Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #9

[brightii]

Can't wait to hear the bull pucky that comes from michalski.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/tim-bosmas-murder-may-have-been-thrill-kill-source

Me too, matou!

I posted this old article late last night, but am posting the link here again because it blows my mind what LE knew about DM and his criminal entourage, and how quickly they were putting the puzzle pieces together. It also mentions the tv show, The Following in context of this crime. After MH's testimony that comparison doesn't seem so far fetched to me now. AM's testimony should be very enlightening, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[mozzagirl]

Dangerous Offender designations don't apply to first or second degree murder convictions. They're meant to keep dangerous people behind bars for whom no other legislative option exists because they would otherwise have mandatory release dates attached to their sentences. First and second degree convictions can simply never be granted parole even with eligibility so dangerous offender designations would be redundant.

I found this link which answers questions and explains a lot of myths about parole. It is written by the Parole Board of Canada.

http://www.pbc-clcc.gc.ca/infocntr/myths_reality-eng.shtml

 

[RandomName479]

So just to be clear, is the 1 LB that was found at Smich's the same weed that was supposedly in the backpack?

they found weed at Smich's? First I'm hearing of it.....do you have a link?

 

[andreww]

Good question. BD reported MS had the weed an the gun at the same time. That could have been DM's weed.

I don't see Smich as the kind of guy that would have cash to buy a pound.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

BD was at his dealer's every single day. Why would he not go for the installment plan and pay every couple of days, rather than pay for two weeks and show up there for no reason?

See large quantities, you don't see your customers for 2 weeks. You make less profit. You can't lean on them to buy more all of a sudden, because they are satisfied.

It makes more sense to sell small quantities (more profit) and maintain good customer relationships.

Why smoke yours when you can smoke your dealers?

Also, most dealers do not want to sell in small quantities. It's a pain in the azz for them and bring heat to them fast! They'd rather unload in larger quantities to get rid of it faster. I don't think BD was MS'S only customer.

 

[andreww]

they found weed at Smich's? First I'm hearing of it.....do you have a link?

I thought it was one of the lawyers that said it in the last day or two. Not sure how Id go about searching that?

 

[Satchie]

Sorry I haven't caught up on this thread yet but I just had a thought.

The night of the 9th when DM was trying to get ahold of MH, he used CN's phone not his own. We know he had a phone so why was he using hers all night to keep in touch with MH? I am surprised TD didn't question MH about this.

Pillay made a huge thing about how MS stopped using his phone at a certain point to try "go underground" and only used others. So that makes me a little surprised that TD didn't highlight yesterday that DM did the exact same thing. Do we know if DM used his own phone at all on the 10th?

It could be his phone just ran out of power, but I assumed he was trying to ensure LE would never be able to link him with Hagerman through late night calls on his phone. There's no sign he was trying to hide on the 10th, he went to the hangar and had business meetings.

 

[Abitcountry]

From article, he was freaked out in general once he heard of DM's arrest.

From article,

Then he realized he couldn't get a quick $1,000 so knew he had to drop it. He was trying to drop the gun not the toolbox. The toolbox was found by police. He decided to move it fast after he realized media was at his home. He knew they were onto him. Probably thought DM ratted him out.


From article [

I think that MS may have guessed that he was next......but I bet he was surprised much later when he learned it was actually Hagerman who called Crimsstoppers back in May of 2013.

 

[SnooperDuper]

You seem to be contradicting your own argument here. First you make all these points about small-time dealers and equate MS as being such, then you note that it was a pound he had and that that would be the mark of someone who is not small-time. Please clarify, because I seem to be missing your point. Also, can you link some proof that there actually was any weed in that toolbox?

Well I am trying to figure him out. I suspect the 1 lb weed was DM's. I don't think MS had the cashflow to support that kind of investment. I don't think he was surrounded by people whose cashflow was so good that they bought 2 weeks' worth of weed at a time.

If MS was moving weed by the lb, he'd be living a better lifestyle. I think DM was the one who could afford to splurge on drugs and could afford to have them around. Also, "narcotics". That is high-dollar and high-penalty, and MS wasn't into that from what we know of his records and the testimony so far.

I suspect the weed from the blue knapsac from DM was the same weed MS was trying to move to afford a lawyer.

 

[RandomName479]

Can anyone help me understand why CN was charged with accessory after the fact (assuming for helping dispose of the trailer with the truck) and why AM and MH weren't? Because they EVENTUALLY talked and CN didn't? Or because it can't be proven that they knew what they were disposing of? Just curious....

 

[RandomName479]

I thought it was one of the lawyers that said it in the last day or two. Not sure how Id go about searching that?

