Brandon Scott Lavergne - Guilty Plea and LWOP

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  • #1,881
point A is in front of the Circle K and point B is where I think she was taken. you can look at the street here on google. there's a big open field after the neighborhood area ends

http://goo.gl/maps/PtqcB


Just as I remember the area, except decades ago St Landry ended at Dean with a gate...a shell road existed from gate to Blackham. All that area was parking areas and exhibit areas for Oil Show.....Not visible from Johnston because of Ira Nelson..isolated and dark without lighting......
 
  • #1,882
Why would I make up traveling to Dean Street or the time it took me haha?

And I suppose it depends on where you start on st. Landry. But I could see the circle k behind me and got there less than a minute. So regardless of the exact second count it wasn't long. It's right by lourdes. But like you said, depends on stop lights and stuff. I'd assume if Mickey felt like she was being followed, shed have been going pretty fast also.

I was just letting people know the street was nothing like I pictured ha. I expected dark and remote rather than a pretty crammed neighborhood. Not sure how dark it is there at night.
And how sad it is that the picture of her was shortly before she was taken.

I have run in that area often. If I am towards the beginning of a run (I seem to slow down further into my miles), I can run from Dean & St.Landry to the Circle K in about six minutes. Towards the end of the run, more like 8-10 minutes, depending on how many miles I do that day. I know this because I have my running tracker app on my phone set to alert me every half mile I run and then I'm always checking to see when I'm about to hit the next half mile (long runs are easier to do if you can just tell yourself "one more half mile" several times and make it many more half miles, if that makes sense). I'm sure Mickey biked a heck of a lot faster than I run (even towards the beginning of my runs).

I can tell everyone that even on weekday afternoons there are significant gaps of time without cars/other people on St. Landry near Dean/Coliseum. I tend to believe BSL let Mickey get a little bit out into the field area past Dean before Coliseum and then bumped her. If Mickey made a right on Coliseum, he even could have bumped her there and she would have been even further away from the houses. I don't doubt the whole thing could have went down at 2am in that area without anyone hearing or seeing anything. I used to sometimes run down Coliseum to Souveneir Gate (in daytime) and I don't anymore.

The entire area is very quiet since the hospital closed. Mickey also disapeared after spring semester classes were over, many students had gone home, and summer classes had not yet started. Aside from the neighborhood nearby (some of the homes there are rented to students who might have been back home with their families during break), the closest people who could have heard something would have been frat boys on frat row near where Coliseum meets Souvenier Gate (sororoity girls don't live in their houses, which are nearby) but many of them would have been home since school was out instead of the frat houses.

That area is desolate at times in the day, let alone at night when school isn't in session. I have no doubt this is the area where she was abducted and that no one heard or saw anything. I just don't think it happened exactly at the intersection of Dean & St.Landry a few feet from houses but closer to Coliseum Rd.
 
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  • #1,884
I still want to know how LE knew after they found BSL that Mickey was deceased and that was no real rush to find her alive. Because BSL was not talking and did not confess then. What kind of evidence did they find at his house or whereever that lead them to believe this information? I don't believe it was the truck since they said that was so thoroughly burnt. Will we ever have all the information released to us about the case?

I think it's a case of 1+1=2.

LE KNEW he had killed Lisa. An indictment against him in her murder was sought when he was released from prison and the grand jury issued a stay.

They suspected him (according to the jailhouse friend) in other women's deaths.

They knew he was a murderer.

They had likely observed him when he was home and his family/friends when he was offshore and came to the conclusion that no one was housing/caring for a live Mickey.

We don't know if his sister saw the inside of his truck before it was burned. Whatever she told them she saw could have been an indicator that Mickey was no longer alive. Shooting someone in the head in the cabin of a truck has to create an enormous mess that would be very difficult to clean up completely. Maybe she saw blood stains. Maybe she saw the bullet hole. Maybe she didn't see any of it but he told her it had to be burned because "the drug runners that knew his friend that he lent the truck to" had shot a bullet hole in it and hurt someone in it and left blood.

