Breaking News Archive - 20th - 26th Aug

[ragland]

wow yall, i just read that physc profile on karr and i thought i was freaked out by him before, this guy is a total nut job!

and i dont even want to hear about the "oh he was molested, its not his fault" lots of folks have been molested and never turn out crazy as this dude. oh poor JBR i cant believe this woman is trying to make all this money off her. that breaks my heart to think there arent any good, honest, decent folks willing to just help for the sake of helping.

 

[aspidistra]

Whether she makes money from selling her information or not, we should be glad she kept the information. The police just shrugged it off at the time. She worked for them to try to get him to confide in her and he did. The work disgusted her and she did it to try to get him off the streets. However he stopped short of "confessing" to any specific crime. So it was just shelved.

The whole thing about an abuser having been abused as a child is carried even further with him...because his abuser was also abused...it is so bewildering for us and so terrible not to even know where the blame began. Of course he is still responsible for his actions and any crimes he committed. But psychological profiles can show us many times that child abuse causes child abusers. And maybe he will be found to be so mentally ill that his legal counsel will use that as a defense. It's too soon to know how they would defend him.

 

[Helena U]

Maybe MrsMush, you could try there.
She's come out with all sorts of crazy things.
Even as recently as Patsy's death...'Patsy has her victory now'.
It's not the only time she has used words out of the ransom note either.

John and Patsy used the word "victory" pretty frequently in interviews, too, among others from the ransom note. Their excuse at one point was that they had internalized the language from the note.

 

[Helena U]

You are so right about this, Buzz. This has been one of my fears since this whole JMK fiasco started.

Then let's hope he gets one hell of a lawyer who hisn't willing to sell him down the river, and the FACTS can finally come out.

 

[MrsMush99]

Then let's hope he gets one hell of a lawyer who hisn't willing to sell him down the river, and the FACTS can finally come out.

I sure do hope the facts do finally come out. I'm so confused as to what is fact and what is not.

 

[ragland]

i do agree with you that im glad she kept it, but i guess im just different. its kind of like when i have an oppurtunity to do something for free for elderly people i do....without charging them ya know. i guess i just feel like for JBR's sake i couldnt make a profit off her murder. maybe its just me i dunno

 

[MrsMush99]

i do agree with you that im glad she kept it, but i guess im just different. its kind of like when i have an oppurtunity to do something for free for elderly people i do....without charging them ya know. i guess i just feel like for JBR's sake i couldnt make a profit off her murder. maybe its just me i dunno

It's not just you. I stated in a post, probably a couple of pages back, that I am disgusted with these people making money off the death of a little angel. Including, Karr's family and his defense attornies. Just appalled.

 

[ragland]

oh i forgot about the family, oh yeah , im with ya thats down right crazy.....its just tacky! i couldnt do it, i wouldnt want to be associated with making money off this lil girls death.

 

[EasyGruuvin]

If you didnt see tonight's Larry King Live try to watch it the week of 9/11 . Dr. K. Ablow has made it definate that I for one, like many at WS, am not a good Forensic Psychiatrist. He has JMK all figured out showing interviews with past wives and so forth, expaining as it goes on. I like the way he makes us understand so well what he is trying to say, being the layman most of us are. I see the story differently now.

 

[LaMer]

John and Patsy used the word "victory" pretty frequently in interviews, too, among others from the ransom note. Their excuse at one point was that they had internalized the language from the note.

That doesn't make any sense. One would think, they would cringe at the word, not internalize the word! Whacky to think we would believe that! Hmmmmppttt!

 

[LaMer]

If you didnt see tonight's Larry King Live try to watch it the week of 9/11 . Dr. K. Ablow has made it definate that I for one, like many at WS, am not a good Forensic Psychiatrist. He has JMK all figured out showing interviews with past wives and so forth, expaining as it goes on. I like the way he makes us understand so well what he is trying to say, being the layman most of us are. I see the story differently now.

In the past, I can remember when I didn't agree with him.

I did hear his take on JMK the other night, it all made so much sense! YES!

 

[Texana]

It's not just you. I stated in a post, probably a couple of pages back, that I am disgusted with these people making money off the death of a little angel. Including, Karr's family and his defense attornies. Just appalled.

I agree. Just like the OJ trial. Everyone got rich except for Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman, who couldn't, because they were, of course, dead.

 

[Hyatt]

I really wish the ex-wife #1 would stop with the media interviews also. Saw her tonight describing how horribly controlling JMK was. And everyone else coming out of the woodwork contaminating the potential jury pool. Fortunately there was someone on either CNN or FNC tonight who said that the people of Boulder County often don't pay attention to a lot of the news!

I agree with you regarding the ex-wife and everyone else stepping up for their 5 seconds of fame. This is about making a quick buck. At this point, the only thing I feel I know for sure about this guy is that I know next to nothing. Way too many limelight grabbers at this point for anyone to see clearly.

JMO

 

[WhiteWolf]

If you didnt see tonight's Larry King Live try to watch it the week of 9/11 . Dr. K. Ablow has made it definate that I for one, like many at WS, am not a good Forensic Psychiatrist. He has JMK all figured out showing interviews with past wives and so forth, expaining as it goes on. I like the way he makes us understand so well what he is trying to say, being the layman most of us are. I see the story differently now.

He's really good, isn't he?

 

[Hyatt]

San Jose attorneys say they are representing Karr

A former prosecutor who has been cited by judges three times for giving incorrect legal advice announced Wednesday that her small San Jose law firm is representing JonBenet Ramsay murder suspect John Mark Karr.

