Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #7

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  • #361
so, are we going to forget about the thong?...take it out of the picture?...not really sure what i think now about the underpants...wonder how close to Brianna's body they were...could some other couple have parked around this area for some 'lovin' at another time, & the underpants were left then?.....could it be the person that dumped Brianna's body took them from someone's home, kept them in his truck, & when he dumped her body, they fell out??.....why would he intentionally leave underpants at the dump site, that have nothing to do with him?
.....wonder if he stole them from someone's home?.....but then it really wouldn't make sense to leave them at this dump site; hmmmmmm
 
  • #362
I think this a ploy by LE. They can not screw up DNA and say it matches and then oops it dosen't. They are doing something for a reason that we are not aware of.
They have been so tight lipped so far, and then to come out and say this.
There is something going on IMO.

hmmm, possible????

why would they do that though?....maybe they think the guy is gettin his jollies by leaving them, & maybe LE thinks that if they say it's NOT his DNA, it'll piss the guy off & he'll try to leave something else somewhere:confused:
 
  • #363
I really, really hope that you're right. LE was "misinformed" about the DNA results .Oh, wait, pick me , I"ll believe anything.Oily substance? I'll go for that one too!

I keep thinking that since I"m naive about homicide/rape investigation, and that the F.B.I. is possibly still helping in their own way that there must be some serious psychological warfare going on between LE and the perp and JohnQ.Publics expense.

I am still giving LE the benefit of the doubt(like they care), but the bottom line is, with all of the "tactics",and withheld information, the guy is apparently still out there.

My brain hurts, so I must drink coffee and go to work now. I'll try to think of an optimistic "feel good" post for next time.

gosh, i guess it IS possible......
 
  • #364
I think this a ploy by LE. They can not screw up DNA and say it matches and then oops it dosen't. They are doing something for a reason that we are not aware of.
They have been so tight lipped so far, and then to come out and say this.
There is something going on IMO.
You cannot be serious! Do you honestly believe they would pretend to screw up on DNA and admit it to the media to try and trick this guy? :rolleyes: Can you say...Denial?!

No, Close...it isn't possible. It would be a boneheaded move on LE's part to intentionally mislead the public in such a way. Putting out misinformation is one thing, but you don't shoot yourself in the foot to spite your leg.
 
  • #365
I'm starting to be very skeptical of the panty thing being anything at all. All of a sudden a previous vic notices her underwear is missing? If this is the Taiwanese vic, who's to say she's not mistaken? She was traumatized TWICE in a month period and apparently very quickly left the country afterward. If she is in fact missing a pair of panties, they could have been left behind, lost, dropped at her appartment in her haste to move back home. But is this girl really in any frame of mind to account for all of her undergarments after being raped, beaten and then having her house broken into by the same person and THEN leaving school and moving back to the other side of the world?
 
  • #366
I'm starting to be very skeptical of the panty thing being anything at all. All of a sudden a previous vic notices her underwear is missing? If this is the Taiwanese vic, who's to say she's not mistaken? She was traumatized TWICE in a month period and apparently very quickly left the country afterward. If she is in fact missing a pair of panties, they could have been left behind, lost, dropped at her appartment in her haste to move back home. But is this girl really in any frame of mind to account for all of her undergarments after being raped, beaten and then having her house broken into by the same person and THEN leaving school and moving back to the other side of the world?

i would think anyone would know if they have, or had, pink panther thongs, traumatized or not...i have tons of underpants, & if one pair went missing, i probably wouldn't notice it, only because nothing really stands out on them...solid colors & a few with tiny poka-dots, BUT if i had a pair with hearts, smileys, pink panthers & such, i would notice them missing.....
 
  • #367
You cannot be serious! Do you honestly believe they would pretend to screw up on DNA and admit it to the media to try and trick this guy? :rolleyes: Can you say...Denial?!

