Boulder Police meet with JonBenet Ramsey's now adult brother

[joeskidbeck]

I like this theory with the exception of the strangling. I think he may have hit her in the head with the flashlight and then ran. The rest was P & J staging the scene and sadly enough, ending JonBenet's life.

 

[feddup]

I will add this ...unless it was a total accident...which it WAS NOT...and IF Burke is responsible...he will do it again...because this type of cruelty is a compulsion...and I beleive PR and JR would do absolutley every kind of lying they could think of to protect him.

Do you really think the Ramseys would lose their daughter, cover up all these yrs for BR, that really makes no sense.
Unless BR is a total psychopath.
And frankly, if I had a kid that nuts Id call the police and tell them theres an accident. I would NOT put myself thru what the Ramseys have for all these yrs if a psycho kid did it. JMO
And another thing, it was Night before Chistmas? Most kids are extra good. Theres just too many "NO" BR did not do it, he was most likely sleeping. He probably playd for awhile with a new toy and then, parents, knowing they had a busy day the next AM had him go to sleep. That was a huge house and anything in the basement, he wouldnt have heard. I know at times my son has sleep thru VERY loud clock radios when hes tired. (and once a smoke alarm going off)

I didnt see what he put on his twitter or whatever but from all aspects, going tocollege, graduating, etc he seems like hes pretty well adjusted. ?
Im sure they mustve had him in some counseling, does anyone know?

 

[joeskidbeck]

Do you really think the Ramseys would lose their daughter, cover up all these yrs for BR, that really makes no sense.
Unless BR is a total psychopath.
And frankly, if I had a kid that nuts Id call the police and tell them theres an accident. I would NOT put myself thru what the Ramseys have for all these yrs if a psycho kid did it. JMO
And another thing, it was Night before Chistmas? Most kids are extra good. Theres just too many "NO" BR did not do it, he was most likely sleeping. He probably playd for awhile with a new toy and then, parents, knowing they had a busy day the next AM had him go to sleep. That was a huge house and anything in the basement, he wouldnt have heard. I know at times my son has sleep thru VERY loud clock radios when hes tired. (and once a smoke alarm going off)

I didnt see what he put on his twitter or whatever but from all aspects, going tocollege, graduating, etc he seems like hes pretty well adjusted. ?
Im sure they mustve had him in some counseling, does anyone know?

Hi feddup, just so you know, this didn't happen on Christmas Eve, it happened Christmas night, so all the anticipation of Christmas morning would have passed.
I once worked for a very wealthy man who had several children. One of them, a boy who was around 10 or 11 at the time, was showing a few signs of something not quite right, so his dad took him to a psychiatrist for an exam. Turns out he was a sociopath. I guess that didn't mean he would necessarily turn out to be a murderer, but it did mean that the child knew right from wrong, just didn't care about right from wrong. The only things important to him were the things he wanted, nothing else. I have no idea if BR exhibited any of these traits, but if he did, with all the attention lavished on JonBenet, there was bound to be trouble sooner or later. Myself, I would rather believe he was that cute little guy in all the photos and didn't have a jealous bone in his body, but we have no way of knowing either way.

 

[DeeDee249]

Do you really think the Ramseys would lose their daughter, cover up all these yrs for BR, that really makes no sense.
Unless BR is a total psychopath.
And frankly, if I had a kid that nuts Id call the police and tell them theres an accident. I would NOT put myself thru what the Ramseys have for all these yrs if a psycho kid did it. JMO
And another thing, it was Night before Chistmas? Most kids are extra good. Theres just too many "NO" BR did not do it, he was most likely sleeping. He probably playd for awhile with a new toy and then, parents, knowing they had a busy day the next AM had him go to sleep. That was a huge house and anything in the basement, he wouldnt have heard. I know at times my son has sleep thru VERY loud clock radios when hes tired. (and once a smoke alarm going off)

I didnt see what he put on his twitter or whatever but from all aspects, going tocollege, graduating, etc he seems like hes pretty well adjusted. ?
Im sure they mustve had him in some counseling, does anyone know?

