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When JB's house was listed for sale, didn't a ws member go to view it and said that an "unkept" man and his gf were staying there? Also that the house was a mess and smelled of cat urine? Who was this guy? and gf?
 
When JB's house was listed for sale, didn't a ws member go to view it and said that an "unkept" man and his gf were staying there? Also that the house was a mess and smelled of cat urine? Who was this guy? and gf?

Wasn't that Truthspider? I remember, he was around there then and posted, but right now I'm obviously to stupid to find his old post about that house.
 
Wasn't that Truthspider? I remember, he was around there then and posted, but right now I'm obviously to stupid to find his old post about that house.

No not stupid. I THINK it was in the drifter thread. I hope the mods return it evenually. We really need it. :please:
 
Wasn't that Truthspider? I remember, he was around there then and posted, but right now I'm obviously to stupid to find his old post about that house.

I remember the comment. It was not Truthspider. Am not sure it was even a member that went to the house. I think it was a member who paraphrased a comment by someone else who went to the house.
 
That author says it's partially ficitionalized, so it's definitely not completely factual.

The "drifter" is not a drifter, he's a longtime West Islip resident who happened to stay at JB's house for awhile. It seems pretty clear to me that he did, indeed, write this book. I'm sort of puzzled why people think someone would write a book ostensibly claiming to be someone else - someone else who happens to be alive and able to refute it.

Some have stated that it's possible someone might have made a phone call to MG claiming to be someone else. Is that not puzzling to you, also?

Oh, and there were some rumors of the drifter being a tug boat captain.
 
Some have stated that it's possible someone might have made a phone call to MG claiming to be someone else. Is that not puzzling to you, also?
I don't see how that's similar. Did the "someone" who it was claimed to be then refute it? Is it harder to track down and sue a phone caller than the author of a book?

Oh, and there were some rumors of the drifter being a tug boat captain.
Once again, I don't see the point - does a tug boat captain not have the ability to write a book?
 
I don't see how that's similar. Did the "someone" who it was claimed to be then refute it? Is it harder to track down and sue a phone caller than the author of a book?


Once again, I don't see the point - does a tug boat captain not have the ability to write a book?

I think the "tug boat captain" rumor may be just a sarcastic remark. In CPH's father's obit, it says he was a tug boat captain and he was in the Army, not Navy.
 
MP, the guy with the foot prints (forgot his name), 3xJS(?), all direct neighbors of CPH, JB, half of the psychics East of the Mississipi, about five dozen journalists who claimed to have been there long before the police actually paid attention to the case, Varus and his lost legions and who know else. Hey even our old friend Truthspider was hanging out there and talked to everybody. And everybody talked to everybody claiming that all they heard was what they so sure knew. The usual mess.
What I still try to figure out is, the night SG went into that marsh, one police officer was there. Did he speak to JB? We know, he didn't speak to MP because he was gone already. If he was at JB's place, how many people did this officer actually see there?

No, he did not talk to JB because he didn't know that the girl came from JB's house that night. GC didn't even know where she came from when she knocked at his door. It wasn't until later the police talked to JB.
 
I don't see how that's similar.

I DO see it as similar.

Once again, I don't see the point - does a tug boat captain not have the ability to write a book?

Well, of course a tug boat captain has the ability to write a book.

Did the author state in his book that he is/was a tug boat captain?
 
I think the "tug boat captain" rumor may be just a sarcastic remark. In CPH's father's obit, it says he was a tug boat captain and he was in the Army, not Navy.

That's not what I was talking about. It was mentioned in the "drifter" thread and the "rumor" thread. (so it is not fact-based but it was suspected)
 
From Brewer’s we head to Gus Coletti’s. We’ve both seen him in interviews but we wanted to meet him in person and ask him a few questions ourselves. Sandy parks her truck in front of his house and by the time we get to the steps of his deck he is standing inside his front door. He comes out and we exchange pleasantries and explain that we are friends of Shannan’s family. He is friendly and receives us without hesitation.

“So what did she do she just ran out? She was just…” Sandy asks.

“Well first off she comes banging on the door, yelling and screaming for help. I was shaving and gettin’ ready to go upstate. So I come out and open the door and she came in. And she stands right here,” he says, moving to the exact spot inside where she had stood. “That’s as far as she got. She kept on yelling for help. And I kept on saying to her, ‘What’s the matter. Tell me what’s the matter and I’ll help ya.’ And she just kept on yellin’ ‘help, help me’. And then she started to fall backwards. So I turned around, picked up the phone and called police right way. And I turned to her afterwards, hung up the phone and said ‘I called the police. They’re on the way here. Somebody will help ya’. As soon as I said that - out the door she went.”

