Brendan Dassey: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's rape, torture, and murder?

[MrX]

Were you with Steven and his brother at Avery Salvage Yard at the time?

No. I believe he targeted Teresa, got her to his place at a time when he knew there wouldn't be any adults around, raped her, murdered her and burned her body.

Weren't the "lights" supposed to be the cops sneaking into his place to use an eye dropper to collect blood that they were hoping to get lucky enough to find in his sink?

Every time I ask for a more likely version of what happened, people always stop once they realize how ridiculous it starts sounding.

 

[missy1974]

No. I believe he targeted Teresa, got her to his place at a time when he knew there wouldn't be any adults around, raped her, murdered her and burned her body.

Weren't the "lights" supposed to be the cops sneaking into his place to use an eye dropper to collect blood that they were hoping to get lucky enough to find in his sink?

Every time I ask for a more likely version of what happened, people always stop once they realize how ridiculous it starts sounding.

I don't recall you ever asking anyone here what they think happened.

As for Zellner's theory ... or a likely scenario, it can be found here: Avery’s Appeals Documents – Steven Avery Trial Transcripts and Documents

I don't think it's been said that it was LE's lights on the Thursday night. I don't have time to dispute everything that you have stated, but will suggest that you read all of the documents and go from there I would start at looking at all the evidence that shows she was raped, shouldn't take long!

 

[Karinna]

Im a new member and not sure where to post really... but im wondering about the narrative given by Brendan about hearing screams and all the talking to him by TH. I would think if your in a flimsy trailer with neighbors you would use a gag or duck tape or something to keep the victim quiet. I think someone in that family may have done something, or not... but some family wanted Steven to be guilty and Brenden may have picked up on that and so felt it was ok to make up his story...

Hi * Welcome to the thread.
My thinking is more along the lines of things Brendan had seen and heard while living where he did with his older brothers.
Perhaps Brendan was a witness to some of the violent and macabre B0D had been obsessively watching for many hours on the internet? Others have theorised he got his narrative from the book "Kiss the Girls" that he had read?

 

[Karinna]

Objection: Argumentative.

Brendan Dassey, 11/06/2005: "Just when we seem them hi, them ah headlights and them taillights."

Brendan didn't see lights (no one saw lights, because there weren't any), was told to say they (Steve and Chuckie) saw lights. My point is that if nothing happened, and Teresa left at 2:45, why is the kid already talking nonsense?



True, but I don't think one needs to learn German and Russian to come to grips with what happened at Stalingrad. Summarizing data is also a beautiful thing - one that makes our world go around.

The "kid" as you call him meaning Brendan "talking nonsense" as you put it, should have had that coerced confession as inadmissable in any court of law, seeing all of the inconsistences and fabrications that he brought forth in his interrogations where information was also fed to him by the interrogators.
The whole trial of Brendan Dassey was a farce.

 

[Karinna]

No. I believe he targeted Teresa, got her to his place at a time when he knew there wouldn't be any adults around, raped her, murdered her and burned her body.

Weren't the "lights" supposed to be the cops sneaking into his place to use an eye dropper to collect blood that they were hoping to get lucky enough to find in his sink?

Every time I ask for a more likely version of what happened, people always stop once they realize how ridiculous it starts sounding.

This is a pdf document from Marinette County Sherrif's Department Supplemental Report Investigative Division, where you can read about
(quote)
Steven also told me
that on Friday night when Chuck (Brendan Dassey was with Chuck)
was on his way “up north” that Chuck had called Steven from his cell phone to Steven’s
phone sometime after 8:00 P.M. while Steven was outside talking to his nephew Bobby
(who had his four
-
w
heeler) and that Chuck had told him that he had seen some headlights
back in the salvage yard by Chuck’s house. Steven told me that he and Bobby got into
Steven’s truck and drove back to the yard area to investigate.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...1/Steven-Avery-Interview-Report-2005Nov05.pdf

 

[MrX]

And here we remain. Not one iota of evidence that rises to the level of exoneration or retrial.

I get it - the way they presented Brendan's footage broke my heart, too. But give me something - put your names on an alternative theory. Jodi's Ninjas? Jason Young's "burglars?" Scott Peterson's "bikers?"

 

[Karinna]

And here we remain. Not one iota of evidence that rises to the level of exoneration or retrial.

I get it - the way they presented Brendan's footage broke my heart, too. But give me something - put your names on an alternative theory. Jodi's Ninjas? Jason Young's "burglars?" Scott Peterson's "bikers?"

There is a thread here that discusses alternate theories
Alternate Theories
And as far as a Retrial or Exoneration that is the legal process Ms. Zellner is going through right now and we will just have to wait and see what happens with it all as it can be a lengthy process to get that.

 

[proudfootz]

As it seems apparent that the investigation by law enforcement employees was deliberately botched, and the prosecution withheld potentially exculpatory evidence from the defense (both examples of obstruction of justice IMO), at the very least a retrial is in order.

Just MOO.

 

[proudfootz]

Unlike other cases, we have in this one a clear history of hostility toward Steven Avery among people employed in law enforcement. Which is how Steven ended up spending many years in prison for a crime he was entirely innocent of.

In my estimation making analogies to other situations where that is not the case will fail.

All MOO.

 

[SJ16321]

The prosecutor had a story to tell, and the fictional parts just made his story more dramatic, so he went right along repeating them. Steve wasn't being tried because he may have used more restraints than the "novelty cuffs. " Very small detail next to the rape and murder.

