Brendan Dassey's Habeas Corpus Petition Granted

[krkrjx]

1) because the hallbach family believes the evidence the cops told them about does not make them stupid. some people still do trust the police DA and judges.....sadly some people trust the wrong ones. i dont know if avery is guilty, and personaly, i think the guy is a psychopath regardless (burning a cat alive pretty much seals that for me) but brandan is just a scapegoat. an easy one.

2) about the rape case above, cops and prosecutors dont ever want to admit a mistake even when confronted with it. thats why melissa calusisnski is still sitting behind bars for something that never even happened.

I agree with every word.

SA was a thorn in LE's side for most of his life...in trouble for this or that, causing problems on many levels, and LE were powerless to do much about it because he never got in deep enough for them to really get him. So when the rape happened, they went out of their way to prove it was him. They wanted him behind bars and this was their chance. A witness was willing to identify him so they took the opportunity and ran with it even after questions arose about whether it could have been someone else--someone who SA resembled only slightly but enough that their star witness could be led to believe SA was the perp. With an eye witness to the crime and a defendant who came from the wrong side of the tracks, LE was in like Flynn in their effort to rid themselves of this guy who they considered a menace.

Real evidence ignored and other evidence (circumstantial) manufactured in that rape case is the reason I question the murder investigation. I have always believed Dassey could be innocent and that he had been coerced into his confession; I am not as convinced of SA's innocence and if anything comes of his attorney's efforts I hope it is not a technicality but rather something that leads to the truth of the matter. I am convinced that we have not yet heard the truth of the matter.

Respect of LE and the justice system is not automatic for me. Respect has to be earned; some jurisdictions do very well and others leave much to be desired. I have no respect for some authorities in the SA murder investigation and trial and given what has been proven to have occurred in that jurisdiction decades ago, it is only reasonable that people question things now.

So, SA was considered a menace. I have seen evidence that points toward this consideration not being out of line. SA at times acted out in ways that were scary. Still, that is not a reason to railroad someone. I don't know yet if the investigators and prosecutors railroaded SA with this crime but they did so with a previous crime and that is reason enough to consider they might have done so again.

LE and other persons in authority do not like being wrong but truth is, sometimes they are. If they could accept and admit and apologize, and do everything in their power to right those wrongs, we might have fewer innocent people imprisoned and fewer guilty people walking free. The desire for LE to save face is understandable but when it means continuing to condemn someone who they know might be innocent, it is beyond disturbing.

 

[Limaes]

It's been a while since I've been here but can you point me to where it's been said what actually happened to TH? I mean, by actual evidence and not the story Kratz made up.

I, and others, have posted the undisputable evidence many times. I have yet to see any type of evidence, in any shape or form, offered by those who feel evidence was planted.

 

[IDK]

IDK,
Interesting parallels in the Anthony Wright case... Coerced confession from a 20yr old, clothing stained with the vic's blood which family claims, did not belong to wright, and were not seized from their home as LE claimed. (none of wright's DNA on the clothes!).
http://6abc.com/news/1993-murder-conviction-overturned-by-dna/320080/

I read that a new trial was requested by the defence, so maybe they never filed for full exoneration? I'm hoping that detail makes the difference for Brandon!

Wow, thanks for the additional details, Safeguard. Sure seems like a setup as far as I'm concerned. Especially since there is now indisputable DNA evidence that the rape was committed by the crack addict. Thank goodness Anthony Wright is now proven innocent.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I, and others, have posted the undisputable evidence many times. I have yet to see any type of evidence, in any shape or form, offered by those who feel evidence was planted.

I'm still waiting for evidence that proves LE planted evidence in this case. JMO

 

[krkrjx]

I am bothered by how the car key was discovered in SA's home. There is no way to know how it got there. I suppose it is possible SA hid the key in his home but to me that just makes no sense. If he really did away with evidence of a murder in the manner in which LE claims, why be so careless with the key to the victim's vehicle? It does not compute. I will concede that SA could have been this careless but to me there is an equal amount of possibility that the RAV4 key was planted by someone else. I have seen nothing that shows without a doubt who put that key there and when.

 

[Safeguard]

I'm still waiting for evidence that proves LE planted evidence in this case. JMO

Brendan's entire confession was "planted". There you go.
Your welcome!

 

[Karinna]

I'm still waiting for evidence that proves LE planted evidence in this case. JMO

I think that would depend on how people read and interpret what's there in evidence, and sometimes when people have their mind made up they only see what they want to see, all IMO. Maybe some kind of blind spot that filters things out in the brain, i really dunno what it is.
I think in other high profile cases i have followed this type of thing happens over and again, so nothing unusual.

 

[Karinna]

I am bothered by how the car key was discovered in SA's home. There is no way to know how it got there. I suppose it is possible SA hid the key in his home but to me that just makes no sense. If he really did away with evidence of a murder in the manner in which LE claims, why be so careless with the key to the victim's vehicle? It does not compute. I will concede that SA could have been this careless but to me there is an equal amount of possibility that the RAV4 key was planted by someone else. I have seen nothing that shows without a doubt who put that key there and when.

I agree, and there are a lot of very questionable things in this case that should of shown lots of reasonable doubt, but i don't know what happened as to why the jury couldn't see that. IMO they have put two innocent people in prison for a murder that to me at least hasn't been proven 100%.
And especially Brendan Dassey. What they did to him was just plain cruel. No way to run a proper investigation that's for sure.
It makes me wonder about others that have been convicted in that town.