I think it was just common sense- LE knew he was a murderer combined with observing him combined with the truck burning & what the sister saw in the truck = Mickey is most likely deceased. Honestly, I think just knowing he was a murderer plus knowing he took Mickey was enough to equal Mickey is probably deceased.
 
  • #1,885
I think it's a case of 1+1=2.

LE KNEW he had killed Lisa. An indictment against him in her murder was sought when he was released from prison and the grand jury issued a stay.

They suspected him (according to the jailhouse friend) in other women's deaths.

They knew he was a murderer.

They had likely observed him when he was home and his family/friends when he was offshore and came to the conclusion that no one was housing/caring for a live Mickey.

We don't know if his sister saw the inside of his truck before it was burned. Whatever she told them she saw could have been an indicator that Mickey was no longer alive. Shooting someone in the head in the cabin of a truck has to create an enormous mess that would be very difficult to clean up completely. Maybe she saw blood stains. Maybe she saw the bullet hole. Maybe she didn't see any of it but he told her it had to be burned because "the drug runners that knew his friend that he lent the truck to" had shot a bullet hole in it and hurt someone in it and left blood.

I think it was just common sense- LE knew he was a murderer combined with observing him combined with the truck burning & what the sister saw in the truck = Mickey is most likely deceased. Honestly, I think just knowing he was a murderer plus knowing he took Mickey was enough to equal Mickey is probably deceased.

I would think whatever evidence they had would be absolutely damning. Because to otherwise not try to look for someone that could possibly be alive out there would be sickening to the family and I know to LE as well. So I know that evidence had to be extremely convincing. Blood seen my the sister wouldn't prove her death, just an injury and if that was all the evidence they had if it was my sister then LE better be looking like she was still alive. So I think they they must have had something substantial. And I hope we can one day know what it was because I know several of the WS members were very bothered that LE was not actively searching for an alive Mickey night and day.
 
  • #1,886
I think it's a case of 1+1=2.

LE KNEW he had killed Lisa. An indictment against him in her murder was sought when he was released from prison and the grand jury issued a stay.

They suspected him (according to the jailhouse friend) in other women's deaths.

They knew he was a murderer.

They had likely observed him when he was home and his family/friends when he was offshore and came to the conclusion that no one was housing/caring for a live Mickey.

We don't know if his sister saw the inside of his truck before it was burned. Whatever she told them she saw could have been an indicator that Mickey was no longer alive. Shooting someone in the head in the cabin of a truck has to create an enormous mess that would be very difficult to clean up completely. Maybe she saw blood stains. Maybe she saw the bullet hole. Maybe she didn't see any of it but he told her it had to be burned because "the drug runners that knew his friend that he lent the truck to" had shot a bullet hole in it and hurt someone in it and left blood.

I think it was just common sense- LE knew he was a murderer combined with observing him combined with the truck burning & what the sister saw in the truck = Mickey is most likely deceased. Honestly, I think just knowing he was a murderer plus knowing he took Mickey was enough to equal Mickey is probably deceased.
Do you think any/all of this could have been on pics or video from Coliseum, Dean, or elsewhere? It just feels that they knew she was gone very early on, & that he was responsible for it. What is it Jury's Out said: ' nothing nothing nothing * BAM * ' from LE. Could that be why they played it so close to the vest? To wait, assemble, & then pounce?
 
  • #1,887
I still want to know how LE knew after they found BSL that Mickey was deceased and that was no real rush to find her alive. Because BSL was not talking and did not confess then. What kind of evidence did they find at his house or whereever that lead them to believe this information? I don't believe it was the truck since they said that was so thoroughly burnt. Will we ever have all the information released to us about the case?

DANZN16 ~

Perhaps, a foto ?? Something very definitive.
 
  • #1,888
so the man that was in the hospital that BSL visited right before he murdered Mickey - is that man the adoptive father with paranoid schizophrenia?

i wish someone would make a family tree of some sort. it doesn't REALLY matter, but i'd like to be able to wrap my mind around that

JUSTWANNAHELP ~

Perhaps you should ask Someguy to elaborate. He has given us good info here before and I believe he would know the relations. He is a half brother to BSL,
Correct me if I am wrong. He was kind enough to share family info earlier on in the investigation. Don't know if he is still active on WS tho.
 