“Do you know Joseph Brewer?” asks Sandy.

“Do I know Joe Brewer? I know who he is. He’s not one of my favorite people though,” Coletti responds.

“Michael Pak, the driver, when he said to you that you shouldn’t have called police because she’s gonna get in a lot of trouble, did he seem to say that in a manner that was threatening to her?” I ask.

“No,” Coletti responds. “And I said to him ‘well, I’ll tell you right now so are you if you don’t stop right here. I called the police and I know who you are now’.”

“Now where was she last seen?” I ask, leading him onto his deck. “I’ve seen you in a couple of interviews but it’s always so hard to tell.”

He comes outside and walks to his right along the deck and points to the reeds along the road of the Fairway. “She comes out here and tries to get in the reeds. But she can’t because they were higher then.”

“And Michael Pak is where at this point?” I ask.

“I haven’t seen him yet. And she runs to that house next door and bangin’ on the door for help again. Then she turned around and came back in the road to right about there,” he says pointing to the middle of the roadway, “and she stopped. And starts lookin’ back and I’m wonderin’ what she’s lookin’ at. And I’m standin’ here waitin’. And she takes off here and ran around here,” he says, with his arm out tracing her route from the middle of the roadway to across his front lawn and then behind his boat. “She went right underneath the edge of the boat.”

“She was obviously afraid of someone wasn’t she?” asks Sandy.

“Yes,” replies Coletti. “And then I saw the car coming. And I said oh- this guy’s after her. So I came here and ran down there,” pointing to his steps and front yard. “And I stopped him right out there. And I asked him where he thought he was going. And that’s when he says, ‘oh well we had a party up at Brewer’s house and one of the young girls got upset and left and I’m tryin’ to find her to bring her back.’ Well I’ve already called the police, that’s what I told him and they’re on the way’ I said.”

“That was a good thing,” says Sandy.

“And he said ‘oh, you shouldn’t of done that. She’s gonna get in a lot of trouble.’ And I said ‘so are you if you leave’,” Coletti says.

“So you really tried to get him to stay,” I say. “And then Shannan darted off to where?” I ask.

“And then all of a sudden,” he continues, “out she came and went around that house,” he says, pointing to the house directly across from his by the gate.”

“Around that house right there?” I say, pointing.

“Yeah.”

“Toward Anchor Way. That house right there?” I ask.

“Yeah but that house wasn’t there then. There was a little bungalow,” he says.

“And he took off after her. And did u ever see Brewer?” I ask.

“No.”

“Anyone else after that? It was just him? An Asian guy,” I ask.

“Yeah. So what I did I ran back up here and I told my wife…”

Here a car drives slowly by and Coletti stops talking.

“Anyone we should be concerned about?” asks Sandy.

“No, that’s just the neighbors coming home from work,” he says. “So I told my wife – she was downstairs here. I said stay here and watch for anyone else coming down the street. I’m going down to let the police in. And I waited for the police and I opened up the gate so they could get in and I told ‘em the direction she went in.”

“About how long was that after you last saw her?”

“About 45 minutes,” he responds.

“Wow,” I say.

“And that was the direction of Hackett’s house wasn’t it - over there that way?” asks Sandy.

“Yeah,” responds Coletti.

“And you never saw Michael Pak’s SUV again?” I ask.

“No,” he responds.

“You know Mr. Hackett?” asks Sandy.

“Yes I do.”

“Nice man?” asks Sandy.

“If I had a choice. He’d be living next door to me,” he replies.

“Okay,” Sandy says.

“There’s very few people here in this community that don’t get along,” Coletti says.

“I have a question. Was she wearing a leather jacket?” I ask.

“Over her shoulder,” he says.

“Wow, you remember everything,” Sandy says.

“Oh yeah I do,” he responds.

“Sandals or boots on,” I ask.

“I don’t know. I didn’t look. I know that she had a tank top on. Not a halter.”

“One earring or two?” I ask.

“I didn’t…”

“Did she say she was frightened of…what did she..?” asks Sandy.

“No, she just kept yelling – help, help,” he says.

“Oh god…we gotta find this woman,” Sandy says.

“Do you have any theories yourself?” I ask.

“I sure do…I don’t think she was murdered. I think she went in the water.”

