? I've just read through SB and WB'S testimony and didn't see this but have heard it here on WS'S. Was it something from 3 years ago?

SB's testimony:

She remembers him wearing blue jeans, a long-sleeved orange shirt.

Crown's opening address, referring to IT's description:

He was wearing light blue jeans, orange t-shirt and carrying an “Indiana Jones” style satchel bag.


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6260487-bosma-trial-hears-one-friendly-man-one-reclusive-showed-up-for-test-drive/


http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/02/tim-bosma-trial-the-crowns-opening-statement.html
 
  • #336
If I recall correctly, the first time MM mentioned the giddiness was 3 years later in 2016, not in her original statement(s)
Furthermore,it was not the most clear who she was referring to when I heard her refer to He (DM) being giddy but then IIRC it changed to they. It sounded 'wishy washy' to me when I heard them play the clip in court. She wasn't the clearest communicator in my opinion. Just saying......IMOO
This is my opinion of MM, BD and little bit for LW, as derived from tweets: I felt their testimony was a little to self centred and emotionally immature at points. I'm not sure how to explain it except to say that it felt like this was the most exciting (significant is a better word) thing that has ever happened to them and they were telling their story as if at a dinner party. Fishing cliche: "I caught a fish THIS big..." I know it's not nice of me to say and should have employeed the Golden Rule.

That's not to say I don't believe the things they said but do feel strongly they embellished.

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  • #337
SB wasn't sure if it was long sleeve or short IIRC and the video you sure can't tell. (or I can't). Regardless can a holster not be worn under one's clothing?
I'm going to read the AB website about the holster purchase because it was a hot topic this weekend. I read all the posts but wasn't able to really think about it. Is it an shoulder/armpit holster or a belt/waist holster we're talking about?

I don't see this as being a good possibility (that DM was carrying the gun in the holster that night), though, that's my ignorant opinion until I read up on it.

JMO.

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  • #338
We know that DM had heard that AJ had called crime stoppers on the 9th, but he ends the day in a text to MS telling him everything is fine. I belive he didn't feel like he was "Hot" until,the 10th when LE showed up at the hanger. That was when his message about being too hot was sent. On the 9th he had ample time and opportunity to give the gun to MS if he wanted him to have it.

Although I don't belive MS's tale of amnesia in regards to hiding the gun, I doubt MWJ would take it back. Anyone found with it could be facing life in jail as a murderer, who would want that piece? I bet the guy who tried to buy it from MS but didn't have enough money is damn glad he didn't end up with it.

Isn't Squishy sitting in jail right now for having a gun that wasn't used in a murder? I don't think he is too persnickety on that point. I thought somebody had said he knew how to make them clean?
Having a murder weapon tossed in your lap is not enough to have you convicted of murder. MYO
 
  • #339
This is my opinion of MM, BD and little bit for LW, as derived from tweets: I felt their testimony was a little to self centred and emotionally immature at points. I'm not sure how to explain it except to say that it felt like this was the most exciting (significant is a better word) thing that has ever happened to them and they were telling their story as if at a dinner party. Fishing cliche: "I caught a fish THIS big..." I know it's not nice of me to say and should have employeed the Golden Rule.

That's not to say I don't believe the things they said but do feel strongly they embellished.

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I can tell you unequivocally that for all three of those people getting dragged into court was a nightmare. If you think any of them enjoyed the attention they received as a result of this, you are dreaming in technicolour. What's more, all three of these witnesses were accompanied by family members who were there to support them. Being a witness in a murder trial is not sitting around a dinner party telling fish stories.
 
  • #340
Why do people keep saying this? I'm not sure that too many murders would casually walk up to someone's door. Unless the were taking everyone out. Not the brightest move. Jmo

Fortunately, most psychopaths are busy making a living.....on the campaign trail or doing leveraged buyouts or laying people off.
 
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