Jamie Harmon said she and associate Patience Van Zandt, who represented Karr in a 2001 child pornography case in Sonoma County, were retained by Karr that morning.

Harmon is not unaccustomed to seeing her name in newspapers. Earlier this year, she was one of the subjects of a Mercury News series that that examined questionable actions by prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges.

Harmon, 49, had been cited by judges on three occasions for giving incorrect legal advice to clients, isolated instances that Harmon has said are not illustrative of a 23-year career that has involved hundreds of cases. Wednesday she portrayed herself the victim of a political agenda.

In one case in 2002 involved client Ralph Cortez who was charged with sexual molestation. Although he maintained his innocence, he agreed to plead no contest based on Harmon's counsel. He later changed his mind and declared Harmon's advice was wrong.

As proof, he submitted a secret tape recording -- made weeks after his plea -- in which Harmon is heard telling Cortez he could petition to have his name expunged from the state's sex offender registry. In reality, Cortez would have had to apply after a 10-year period and hope for a governor's pardon.

After hearing the tape, Judge Edward Lee allowed Cortez to withdraw his plea, but not before saying, ``There is something in this case that simply stinks.''

A graduate of Santa Clara University's law school, Harmon passed the bar in 1983. She served as a prosecutor from 1986 to 1999, leaving the district attorney's office and entering private practice.

Van Zandt, 39, a McGeorge School of Law graduate, was admitted to the bar in 1995. She also served on the Marin County Juvenile Justice Commission.[

I initially read that it was Van Zandt and not Harmon who had the above problems with problematic legal advice. I think I read that somewhere yesterday.

JMO

 

[Buzz Mills]

I initially read that it was Van Zandt and not Harmon who had the above problems with problematic legal advice. I think I read that somewhere yesterday.

JMO

Hyatt, the local San Jose news had the wrong attoney in their first news release, and corrected themselves later. There have been more errors in news releases on this case, than I have ever seen before.

 

[Hyatt]

she has had her problems--she doesn't come across well at all.

I don't agree. I think that she comes across as authentic. And I find that she gives information but also knows when to stop. I've never heard of her before, so I could be wrong regarding what she's all about - but she comes across to me as intelligent and professional.And I agree with what she said on LKL: child-related sex crimes are about the worst thing out there and even when later people are proven to be innocent, their lives remain ruined because of any association, even if unproven or however remote, to the one thing that most disgusts people. So I agree with her that one must be particularly prudent regarding these issues. And in this case, there has already been much information which has had to be retracted. It is scary to think that just about anyone could make such an accusation about someone and no matter how ludicrous, many people would continue believing it. So, as I was listening to the Wendy Hutchens tape excerpts, I kept thinking: what was the WHOLE context of those statements? can we be sure of the speaker's identity? And what was SHE saying back to him? I mean she mentioned that LE had encouraged her to act like SHE wanted to participate in child-related sexual activity. So how do we know that maybe HE was suspicious of HER and pumping HER for more info, just as she was doing to him?

You know what? In my wildest dreams, I never thought that this case could possibly have ever become even more of a circus than it was in the past. It is all just weirder and weirder.

JMO

 

[Hyatt]

Hyatt, the local San Jose news had the wrong attoney in their first news release, and corrected themselves later. There have been more errors in news releases on this case, than I have ever seen before.

Well, i agree with you on your last point. I have now read in several net articles that Karr was convicted of the kiddie porn charges. And I have come across many other mistakes. We should start a thread on misinformation on the media thus far.

JMO

 

[Hyatt]

Carthage woman says she knew John Mark Karr

"I'm surprised at what he confessed to, but I'm not surprised that he confessed to something that's grabbing headlines. It doesn't surprise me," said Janna Jones.

Jones went to high school with John Mark Karr in Hamilton, Alabama. She remembers Karr as being quiet and awkward. Although Karr kept to himself, Jones says he cried out for attention and wanted to be recognized.

"He was very noticeable because he had a Lamborghini. It was the only one I ever saw in Alabama," said Jones.

Did John Mark Karr really kill JonBenet Ramsey? A Carthage woman who went to high school with Karr says she believes he didn't do it. And as News 10 Now's Amy Ohler explains, she says Karr's confession is a way for him to get instant notoriety.

Jones, who now lives in Carthage, says when she saw Karr in the news it didn't surprise her. She believes Karr confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey because he wants his name nationally known.

"He wants people to know who he is that's the bottom line. He just wants his name on everybody's lips. He wants the attention pure and simple, and that's what we're giving him, he's feeding off of us," said Jones.

Jones says she knows Karr didn't kill JonBenet. She believes he's not crazy and that this is all part of his plan to get notoriety.

"Even if the charges are dropped, people are always going to remember who John Karr is. It's perfect in a way, because he didn't have to commit the crime to make history," said Jones.

Jones believes when Karr confessed he knew exactly what he was doing.

http://news10now.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=77325

If all of the above were true, why didn't he turn himself in, rather than wait to be arrested half-way across the world. Does't make sense to me.

What I think is that he, like many old posters on the forum, he MAY (and this is if I believe Tracey at some level, and I am not sure that I do) have been trying to pass as somehow related to the case, in order to stimulate interest through the net regarding himself. I'm sure we have all come across many cases of people trying to convince us or hint that they are somehow connected to someone or something famous. I think that this may have happened here. I recall when i posted here about 7 years ago, there were posters who seemed to be hinting at being personally involved in the case.

JMO

 

[JBean]

Thought I would set this up and get ready for the new newsday discussion.