Boulder Police meet with JonBenet Ramsey's now adult brother

[my_tee_mouse]

Elections are coming up........more Boulder PR

Even if it's nothing more than election PR, look at the revitalization of interest in the case on this board alone. If Boulder has shared a similar renewed interest, then perhaps pressure will come to bear and something will come of it. JR doesn't have the clout or the reputation he had when the case was new. All these years of conflicting statements has seen to that. Who knows? If it means any new light is shed on this case, then let 'em PR it up all they want.

 

[Toltec]

"victory" is getting a very important clue if RDI IMO.If IDI then it would have made perfect sense.But if RDI it's interesting.
Victory what,like I took her away from you?Outta what,to save her from you or outta revenge cause I hate you?
But in order to understand it I think we need to know what SBTC means.

From DOI: ppb pages 253-4; Patsy talks about her premonitions about Xmas, the color purple,
and JB's death: Here are some snippets...

Purple was always used at St. Johns Episcopal Church during the season of Lent.

I had noticed a large roll of beautiful purple velvet ribbon on one of the shelves Why not? I thought. Purple would be a different look this year. The family won't expect it. And it could be beautiful.

Without an awareness of its significance, I had placed the meaning of Lent in the midst of our celebration of the nativity. Beckoning to the future, the use of the deep purple ribbon suggested that what began in the cradle would end on the cross.

When I later shared my premonition with a friend, she told me that purple is particularly significant to Christians because it blends the colors red and blue. Anglicans often think of blue as it symbolizes mankind or humanity. Of course, red represents our redemption through the shed blood of Christ.

 

[madeleine]

from that article

'She was killed. Someone took her down to the basement . . . took a knife out and hit her on the head.' At the time of Burke's psychiatrist's interview only the police knew that Burke's Swiss Army knife, which he treasured, had been found next to the body.


Where did he get all the details anyway?taken down to the basement,she was hit on the head.....

Would you tell your 9 years old so many gruesome details about his sisters murder?I don't get it.

 

[madeleine]

This boy was so coached.No surprise it's so confusing and he doesn't get it right,he knew something but was told to tell a different story and there must have been a mess in his head.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Sorry, purple is significant to Christians because it was the color that Royalty wore in the time of Jesus (it was the most difficult and expensive color to produce, so only royalty could afford it). He was forced to wear a purple robe to the cross in order to make fun of the fact that He was supposed to be "King" of the Jews. Most Baptist churches that display a large wooden cross also have a purple cloth draped over the arm extensions. I have never heard the explanation of purple blending red and blue. Does anyone have more information on this aspect? TIA, Becky.

 

[madeleine]

Whenever the R's are asked a question re BR ,re the bat,the boots,etc,they say "well ask BR,i don't know,he knows".....well that's what they wanna do but JR doesn't let him.so isn't this just a vicious circle?ask BR,we will make sure you don't get to him though.so transparent,makes you sick.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Originally Posted by madeleine [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5726516#post5726516"]

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"victory" is getting a very important clue if RDI IMO.If IDI then it would have made perfect sense.But if RDI it's interesting.
Victory what,like I took her away from you?Outta what,to save her from you or outta revenge cause I hate you?
But in order to understand it I think we need to know what SBTC means.

Madeleine, I will always believe that SBTC means Saved By The Cross. Here's why: Being saved by the cross (Jesus' shed blood on the cross) insures Victory over Death and the Grave. Jesus won our Victory over Death and the Grave when He died on the cross. I capitalize these words because the bible does. But the thing is, it wasn't the cross that bought our victory, it was the death or the shedding of the blood of The Perfect Sacrifice. The result would have been the same no matter how they had killed Jesus. A great many faiths do use the term "Saved by the Cross" but mine uses "Saved by the Blood". "Without the shedding of blood, there can be no remission (or forgiveness) of sin". Sorry, didn't mean to give everyone a Sunday School lesson, but I just had to express my thoughts on SBTC.
I also think that JonBenet's victory over the grave would have been utmost in Patsy's mind that night.

 

[madeleine]

Where is JAR now?
Too bad he wasn't home that night,IMO he would have told the truth.Cause this is how an innocent person cooperates .I am convinced now that JAR didn't do it and is not involved and doesn't know anything.Seems like a very smart man.And I think he cared a lot about JB.

ST Page 56
We asked him to put his thoughts on paper, and he wrote a document that brimmed with feelings about his little stepsister being murdered, giving us a glimpse into his world. He caught our attention immediately by writing, "I think it was someone that had intimate knowledge of my family and how we lived day to day. Why would they leave the ransom note on the back staircase instead of the front?" Good question, I thought. How would a stranger know which stairway Patsy Ramsey would come down that morning?

He ridiculed the idea of a small foreign faction being involved, was certain the crime had nothing to do with his father's company, and questioned why a ransom note was left at all. "Why did they ask for $118,000? I could pay that amount," he wrote. Someone was envious of their wealth and thought of the Ramseys as "rich bastards," he said.

John Andrew told us that whoever did this was probably uneducated, were amateurs at kidnapping, and had seen the movie Ransom, in which the family of Mel Gibson's character was a "spitting image" of his own. He did not believe anyone came in through the broken basement window. They had a key, he surmised.

In one comment, he described his stepmother as "flashy" and guessed that the killer might be someone close to her.

John Andrew also buttressed the comments of the housekeeper's husband, Mervin Pugh, and former nanny Suzanne Savage about the house being difficult to navigate. "You don't know your way around real easy right off the bat. . . . You have to open lots of doors. It has lots of ups and downs," and the basement entrance was hard to find. It was becoming very clear to the police just how difficult it would have been for any stranger to get to that distant basement storage room."