It wasn't the night before Christmas. It was Christmas night. The 25-26th.
If BR were my son, I'd have had him in counseling no matter how his sister had died, but for a horrific death like this, for sure. I doubt they did, though. Patsy said that they NEVER mentioned JB again to him, nor did he ever ask about her or about what happened. Now, you can believe what you want about his involvement or lack of, but THAT is just abnormal no matter what. He wasn't a toddler then, he was almost 10.

 

[joeskidbeck]

It wasn't the night before Christmas. It was Christmas night. The 25-26th.
If BR were my son, I'd have had him in counseling no matter how his sister had died, but for a horrific death like this, for sure. I doubt they did, though. Patsy said that they NEVER mentioned JB again to him, nor did he ever ask about her or about what happened. Now, you can believe what you want about his involvement or lack of, but THAT is just abnormal no matter what. He wasn't a toddler then, he was almost 10.

DeeDee, even the adults around this murder should have gotten counseling. It's unthinkable that they wouldn't have gotten it for Burke. I pray they did.

 

[feddup]

It wasn't the night before Christmas. It was Christmas night. The 25-26th.
If BR were my son, I'd have had him in counseling no matter how his sister had died, but for a horrific death like this, for sure. I doubt they did, though. Patsy said that they NEVER mentioned JB again to him, nor did he ever ask about her or about what happened. Now, you can believe what you want about his involvement or lack of, but THAT is just abnormal no matter what. He wasn't a toddler then, he was almost 10.

Sorry about the date of this...its been about 5 yrs since I read the book:blushing:
Wow, I do think that sounds a little strange them never mentioning JBR;s name or talking about her so he would remember her
Thats sad.
They did seem to keep pics of her around. At least in a documentary I saw.

 

[DeeDee249]

Sorry about the date of this...its been about 5 yrs since I read the book:blushing:
Wow, I do think that sounds a little strange them never mentioning JBR;s name or talking about her so he would remember her
Thats sad.
They did seem to keep pics of her around. At least in a documentary I saw.

Remember that a documentary is staged and we have no way of knowing if the Rs ever kept photos of her around after her death. We have not see any photos or videos of the R home in Atlanta (where they moved after her funeral) or Charlevoix (their vacation home).

 

[TinaD]

When I read the Ramsey's book '"Death of Innocence", one thing that really struck me was the absence of very many references to Burke. It seemed they only mentioned him in the book when they absolutely had to, and otherwise wanted to totally downplay his very existence. Why?

 

[joeskidbeck]

I've never believed Burke was very involved in this, but the more I read the more I'm starting to think he was. Especially now that he won't (or John won't let him) cooperate in this new investigation.

 

[GingBreade]

maybe "Death of Innocence" refers to Burke? I know that is really out there but hmm. And who is the title referring to anyways, the Ramseys? that is why I haven't read the book cause they are pitying themselves. Everyone I know (well close to me) think that the title refers to them also. Does it mean death of innocence about them or JB?

 

[joeskidbeck]

maybe "Death of Innocence" refers to Burke? I know that is really out there but hmm. And who is the title referring to anyways, the Ramseys? that is why I haven't read the book cause they are pitying themselves. Everyone I know (well close to me) think that the title refers to them also. Does it mean death of innocence about them or JB?

They would love for the whole world to believe it meant the death of their innocence, but the only ones whose innocence died that night were JonBenet and Burke.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Well, you could probably add the Boulder Police Dept. to the list of those who lost their innocence!

 

[UKGuy]

I've never believed Burke was very involved in this, but the more I read the more I'm starting to think he was. Especially now that he won't (or John won't let him) cooperate in this new investigation.

joeskidbeck,

A BDI is possible, it just seems Patsy and John appear to be involved beyond a mere coverup on Burke's behalf.

Although regardless of the original events the masking of any prior molestation might be the motivation for the parents involvement?


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[joeskidbeck]

joeskidbeck,

A BDI is possible, it just seems Patsy and John appear to be involved beyond a mere coverup on Burke's behalf.

Although regardless of the original events the masking of any prior molestation might be the motivation for the parents involvement?


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A lot of us seem to get caught up in the opinion that her abuse had to be at the hands of John, but I think they would have covered for Burke just as much (maybe more than John). Actually if it were me, NO WAY I would cover for my husband if he was abusing my six year old. A lot of people think Patsy would have covered for John because of her disease and how much she loved her lifestyle, I sure hope that's not the case as it speaks volumes to her character. Most mothers have that protective gene and would kill for their children, not protect their killer.

