Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #7

[close_enough]

ok....i need to get this clear in my mind.....

PP thong is found near Brianna's body...DNA is from an unknown male & unknown female.....

LE know now that the guy took a pair of underpants from a previous victim.....we don't know which victim & we don't know what kind of underpants.......

i think it's safe to say that one of the women he raped; he took their underpants with him...hmmm...it's got to be either the foreign girl, or the one that was raped in the garage, right???.....didn't the other one kick him & get away??

eta....the foreign girl (sorry i keep calling her that, but i forgot where she's from) didn't actually get raped, right?...isn't she the one that was forced to do a sexual "act" on this freak?....(course rape is rape, but from what i've gathered he didn't actually "rape" her...not that we know of anyway....course he still could have told her to give him her underpants)

the October 22nd attack ....the girl in the parking garage, was actually raped.....

 

[10EC_Dad]

ok....i need to get this clear in my mind.....

PP thong is found near Brianna's body...DNA is from an unknown male & unknown female.....

LE know now that the guy took a pair of underpants from a previous victim.....we don't know which victim & we don't know what kind of underpants.......

i think it's safe to say that one of the women he raped; he took their underpants with him...hmmm...it's got to be either the foreign girl, or the one that was raped in the garage, right???.....didn't the other one kick him & get away??

eta....the foreign girl (sorry i keep calling her that, but i forgot where she's from) didn't actually get raped, right?...isn't she the one that was forced to do a sexual "act" on this freak?....(course rape is rape, but from what i've gathered he didn't actually "rape" her...not that we know of anyway....course he still could have told her to give him her underpants)

the October 22nd attack ....the girl in the parking garage, was actually raped.....

And consider what "he took their underpants with him" could mean.

It could mean he kept them as a trophy.

It could mean that he ripped them off the victim in the act and didn't bother to give them back afterwards.

 

[close_enough]

And consider what "he took their underpants with him" could mean.

It could mean he kept them as a trophy.

It could mean that he ripped them off the victim in the act and didn't bother to give them back afterwards.

hmm, yep...i think they're a trophy to him....

 

[Rick777]

ok....i need to get this clear in my mind.....

PP thong is found near Brianna's body...DNA is from an unknown male & unknown female.....

LE know now that the guy took a pair of underpants from a previous victim.....we don't know which victim & we don't know what kind of underpants.......

i think it's safe to say that one of the women he raped; he took their underpants with him...hmmm...it's got to be either the foreign girl, or the one that was raped in the garage, right???.....didn't the other one kick him & get away??

eta....the foreign girl (sorry i keep calling her that, but i forgot where she's from) didn't actually get raped, right?...isn't she the one that was forced to do a sexual "act" on this freak?....(course rape is rape, but from what i've gathered he didn't actually "rape" her...not that we know of anyway....course he still could have told her to give him her underpants)

the October 22nd attack ....the girl in the parking garage, was actually raped.....

Wait.....I thought the girl in the parking garage screamed,he kicked her in the head and ran off without raping her?

 

[close_enough]

Wait.....I thought the girl in the parking garage screamed,he kicked her in the head and ran off without raping her?

no, the October 22nd victim was raped in a parking garage...

A University of Nevada, Reno student said she was raped in a parking garage
on Oct. 22, that was 100 yards from a campus police station.The woman said
she reported the incident after seeing news reports of Denison's case. The
October case has not been connected.

Holladay said there's no evidence that connects the October rape to the
other incidents but that investigators are "not discounting the possibility
these cases may be connected all together."

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.true-crime/2008-02/msg00096.html

 

[newshound81]

And consider what "he took their underpants with him" could mean.

It could mean he kept them as a trophy.

It could mean that he ripped them off the victim in the act and didn't bother to give them back afterwards.

Or he took them from her house in the attempted burglary....

 

[10EC_Dad]

Or he took them from her house in the attempted burglary....

Yes, but I don't think he made in the apartment did he?

 

[FXSTS]

I also think that the "previous victim" is Brianna.

As far as the police being boneheaded or using information that could confuse the public, the DNA has no bearing on any information that the public can use.
That is why I think it is deliberate.

LE was using the media in this exact way in the days leading up to capturing BTK. Even after they identified him and were putting together plans to execute the arrest. The media is a powerful tool, and I know that when the FBI gets involved, press conferences and interviews are used as a tool.

I agree with your "previous victim" theory, but are you suggesting that all of this DNA stuff has been fabricated?