Does anyone know if JAR and BR have a close relationship in the present?

 

[joeskidbeck]

Now I wonder if he thought Patsy was the killer and John didn't know! Just something about his remarks. Patsy may have went to college but that did not make her the brightest bulb in the socket. JAR may not have had a lot of feeling for his step mother.

 

[madeleine]

Madeleine, I will always believe that SBTC means Saved By The Cross. Here's why: Being saved by the cross (Jesus' shed blood on the cross) insures Victory over Death and the Grave. Jesus won our Victory over Death and the Grave when He died on the cross. I capitalize these words because the bible does. But the thing is, it wasn't the cross that bought our victory, it was the death or the shedding of the blood of The Perfect Sacrifice. The result would have been the same no matter how they had killed Jesus. A great many faiths do use the term "Saved by the Cross" but mine uses "Saved by the Blood". "Without the shedding of blood, there can be no remission (or forgiveness) of sin". Sorry, didn't mean to give everyone a Sunday School lesson, but I just had to express my thoughts on SBTC.[/I]
I also think that JonBenet's victory over the grave would have been utmost in Patsy's mind that night.

Maybe someone tried to perform an exorcism on her and it went wrong.Christmas night,saved by the cross,all the religious mambo jambo about forgiveness and stuff,"she's in a better place now",no remorse.
Hey maybe they thought in their sick minds that it was for her own good!
Dunno anymore,but everything about this crime is creepy.

 

[Linda7NJ]

January 1994 JonBenet Ramsey hit on cheek with golf club by brother Burke (AngelFire timeline). October 1994 JBR Plastic Surgery. JonBenet Ramsey went to plastic surgeon in Denver for scar related to golf club. (AngelFire timeline).

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...n+Jonbenet+golf+club&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[feddup]

Now I wonder if he thought Patsy was the killer and John didn't know! Just something about his remarks. Patsy may have went to college but that did not make her the brightest bulb in the socket. JAR may not have had a lot of feeling for his step mother.

EVERYONE has a different theory as to this murder. Now here is the oldest son thinking it was an uneducated person who saw a movie and came in through a door with a key.
Well, it seems like th R's had given out alot of keys from what I read.

I have always wondered why the next day they were meeting the older kids in Michigan and not their house i CO that was all decorated with Christmas trees, etc which seems to me wouldve been the best place. but who knows, maybe they liked the Michigan place. And, maybe they had already had Christmas dinner, etc with their Mother.

 

[feddup]

Well, there blows THAT theory of PR did it and JR covered up for her.
Because JAR and his Sister seemed to think very highly of their Father. Im sure they would think as a good father he would not cover up for the death of one of his children.

I believe that if JR covered up for a PR accident now that she is dead he would confess to the police. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Well, there blows THAT theory of PR did it and JR covered up for her.
Because JAR and his Sister seemed to think very highly of their Father. Im sure they would think as a good father he would not cover up for the death of one of his children.

I believe that if JR covered up for a PR accident now that she is dead he would confess to the police. JMO

Most children tend to think their parents are incapable of such a thing. Denial is a powerful thing and often times unintentional. I'ts really no different than mothers that can not believe their child committed a heinous crime, yet almost all murderers have a mother.

 

[feddup]

He seems to have a good track record as a father. OR could it be he shelled out alot of money to them over guilt of divorcing their Mother and marrying PR? Who knows. Families get so complicated. :waitasec:
But...in a doc. I saw his older daughter had nothing but good to say about him. Even went so far as to be in the doc. to talk about him.
Sorry, cant remember if JAR was in it.
I had stayed away from this case because it is so upsetting nd confusing
I never really thought of PR as "flashy" she seemed to dress conservative, etc. I wonder what he meant by that? Maybe he meant the beauty pageants? That is the only thing I can think of as flashy.
One thing I read about the kids by their former housekeeper is that PR did not make the kids picks up after themselves and I dont know why. They were both old enough to know how. spoiled?
Even when we had a house keeper come once a week when I was a kid, she was NOT expected to clean up our messes.
Housekeeper Linda said that when she came in the AM there would be opened jar of spilled Ovaltne left on the counter, etc.

 

[DeeDee249]

Now I wonder if he thought Patsy was the killer and John didn't know! Just something about his remarks. Patsy may have went to college but that did not make her the brightest bulb in the socket. JAR may not have had a lot of feeling for his step mother.

For what it's worth, Patsy graduated college with honors.

 

[Toltec]

the shed blood of Christ....SBTC? Did u all miss that part?

 

[DeeDee249]

the shed blood of Christ....SBTC? Did u all miss that part?

Nope. I saw it.

 

[BBB167893]

I never really thought of PR as "flashy" she seemed to dress conservative, etc. I wonder what he meant by that? Maybe he meant the beauty pageants? That is the only thing I can think of as flashy.

I understand that was part of it. I think he was referring more to how she ACTED. Very over-the-top, theatrical.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Sorry, purple is significant to Christians because it was the color that Royalty wore in the time of Jesus (it was the most difficult and expensive color to produce, so only royalty could afford it). He was forced to wear a purple robe to the cross in order to make fun of the fact that He was supposed to be "King" of the Jews. Most Baptist churches that display a large wooden cross also have a purple cloth draped over the arm extensions. I have never heard the explanation of purple blending red and blue. Does anyone have more information on this aspect? TIA, Becky.

Beck, I believe your explanation is more accurate than the red/blue business. I am Presbyterian, and we drape a cross with purple cloth at Easter to represent the robe Christ was forced to wear. I've never heard of this red/blue stuff either.

Frankly, I think this guy has taken many liberties, and I have filed his article in along with sundry Enquirer ones.