 

[Karinna]

And a real life story from my husband who was a kid growing up in Georgia in the 60's. He was in love as a teen with a girl that one of the cops in that place was sweet on. Well he was wrongfully put in jail by that cop on a traffic violation, a trumped up traffic violation of DUI. He was in there for a couple of days. Upon his release the cop in question told him to get out of dodge or else he better watch his back. He got out of there because being a kid he was very worried about what else of a stunt that might be placed on him. So yeah, small town cops can be ruthless.
I agree with something i read that what a pity after Avery's first wrongful conviction he ever went back to that place after being in jail for 18 yrs. He sure was game doing that after how they set him up for that.

 

[Karinna]

I, and others, have posted the undisputable evidence many times. I have yet to see any type of evidence, in any shape or form, offered by those who feel evidence was planted.

Do you think that when they set SA up for a rape he didn't commit and that he spent a lengthy stint in prison for, that the cops weren't able to set him up again when he was suing them for a ton of money that would of ruined their careers and pensions if Avery were to win his civil case? Seeing as insurance wasn't going to pay. They more than anyone had every reason & motive to set him up again. IMO.

 

[Limaes]

Brendan's entire confession was "planted". There you go.
Your welcome!

Factually incorrect. Only the March 1st confession was taken off the table.

 

[Limaes]

I am bothered by how the car key was discovered in SA's home. There is no way to know how it got there. I suppose it is possible SA hid the key in his home but to me that just makes no sense. If he really did away with evidence of a murder in the manner in which LE claims, why be so careless with the key to the victim's vehicle? It does not compute. I will concede that SA could have been this careless but to me there is an equal amount of possibility that the RAV4 key was planted by someone else. I have seen nothing that shows without a doubt who put that key there and when.

There are some that believe Avery is guilty that are undecided about the key also. For me, without proof that a LEO had possession of the key prior to finding it, or any other physical evidence, I will continue to believe that SA put that key where it fell from because he hadn't completed the destruction of the Rav 4. Finding anything at all in that trailer with Teresa's DNA on it, was more valuable to LE than none of her DNA. The only person who would benefit from no DNA was SA. JMO

 

[Limaes]

Do you think that when they set SA up for a rape he didn't commit and that he spent a lengthy stint in prison for, that the cops weren't able to set him up again when he was suing them for a ton of money that would of ruined their careers and pensions if Avery were to win his civil case? Seeing as insurance wasn't going to pay. They more than anyone had every reason & motive to set him up again. IMO.

You do realise that the cases were 20 years apart? No careers were going to be ruined and no pensions were going to be affected. Reasons and an opinion on motive is not evidence.

 

[Karinna]

You do realise that the cases were 20 years apart? No careers were going to be ruined and no pensions were going to be affected. Reasons and an opinion on motive is not evidence.

Avery was out of prison for 2 yrs. after the wrongful rape conviction before they charged him with TH's murder, with the cops in question probably hoping their set up would never be found out i would think. They probably thought as long as he was in prison he was right where they wanted him to be and all was good. He was crazy to go back to Manitowoc county IMO.
But it's okay we can agree to disagree, that's what a discussion/debate forum is all about. Just saying it the way i see it and we will see how this all plays out.

 

[Karinna]

I also don't think most people who think SA & BD were set up base their opinion of that on reason & opinion but on what they have seen the evidence has proven, and it hasn't really proven much at all. Evidence can easily be manipulated if there is reason for someone to set someone up. It has actually happened before and is not unique to this case alone.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think that would depend on how people read and interpret what's there in evidence, and sometimes when people have their mind made up they only see what they want to see, all IMO. Maybe some kind of blind spot that filters things out in the brain, i really dunno what it is.
I think in other high profile cases i have followed this type of thing happens over and again, so nothing unusual.

I guess I must have some of those blind spots in my brain.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I am bothered by how the car key was discovered in SA's home. There is no way to know how it got there. I suppose it is possible SA hid the key in his home but to me that just makes no sense. If he really did away with evidence of a murder in the manner in which LE claims, why be so careless with the key to the victim's vehicle? It does not compute. I will concede that SA could have been this careless but to me there is an equal amount of possibility that the RAV4 key was planted by someone else. I have seen nothing that shows without a doubt who put that key there and when.

I remember when I was a kid and I didn't want my parents to find out about something, I hid it under a rock. So why bring it into your house? Why not hid it under a rock, put it with other keys for the other cars, there were only about 4,000 other keys. I doubt EA or CA would have questioned it. If he truly did kill TH, why then make such a critical mistake? Why not hid it in a glove compartment in another car? Why bring it in your house to incriminate yourself? While SA may have a low IQ, I don't believe he didn't have "street smarts" from being locked up for 18 years. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[Karinna]

I guess I must have some of those blind spots in my brain.

I think we all do it. In that we see what we want to see.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think we all do it.

Everyone has these blind spots? That sure would make jury selection difficult. JMO

 

[Karinna]

Everyone has these blind spots? That sure would make jury selection difficult. JMO

I think juries probably go with the most persuasive and seemingly confident people on the jury. As in life there are leaders and there are followers.