  • #1,889
If I had to guess a strand of her hair or even a tiny bit of blood of hers on his clothes which they can examine to see if it's from someone that's deceased.
 
  • #1,890
OCEANMETTHESKY ~

Since BSL had some articles of these individuals without their knowledge, I feel that they have been stalked / targeted by someone in obtaining their personal property. Did BSL steal these things ? Was he paying an accomplice to get these items from people without their knowledge ? These people need to learn how their belongings were lifted as a precaution in the future. Maybe LE is investigating another person in league with BSL in stealing their property without anyone knowing about it. So the questions is: How was this done ? By whom ? Is there still a person out there doing this for other individuals ? Identity theft + ?? We won't know until LE comes forth with it. IMO that may not be very soon but I hope eventually, everyone will learn what was going on.
IMO LE must have some ID's / Articles belonging to some of the missing women.......putting together a case for it / them is in process and will remain secret until they finish ?? What else could it be ?
Hope I haven't been too redundant here.


Nope, I don't think anyone else was involved honestly. I can just tell you LE knew where one of the girls lived, and said they knew exactly where to go to find the address based on what they found.
And it wasn't from an ID.
Mail box is post office with key only, so no public mail box.

There's more of what I think but ill wait on that.

My opinion, yes, he was stalking to some extent.
I think the reason LE is holding off info is to those who were missing, if any, whose things were found.
I can just tell you not all of the women are missing or endangered. My guess is had bsl not been locked up, they wouldve been.

I'll also say, for one person to whom I'm speaking about, is the most private shy person you can imagine. That means no bars, party scenes, talking to random strangers, none of that.

How was he getting their things?
He was stupid for murdering, yet a very cunning and intelligent individual.
 
  • #1,891
I still want to know how LE knew after they found BSL that Mickey was deceased and that was no real rush to find her alive. Because BSL was not talking and did not confess then. What kind of evidence did they find at his house or whereever that lead them to believe this information? I don't believe it was the truck since they said that was so thoroughly burnt. Will we ever have all the information released to us about the case?

It's been a long time, now, so my recollection is not as fresh about details of the early events in Mickey's case but didn't SAR K9s alert on something at Whiskey Bay? Were cadaver dogs there? When BSL dumped Mickey's bicycle at WB, he had allegedly already murdered Mickey, maybe residue, i.e. hair, from the gunshot wound to Mickey's head was on BSL, and it was somehow left at the WB site unbeknownst to BSL.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that after Mickey's bike was found at WB, LE had a negative response as to Mickey still being alive?
 
  • #1,892
As I recall, the indictment contained several initials of parties willing to testify against BSL, including those of his brother. Given BSLs penchant for talking about his activities, perhaps he told someone who then advised LE???

Yes, his "penchant for talking"...it's possible, but I think that was the one thing he was going to keep quiet about, no matter what! He did go to great lengths to conceal/destroy evidence...even if it didn't do him much good in the end!
 
  • #1,893
Shame on the Jefferson Parish Sheriff deputy that processed the incident report at Oschner Hospital; he should have connected the pieces as a result of his training and experience! This deputy met with a person with multiple stab wounds on May 19th, that drove a white truck identical to the surveillance photos, and no doubt the incident report had BSL's address showing he was from the same area as a missing college student earlier THAT day. For a victim to be so vague about details of where the crime occurred, to stop responding to questions and become "less cooperative" ... I would think this incident would stand out in the memory of a sheriff deputy! JMO :waitasec:
Was GPS tracking used in this investigation by the sheriff's dept to figure out where this incident may have occurred?

TV media showed surveillance photos & requested info over and over asking the public for info on a "white truck" with surveillance photos shown on TV, missing MICKEY posters plastered EVERYWHERE detailing dates/times and other info and this did not raise RED Flags with this deputy? We saw media reports in Houston, TX; no doubt Jefferson Parish received the same broadcasts.