“Well, don’t you think the body would have washed up eventually?” asks Sandy.

“Sure. If it was an incoming tide that morning. There’s gotta be 35-40 little islands between here and Patchogue. No inhabitants on any one of ‘em. She coulda washed up on one she’d be there forever. And that’s more than likely where she is.”

“Did they have the police dogs sniffing around?” Sandy asks.

“Right away or…?” he asks.

“Well, in December,” says Sandy.

“December they did.”

“All in the drainage and everything?” she asks.

“Yeah. January they were back again. Mike was here with the dog.”

“Blue?” I ask.

“John Mallia?” Sandy asks.

“Yeah. I told him. I was talkin’ to him. He left and came in and I told him we got it recorded. So he said they tell me it wasn’t working. So I say that’s right somebody wiped the camera clean.”

“Someone did wipe the camera clean?” I ask.

“Yeah. Somebody in here,” he says, using his thumb to point over his shoulder.

“Yeah, but wasn’t Hackett in charge of the camera?” Sandy asks.

“No, he was not. Charlie Serota was.”

“Charles Serota?”

“Hmm.”

“When did he come over with Blue. How far after…”

“I don’t know,” says Coletti. “This is just what I was told. I didn’t witness it. But the real thing that we keep when you come in here you punch your code in it records the time you come in.”

“And it takes a snapshot of your license plate right?” I ask.

“Yeah,” he says.

“That’s on a hard drive. And the entire hard drive is wiped clean?” I ask.

“No, no. I turned that over to the police.”

“Oh you did. So they have the hard drive?” Sandy says.

He nods.

“So ostensibly you would know…” I begin to say.

“But there was no car that came in or out of there in over a half hour,” he says.

“So she’s gotta be in this area,” says Sandy. “Here some place.”

more here

The one thing GC said that supports the theory that SG ran into the reeds that night instead of knocking on CPH's door and gettin' treatment from CPH is that GC saw with his own two eyes how SG was trying to run into reeds to hide.
 
more here

The one thing GC said that supports the theory that SG ran into the reeds that night instead of knocking on CPH's door and gettin' treatment from CPH is that GC saw with his own two eyes how SG was trying to run into reeds to hide.

Even if she "ran into the reeds", GC can't see CPH's house from his door... at dawn. I even question if he saw an Asian man in the SUV like he claims. Unless you are close to the vehicle, at dawn, with the windows rolled down, it would be difficult to see much of anything INSIDE the vehicle.
 
Even if she "ran into the reeds", GC can't see CPH's house from his door... at dawn. I even question if he saw an Asian man in the SUV like he claims. Unless you are close to the vehicle, at dawn, with the windows rolled down, it would be difficult to see much of anything INSIDE the vehicle.

Have you heard MP talk? You can tell he's Asian by his voice.
 
Nope. Thanks for letting me know.

He talks on A documentary on YouTube called America's Serial Killer: True stories. It was done by BBC. His voice or accent per say sounds like his parents were first generation Americans.
 
Even if she "ran into the reeds", GC can't see CPH's house from his door... at dawn. I even question if he saw an Asian man in the SUV like he claims. Unless you are close to the vehicle, at dawn, with the windows rolled down, it would be difficult to see much of anything INSIDE the vehicle.

Only, MP went out of the SZUV. He asked GC whether he had called the police and when GC said, he had done, MP said something like "she is in trouble now". So, they spoke ... face to face ...
 
"The one thing GC said that supports the theory that SG ran into the reeds that night instead of knocking on CPH's door and gettin' treatment from CPH is that GC saw with his own two eyes how SG was trying to run into reeds to hide." QUOTE


IIRC SG ran down to the end of Anchor Way to BB's House.
BB called 911 without opening the door, but told the police that she saw SG and that she went into the marsh across the street from her home. BB was the last to see SG as far as we know.

GC - from his house - can't see down Anchor Way or where SG went to hide in the marsh or BB's house. It's not possible.
 
Now I am getting really confused.

We got ....
the real drifter
a not real drifter
an author who may or not be the drifter
a drifter who does drugs
a drifter from West Islip
a drifter who was at JB's house that night
a drifter who was not at JB's house that night
a drifter who has spoken to LE or maybe not.
a drifter who may have gone South

If anybody knows the real drifter, can you verify if he wrote the book?

MOO
kinda shocked drifter guy is not here openly on ws. maybe fieldnotes ought to invite him to be in the discussions...and join ws.

then we can actually ask him questions.....ourselves and get answers.
 
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