I believe it was a suggestion by TD that MS was expecting weed and not a gun. It hasn't been shown that there was any weed IMO and I think it's important that we separate fact from fictional lawyer hypotheticals.....MOO

 

[puppyraiser]

Can anyone help me understand why CN was charged with accessory after the fact (assuming for helping dispose of the trailer with the truck) and why AM and MH weren't? Because they EVENTUALLY talked and CN didn't? Or because it can't be proven that they knew what they were disposing of? Just curious....

I've been asking the same question. The police said they don't typically arrest cooperating witnesses but IMO MH, SS and AM aren't cooperating witnesses at all. Well, they did talk but it's apparent they aren't telling all. MH and AM got rid of items suspected of being used in the crime, SS stripped down the outside of the truck.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I don't see Smich as the kind of guy that would have cash to buy a pound.

Probably not, he'd be under someone else. He sells and makes a portion. He'd be the little guy on the totem poll. But if that middle guy is in jail, that would become MS'S "full" profit instead of his little cut to move it.

The more I hear and think of DM, he sounds like someone I know. He's thankfully in jail now too!

 

[SnooperDuper]

Why smoke yours when you can smoke your dealers?

Also, most dealers do not want to sell in small quantities. It's a pain in the azz for them and bring heat to them fast! They'd rather unload in larger quantities to get rid of it faster. I don't think BD was MS'S only customer.

Lots of dealers offer business hours, sports on the big screen, sports betting, in a nice parlour for chatting and people (usually the same ones) drop in and out all day to sort out their assorted needs. Hangouts. Known to police but left alone until there's trouble.

The heat usually comes when there's a complaint: a fight in front of the building. Underdressed or raving people. Narcotics. That kind of thing.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Wow, I really had to lol at that one. Sorry.

ETA - Enlighten me...what does ⅛ of an ounce cost?

You don't want to pay for fresh weed because you have a humidor? Pot is a perishable product. If it gets too dried out, it's garbage.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

The other question is, why would a pot enthusiast want to smoke harsh, two-week-old, dried-out weed on a regular basis? Fresh is best.

Oh my! What do you think weed is? It's hung up and totally dried out plants. Have you ever tried to burn a fresh cut tree? It don't burn very well

 

[Ironworker736]

Well I am trying to figure him out. I suspect the 1 lb weed was DM's. I don't think MS had the cashflow to support that kind of investment. I don't think he was surrounded by people whose cashflow was so good that they bought 2 weeks' worth of weed at a time.

If MS was moving weed by the lb, he'd be living a better lifestyle. I think DM was the one who could afford to splurge on drugs and could afford to have them around. Also, "narcotics". That is high-dollar and high-penalty, and MS wasn't into that from what we know of his records and the testimony so far.

I suspect the weed from the blue knapsac from DM was the same weed MS was trying to move to afford a lawyer.

Okay, just to be clear here...IF there was this mysterious "1lb" of weed in MS's possession, I never implied he was moving it by the pound, otherwise, he'd have a freezer full. He could have gotten a pound on the cuff and been dealing ounces, hypothetically. Half quarters and less are typically amounts bought by high school kids who can't pay to play. BD had a job, so who knows, MS could have hard 20 other customers who all had jobs too. But the point here is that all of this weed talk is pure speculation that started with TD's unconfirmed statement about there being weed in the toolbox. TD may be clever in the regards of causing confusion, but not so much a straight-shooter IMO

 

[Satchie]

I thought it was one of the lawyers that said it in the last day or two. Not sure how Id go about searching that?

It was during the final cross examination of BD by MS's lawyer on Wed am April 6, long series of questions goes for several pages. There's an easier way to look online at the tweets, but I don't have the link.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests Smich said he was expecting to only receive drugs, nothing else, from Arthur. "News to me," Daly says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 48s48 seconds ago
Dungey suggests Smich only told him drugs were being dropped off. Daly disagrees.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?304507-Bosma-Murder-Trial-04-06-16-Day-31&p=12453773#post12453773

 

[ABro]

Can anyone help me understand why CN was charged with accessory after the fact (assuming for helping dispose of the trailer with the truck) and why AM and MH weren't? Because they EVENTUALLY talked and CN didn't? Or because it can't be proven that they knew what they were disposing of? Just curious....

Please note that while TD suggested MH might have "obstructed justice," he never mentioned accessory after the fact.

23. (1) An accessory after the fact to an offence is one who, knowing that a person has been a party to the offence, receives, comforts or assists that person for the purpose of enabling that person to escape.

 

[brightii]

billandrew, I'm curious to know your opinion of how MH's testimony, that was accompanied by tears and shakiness, as reported, came across to the jury? Do you think as a witness he will be seen as credible and sympathetic, or otherwise, by the jury?

Maybe that's a question that no one could answer, but I do wonder if those in attendance at trial can get any sense of what the jury is swayed by.

All MOO.