Per KATC published: 07/13/2012 05:19 PM by Erin Steuber

May 19: The day Mickey Shunick went missing
KATC is working to fill in gaps in the timeline the day Mickey Shunick disappeared. Lets go back to the beginning of what we know.... whereabouts were unknown until we got our hands on a police report from Jefferson Parish. According to the report, on May 19, 21 hours after Mickey disappeared, Jefferson Parish Sheriffs deputies interviewed Lavergne at Oschner Hospital. Lavergne told them a stranger stabbed him earlier that day at a gas station, but he couldn't say where. He was stabbed in the chest, back, neck, and hand. Deputies say the more questions they asked, Lavergne became less and less cooperative. Lavergne was released from the hospital.
 
  • #1,894
Lafayette Police Department Press Release, July 6, 2012 -- 1:00 P.M.
Date: 7/6/2012
Time: 1:00:00 PM

Arrest Made in Mickey Shunick Case (snipped)

On June 14, Investigators received information from a concerned citizen, regarding a white Z71 that may be involved in Mickey’s disappearance. The vehicle in question was registered to Brandon Lavergne. Further investigation revealed that the truck was reported stolen in Montgomery County, Texas and later located in San Jacinto County, Texas on May 31st. The truck had been burned just days after police released photographs of the truck as a vehicle of interest.

Based on information and surveillance detectives were able to positively identify the truck that traveled directly behind Mickey in the video as belonging to Brandon Lavergne. Investigators are also able to place Brandon Lavergne in and around the location of where the bicycle was located.

(Perhaps a sheriff deputy and a "Concerned Citizen" could be one and the same :waitasec:)
 
  • #1,895
kttgirl/Kgeaux/FOTOBUG
St. Martin Parish Sheriff Dept ruled out DTL & BSL quickly in murder of Danielle Thibodeaux.. They have a PRIME suspect but not enough evidence. Don't know how to state this with sensitivity, but Danielle was an extreme crackhead. The type that causes a 30 yr. old to look like 70, with no teeth, sores. Her murder had to do with a drug deal rather than sex.....

Thank you for this info, Justwundering.

(And I am so very sorry for Danielle and her family).
 
  • #1,896
Shame on the Jefferson Parish Sheriff deputy that processed the incident report at Oschner Hospital; he should have connected the pieces as a result of his training and experience! This deputy met with a person with multiple stab wounds on May 19th, that drove a white truck identical to the surveillance photos, and no doubt the incident report had BSL's address showing he was from the same area as a missing college student earlier THAT day. For a victim to be so vague about details of where the crime occurred, to stop responding to questions and become "less cooperative" ... I would think this incident would stand out in the memory of a sheriff deputy! JMO :waitasec:
Was GPS tracking used in this investigation by the sheriff's dept to figure out where this incident may have occurred?

TV media showed surveillance photos & requested info over and over asking the public for info on a "white truck" with surveillance photos shown on TV, missing MICKEY posters plastered EVERYWHERE detailing dates/times and other info and this did not raise RED Flags with this deputy? We saw media reports in Houston, TX; no doubt Jefferson Parish received the same broadcasts.

Per KATC published: 07/13/2012 05:19 PM by Erin Steuber

May 19: The day Mickey Shunick went missing
KATC is working to fill in gaps in the timeline the day Mickey Shunick disappeared. Lets go back to the beginning of what we know.... whereabouts were unknown until we got our hands on a police report from Jefferson Parish. According to the report, on May 19, 21 hours after Mickey disappeared, Jefferson Parish Sheriffs deputies interviewed Lavergne at Oschner Hospital. Lavergne told them a stranger stabbed him earlier that day at a gas station, but he couldn't say where. He was stabbed in the chest, back, neck, and hand. Deputies say the more questions they asked, Lavergne became less and less cooperative. Lavergne was released from the hospital.

In the officer's defense, friends/family in NOLA told me the media coverage of Mickey's case was often just blips on the tv. Her missing posters were all over downtown/uptown NOLA but not so prominent in the suburbs like Jefferson Parish. My friend who is a LE officer in Baton Rouge didn't know about Mickey's case until a week or more after she went missing and I told him about it (he doesn't watch the local news or facebook, etc). I was SHOCKED at this and posted about it here.