Even if I go for the "oily substance" DNA from the house, where did the DNA come from at the scene of the November incident? Could they actually get DNA from an unopened pack of condoms?

 

[Leila]

I'm starting to be very skeptical of the panty thing being anything at all. All of a sudden a previous vic notices her underwear is missing? If this is the Taiwanese vic, who's to say she's not mistaken? She was traumatized TWICE in a month period and apparently very quickly left the country afterward. If she is in fact missing a pair of panties, they could have been left behind, lost, dropped at her appartment in her haste to move back home. But is this girl really in any frame of mind to account for all of her undergarments after being raped, beaten and then having her house broken into by the same person and THEN leaving school and moving back to the other side of the world?

Of the two known victims, the December victim is the most likely to be the one with missing underwear. According to her story, she was attacked from behind, lost conscious, and awoke in the suspect's pickup truck and sexually assaulted. The suspect then drove her home.

It's not too hard to imagine that in the course of the assault, the girl was forced to remove her clothing or some of her clothing, and then afterwards told to dress as he drove her home. But, the suspect kept her underwear, telling her to just put her jeans on. In this scenario, the girl would have arrived home that night scared to death and knowing that the perp had the underwear she had been wearing that night.

We don't know the details of the investigation into the Nov. and Dec. attacks. I read somewhere that the UNR police handled the initial reports on both cases, later turning it over to the Reno police.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Neither October attacks have been connected by anything other than location and age of victims. DNA testing wasn't done and now they have no way to connect them, plus the description is different and a gun was used. I don't buy that the parking garage attack is the same perp and they will never be able to prove it was.

I think they made it clear that the PP thong does not belong to any KNOWN victims. Therefore, it makes sense that the thong could still belong to an unknown victim...either living or dead. The reason they mentioned what must be victim #2's underwear that was taken after the crime was to let the owner of the thong know it was part of his MO and give her more motive to come forward. I don't see it as a ploy toward the perp in any way.

The mistake with the identity of the DNA on the thong is not on purpose, imo. What reasoning would they have used to decide it would be useful to say it was his DNA then rescind that statement? Did they think he would be angry? He already knows his DNA isn't on them. He is laughing at them about now. It makes them look bad not only to the public, but to the perp. Doesn't sound like a ploy that plays into their favor to me! I think the actual reason they had to rescind it was due to a legal situation later down the line.

I don't see him as a very efficient burglar since he tried to "beat the knob off the door" of the victim #2's apartment which is the reason he did not gain entry...but he did leave behind either DNA or fingerprints to match to the other attacks. I highly doubt he stole them during any break-in from another house or apartment.

 

[Leila]

By the time of the January 19th attempted break-in of the December victim's apartment, she had already left Nevada and was home in Taiwan. Having moved, she would have taken all her belongings with her, so there wouldn't have been any of her underwear left at that apartment to steal.

I believe the underwear were taken during the assault and that victim arrived home that night without her underwear.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I believe the underwear were taken during the assault and that victim arrived home that night without her underwear.

We can only hope that is what happened. Since no victim has come forward, you could also interpret it to mean she cannot.

 

[Invisible]

Or he took them from her house in the attempted burglary....

That is what I think NH...I think that because the uw did not look stretched out in the pic, which would have been the case had they been forcibly removed or used to strangle Brianna. Leila's idea also seems probable for the same reasons.

Just wanted to add one more thing that I haven't seen mentioned...I think that the perp could possibly be clean shaven because he uses prostitutes on a regular basis and wants to reduce the possibility of catching crabs, etc and passing them on to his SI, which is perhaps the same reason he uses condoms.

 

[Leila]

We can only hope that is what happened. Since no victim has come forward, you could also interpret it to mean she cannot.

I'm speaking of the December victim, the girl who's now back home in Taiwan. Police now say that they know that at least one of the prior victims is missing their underwear. The November victim was attacked but screamed, scaring him away and in the course of that attack he dropped condoms........no clothing removed.

The December victim was sexually assaulted, being forced to commit a sexual act on the suspect. I'm presuming that during that assault, the victim was forced to remove at lease some of her clothing and the suspect kept her underwear.

So that's how LE can say that at least one prior victim is missing their underwear. It was part of the crime that night.

 

[newshound81]

By the time of the January 19th attempted break-in of the December victim's apartment, she had already left Nevada and was home in Taiwan. Having moved, she would have taken all her belongings with her, so there wouldn't have been any of her underwear left at that apartment to steal.