A prosecutor can't justify lies because it makes a better story, if they want to tell a story become an author. If a prosecutor is caught out telling a lie then the case should automatically collapse. How can we trust anything else they say if they're just making things up? It totally destroys their credibility.

The Dassey case highlights major problems with the US justice system. People who have any issue that makes them vulnerable should be protected and never be interviewed alone. The whole reason LE made sure they interviewed him alone was because any sensible adult would never have allowed them to conduct the interview the way they did. Any American who has a kid with a learning disability or similar should be absolutely terrified after seeing this interview, that could be your kid one day and there's clearly nothing in the system to protect them.

I can't be sure that Avery didn't do it but Dassey deserves a retrial. He'll never get one though as they know without that confession they've got absolutely nothing and he'll walk out of court a free man. That can't be allowed to happen at any cost as it's too embarrassing for the state given the media attention on this case.

 

[rachel english]

Hi * Welcome to the thread.
My thinking is more along the lines of things Brendan had seen and heard while living where he did with his older brothers.
Perhaps Brendan was a witness to some of the violent and macabre B0D had been obsessively watching for many hours on the internet? Others have theorised he got his narrative from the book "Kiss the Girls" that he had read?

 

[rachel english]

I am of the same mind as well, that a lot of Brendens confession may have been from some things he saw on the internet or heard from his older brothers. I do believe that in the beginning Barb Janda and Scott T wanted to make sure Steven was or looked guilty... Brenden picked up on that, thinking he would be going along with what his family wanted, so making up the story and really embellishing was ok in his mind, not realizing he was walking into a trap himself. And again I wondered why no one on the defense or prosecution ever ask about her being gagged, silenced etc.... I know Steven has a low IQ, but that is almost the first thing you do when attacking someone right.... like we heard in the Kavanaugh case... LOL put your hand over the victims mouth or some way keep them quiet. So when Kratz at his press conference said Brenden heard screams while still far away from the trailer it raised a red flag in my mind right away... I cant say Im totally convinced, but certainly I would have had to say not guilty if I was on the jury for both of their trials because all of the shenanigans and screw ups. guilty or not they should have been freed, which is what happens in a lot of cases and why LE has never had the safety of the public in mind....

 

[MrX]

A prosecutor can't justify lies because it makes a better story, if they want to tell a story become an author. If a prosecutor is caught out telling a lie then the case should automatically collapse. How can we trust anything else they say if they're just making things up? It totally destroys their credibility.

I sat at the defense table while it happened to me and there's only so much a defense attorney can do. It started to become a circus, arguing about something that was ultimately tangential to the matter at hand. I volunteer on a site that helps people with Civil matters and it's the same story - all of this "hair splitting" about technicalities that distract from the essence of the case.

 

[proudfootz]

I am of the same mind as well, that a lot of Brendens confession may have been from some things he saw on the internet or heard from his older brothers. I do believe that in the beginning Barb Janda and Scott T wanted to make sure Steven was or looked guilty... Brenden picked up on that, thinking he would be going along with what his family wanted, so making up the story and really embellishing was ok in his mind, not realizing he was walking into a trap himself. And again I wondered why no one on the defense or prosecution ever ask about her being gagged, silenced etc.... I know Steven has a low IQ, but that is almost the first thing you do when attacking someone right.... like we heard in the Kavanaugh case... LOL put your hand over the victims mouth or some way keep them quiet. So when Kratz at his press conference said Brenden heard screams while still far away from the trailer it raised a red flag in my mind right away... I cant say Im totally convinced, but certainly I would have had to say not guilty if I was on the jury for both of their trials because all of the shenanigans and screw ups. guilty or not they should have been freed, which is what happens in a lot of cases and why LE has never had the safety of the public in mind....

BBM

There's a certain amount of mistakes which I could accept as being honest oversights, but there's also a point where it crosses over into gross incompetence or deliberate obstruction of justice.

I have the benefit of having more evidence to consider than the juries had available to them in 2007, but I hope that if I had an opportunity to read the transcripts of the sessions between Brendan and the various law enforcement employees I'd have been able to discern the pattern of manipulation and coaching they used to shape the narrative into what they wanted it to be.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

BBM

There's a certain amount of mistakes which I could accept as being honest oversights, but there's also a point where it crosses over into gross incompetence or deliberate obstruction of justice.

They're either too malicious to trust or too incompetent.

Either they are truly bad at their jobs and you can legitimately question the quality of their outcome, or you have a corrupt criminal justice system and you can legitimately question the outcome.

 

[Saul Vesalot]

all of this "hair splitting" about technicalities that distract from the essence of the case.

"You guys keep focusing on the faulty wiring or the flooded basement or the toxic black mold, none of you are paying attention to the fact that this is a perfectly fine house otherwise."

 

[Poedelini]

I don't think he is guilty. And i was kind of shocked that the supreme court denied his case. So close at getting out, yet they prevented it.

 

[Sustained]

After listening to all of his interviews and conversations with his mother, I am 100% convinced Brendan was involved to some extent with SA.

 

[CoolJ]

After listening to all of his interviews and conversations with his mother, I am 100% convinced Brendan was involved to some extent with SA.

100%. That is a strong statement. How long will you hold that opinion I wonder?

I am the exact opposite. I am 100% convinced Brendan wasn't involved to any extent with SA. I guess we will just have to wait and see which one of us is dead wrong.

 

[proudfootz]

In the first interrogation of Brendan it's clear he believes Teresa is still alive, so that indicates to me he has no idea what happened to her and thus zero participation in any crimes against her.

All the allegedly incriminating remarks come after law enforcement employees begin inducing Brendan to lie.