 

[UKGuy]

A lot of us seem to get caught up in the opinion that her abuse had to be at the hands of John, but I think they would have covered for Burke just as much (maybe more than John). Actually if it were me, NO WAY I would cover for my husband if he was abusing my six year old. A lot of people think Patsy would have covered for John because of her disease and how much she loved her lifestyle, I sure hope that's not the case as it speaks volumes to her character. Most mothers have that protective gene and would kill for their children, not protect their killer.

joeskidbeck,

One potentially complex factor is that any prior molestation amy not be unique to person who killed JonBenet. That is JonBenet may have been molested by multiple persons?


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[joeskidbeck]

joeskidbeck,

One potentially complex factor is that any prior molestation amy not be unique to person who killed JonBenet. That is JonBenet may have been molested by multiple persons?


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That's possible, of course. In my opinion there are only five possibilities for this scenario:

1-PR (if this is the case, I don't believe the contact was sexual in nature)
2-JR
3-BR (I think this would have been only playing "doctor" that maybe got out of hand)
4-JAR
5-DP (this one troubles me more than any other because of other implications it would bring)

I'm not sure that multiple abusers would be my theory. In light of recent developments, my theories have changed and I'm certainly not locked into any one of them.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Ok, the topic of this thread was about LE wanting to question BR again. I would like to know if they are planning to question JAR again. In my opinion, this avenue was not investigated well enough. I'm not particularly happy with the alibi and the fact that JR lawyered up for him and his mom.

 

[feddup]

maybe "Death of Innocence" refers to Burke? I know that is really out there but hmm. And who is the title referring to anyways, the Ramseys? that is why I haven't read the book cause they are pitying themselves. Everyone I know (well close to me) think that the title refers to them also. Does it mean death of innocence about them or JB?

gingbread: I got the book for $1 at a thrift shop. So....decided to read it.
One thing I can say that JR says in it that is true is that PR got JBR in the pageants because she did not think she would live long enough to see JBR in them when she turned 16 which ended up true as PR died from her cancer. I guess they knew she was on borrowed time.
I do remember PR saying in the book how she and Burke were in a store and there were disgusting tabloids and she told Burke to just ignore them. cant blame her. I think Burke was an introvert type and JBR was like PR, an extrovvert type. Imnot sure what Death of Innocence means. I think they, the R's trusted people after JBR was murdered they didnt?
That is shocking to me if they never talked about JBR though. What did they do just pretend she never existed. i guess people handle things in diffeent ways but I would not want to forget her memory.
Im ot really convinced BR had anyhing to do with this. He was only 9 at the time.
The one thing that makes me wonder if why they gave JBR's dog to the neighbors. He waa small and non shedding type. It wouldnt have been hard to take him to their summer home, etc. (small crate and ready to go lol)
Id like to re read it now but I cant find it:banghead:
I will say if they didnt have anything to do with this, they sure were dealt some low blows. JR's oldest daughter killed in car crash, PR's awful cancer and then JBR's dying.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Good morning, feddup! The sad part is that if they didn't have anything to do with JonBenet's death, they brought on most of their suffering themselves with their attitude and refusal to help find the "real" killer. Also, I can't imagine any reason for them to not talk about JonBenet. She had six beautiful years of life and those six years would have been all I could have talked about to anyone who would listen. I'm sure people would have gotten tired of hearing me talk about my beautiful JonBenet!

 

[wallflower67]

ITA!! EVERYBODY should have been re-interviewed YEARS ago!!! People's memories tend to fade with time. But, hopefully they do what you said...and maybe somebody will remember something.

Honestly, he may not remember a thing, even remember what he was questioned about by the police (i.e. the pineapple). May not have realized the significance and have no idea now what the heck he had as a bedtime snack.

My kids were tweens and early teens when we had to tell them shocking news about a relative who went to prison. I was talking to one of them (now adult) the other day, and she had completely forgotten why this person had been convicted, etc. And he didn't go away for writing bad checks! This was something we never imagined she would forget, and I believe she was 14 when we told her. We didn't sugar coat it either.