I believe the underwear were taken during the assault and that victim arrived home that night without her underwear.

AMW may be wrong, but they knew about the DNA mistake before RGJ reported it, so I am posting this. This says that the December victim was at home during the break-in (I believe you are right, Dad, that he didn't make it inside). http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=53281

Police strongly believe that the serial sexual predator did return on Jan. 19, 2008, the evening before Brianna's kidnapping, and attempted to break into the Dec. 16 victim's residence. Authorities say that in the January incident, someone attempted to enter the victim's home by breaking off a door knob at the rear of the residence. The victim was at home at the time and called 9-1-1, but the suspect left before police arrived.

If you read further up, it also says that the victim was attacked after parking her car in front of her home, not walking down the street at 2 a.m. as has been previously reported.

 

[DeltaDawn]

In reference to the AWM site and their info posted there about this.

I think the underware he took from the Dec vic during the attack. I think he told her to remove them and that he was keeping them. These are not the Pink Panther Undies.

We know that LE also had DNA from that attack in Dec, from the attempted break-in in Jan, and Brianna's attack that all match the same perp. We kno he told her not to look at him, not to call LE or he would kill her. We also know he told her he might be back. He did comeback. So it's reasonable to believe he may have told her more..like give me your thong to add to my collection. He also beat her brutually.

DNA on the thong is male and female but does not match the perps or any of the known vics. Yet they were found with Brianna's body, in a placement that makes LE 100% sure the vic left them there for LE to find.

To me the vic is someone who has the underware fetish, but may take the underware prior to an attack, during or after, he'll take underware however he can get it..laundromat, apartments if he is a maintenece man. Because this is his fetish and part of his crimes I doubt he would buy them on line. I think he has them because they have meaning to him other then the fetish symbol.

I think LE is concerned for two reasons: He should have struck again by now. They can't be sure if this is a sign of a vic to come or a vic from the past.

JMHO

 

[DeltaDawn]

I think the only way they are going to get this vic is to place undercover female cops in the area and times that these incidents occurred. That is if he is still in that area and hasn't moved on to new hunting grounds.
JMHO

 

[10EC_Dad]

I think the underware he took from the Dec vic during the attack. I think he told her to remove them and that he was keeping them. These are not the Pink Panther Undies.

We know that LE also had DNA from that attack in Dec, from the attempted break-in in Jan, and Brianna's attack that all match the same perp.

DNA on the thong is male and female but does not match the perps or any of the known vics. Yet they were found with Brianna's body, in a placement that makes LE 100% sure the vic left them there for LE to find.

To me the vic is someone who has the underware fetish, but may take the underware prior to an attack, during and after, he'll take underware however he can get it..laundromat, apartments if he is a maintenece man.

I think LE is concerned for two reasons: He should have struck again by now. They can't be sure if this is a sign of a vic to come or a vic from the past.

JMHO

I still wonder why the thong did not have any of his DNA on it. He did not leave underware with other victims. I know, I know, he did not murder other victims, but I don't think he initially intended to murder Brianna.

 

[10EC_Dad]

I think the only way they are going to get this vic is to place undercover female cops in the area and times that these incidents occurred. That is if he is still in that area and hasn't moved on to new hunting grounds.
JMHO

I think that is a possibility.

 

[KR2tonenow]

I think the underware he took from the Dec vic during the attack. I think he told her to remove them and that he was keeping them. These are not the Pink Panther Undies.

We know that LE also had DNA from that attack in Dec, from the attempted break-in in Jan, and Brianna's attack that all match the same perp.

DNA on the thong is male and female but does not match the perps or any of the known vics. Yet they were found with Brianna's body, in a placement that makes LE 100% sure the vic left them there for LE to find.

To me the vic is someone who has the underware fetish, but may take the underware prior to an attack, during and after, he'll take underware however he can get it..laundromat, apartments if he is a maintenece man.

I think LE is concerned for two reasons: He should have struck again by now. They can't be sure if this is a sign of a vic to come or a vic from the past.

JMHO

Possible scenarios:

As another poster mentioned on her before, he could be stalking these girls at laundermats (their students, so am guessing they go to laundermats), stealing underwear of intended victims or fantasy filled victims...

Perhaps he's broken into homes when vics are unaware. This perp could have a roomate that has no clue he's a sicko, and he took it from her. She's not claiming it, because she's scared or not aware.

Maybe he works in a hotel on the Reno strip. Could work in Laundry area of the hotel. UW left by an out of town girl staying there.