And I (and others) realized how much of the population drives white 4 door trucks after the pics of the DWT were released. Seems like at least half of the male population in south Louisiana has them and about a third of those are 4 door Z71s (not really, but it seemed like it). Once you start looking for them around here, they are everywhere.

I'm also not sure the officer ever saw BSL's vehicle. I think the officer talked to BSL in/at the hospital. I think the hospital staff contacted LE and I can see the LE officer coming to emergency room or wherever BSL was in the hospital to take a report. BSL never mentioned his car being attacked/having evdience from the phantom attack/robery by the phantom Saints-jersey-wearing man so why would the officer need to be taken out to his car? I don't remember it being in the officer's report that the type of vehicle BSL had was ever mentioned. I think he may have said to the officer "I got out of my truck and then blah blah" but I don't think he told the officer "I got out of my four door white Z71 and then...." Plus, the pics of the Z71 weren't released until days after BSL went to Oschner/talked with the JP officer, so at that time, JP officer didn't know the truck was connected to the missing persons case...also at this time on Saturday evening May 20, I don't think many people besides Mickey's family & close friends knew she was missing. I'm not even sure LE had agreed to classify her as missing yet...they may have still been trying to convince her family to call local hospitals, wait and she may turn up, etc.

I think that was surely plenty of multi-institutional/jurisdictional blindness for a while in this case, but that it wasn't limited to the repsonding officer alone. I don't know if he even knew BSL drove a white 4 door Z71. I also don't know how much attention he paid to Mickey's case.

Many people I know wrote it off as either a drunk-driving accident someone was trying to cover up or even worse, when I told people about it, they responded with "well, she was riding her bike alone at 2am!" like her case didn't deserve their attention because she had invited whatever had happened by being out late alone (this was something I never heard people in Lafayette say, but in BR and the NOLA suburbs), I heard it many, many times. My mom put one of Mickey's missing posters in her yard in NOLA and her neighbor came out and sneered at it and said "well, don't ride your bike at 2am." This neighbor has a daughter who graudated from UL who surely at one time or another was out alone at 2am, even if it was just walking from her car to her front door. The daughter still lives in the Lafayette area and I was shocked that she was so unconcerned that a potential abductor could be living so close to her daughter.
 
  • #1,897
JUSTWANNAHELP ~

Perhaps you should ask Someguy to elaborate. He has given us good info here before and I believe he would know the relations. He is a half brother to BSL,
Correct me if I am wrong. He was kind enough to share family info earlier on in the investigation. Don't know if he is still active on WS tho.

I'm almost positive someguy stated that he was not BSL's brother.
 
  • #1,898
If I had to guess a strand of her hair or even a tiny bit of blood of hers on his clothes which they can examine to see if it's from someone that's deceased.

Is it possible to tell from blood that a person is alive or dead? I can't find this information from googling it. Blood that leaves the body will clot and change from blood inside the body but I don't know if you can tell if it is from a deceased victim.
 
  • #1,899
Is it possible to tell from blood that a person is alive or dead? I can't find this information from googling it. Blood that leaves the body will clot and change from blood inside the body but I don't know if you can tell if it is from a deceased victim.

I'm not sure if you can always tell if a bloodstain came from an alive or a dead person if that's your question. I kind of doubt it though. From a recent case in Florida I learned about post mortem banding on hair evidence that shows the likelihood the person who supplied the hair was dead. JMO.
 
  • #1,900
Is it possible to tell from blood that a person is alive or dead? I can't find this information from googling it. Blood that leaves the body will clot and change from blood inside the body but I don't know if you can tell if it is from a deceased victim.

Yes. It's determined by blood count. If he kept anything from his truck that night before burning it, or any clothes he had on, it could be determined if hair or blood was from someone who was deceased at the time. He went home with her after she was dead, I'm sure something of his still contained her blood after she was deceased.

Forensics have come a long way :)
 
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