No, Close...it isn't possible. It would be a boneheaded move on LE's part to intentionally mislead the public in such a way. Putting out misinformation is one thing, but you don't shoot yourself in the foot to spite your leg.

I agree, I think this was a mistake and not a devised plan to play head games.
 
  • #368
i would think anyone would know if they have, or had, pink panther thongs, traumatized or not...i have tons of underpants, & if one pair went missing, i probably wouldn't notice it, only because nothing really stands out on them...solid colors & a few with tiny poka-dots, BUT if i had a pair with hearts, smileys, pink panthers & such, i would notice them missing.....
But it's already been establishd that the Pink Panther panties are NOT from a previous victim. And the police don't have these "other stolen panties," as far as we know. So, that means that police asked her if some panties were missing, or she told them. Still, we do not know if this other set of panties is of distinctive design. They were not found anywhere like the other pair.
 
  • #369
By previous victim, I should have said "that we know of." The PP panties could be from another victim that has not come forward.
 
  • #370
By previous victim, I should have said "that we know of." The PP panties could be from another victim that has not come forward.

I thought that's what you meant, but you caught it before I could ask you about it. LOL
 
  • #371
But it's already been establishd that the Pink Panther panties are NOT from a previous victim. And the police don't have these "other stolen panties," as far as we know. So, that means that police asked her if some panties were missing, or she told them. Still, we do not know if this other set of panties is of distinctive design. They were not found anywhere like the other pair.

ok, i must have missed something....i have no idea what you're talking about...has someone talked to LE about missing underpants:confused:

eta...i know that the PP thong is not from a previous victim....
 
  • #372
ok, i must have missed something....i have no idea what you're talking about...has someone talked to LE about missing underpants:confused:

eta...i know that the PP thong is not from a previous victim....
I'm sorry, I really need to get into the habit of posting links.

From amw.com:

New Clues Revealed In Murder Of Brianna Denison
FIRST ON AMW.com: In an exclusive interview with Reno Police Lt. Robert McDonald, AMW has learned that the serial sexual predator linked to the murder of Brianna Denison and two other attacks has a penchant for keeping his victim's underwear. "We're making a connection here that maybe this guy has some type of fetish," McDonald said, adding that the suspect took a pair of underwear from a previous victim, in addition to the thong underwear found near Brianna Denison's body. That pair contained both the DNA of an unknown female and an unknown male.
 
  • #373
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...3019&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews&nocache=1

McDonald also revealed during a Saturday night broadcast about the Denison case on “America’s Most Wanted” that investigators believe the suspect collects underwear from his victims. He said the suspect kept a pair of underwear belonging to one of the victims. McDonald would not disclose which victim, or describe the missing underwear.
 
  • #374
Now...how can they be so sure he left them at the scene? Without DNA, unless they were actually ON her...I don't see it. So does this tell us the thong may have been used to strangle her after all?!

I think that may be the case. I thought it was curious for them to go public with evidence like that, but there is more to it than a pair of panties discarded in a field. Even if they were in close proximity to the victim, I would not think that LE would show evidence that did not have a huge connection to the case.
There are a few curious things that I have noticed. The first being the panties. I can not read a news story about the case without a huge detailed picture of them taking half of my browser. The word got out that the Perp's DNA was on them. That might be true and it might not. The idea of the police going in front of the media and saying that there was a blunder in one way or another especially with something that could be a key piece of evidence, possibly might be a communication or an attempt to draw the perp out.

We know nothing factual about the site, the body or what evidence they really have.
To my knowledge they have not even stated factually that they have not found the bear. For all we know the bear was placed near the body, or was left with the panties on it.
I think that they have reason to say some of the things the way they say them in the media. While they want information from the public, aside from identifying the owner of the panties, I think that they are using some misinformation or twisting of the facts to try to communicate with the perp.

However, I have stated it before, and it could be the case here, there is a huge human error factor in DNA collecting and processing, so it could be a huge mess up on many different levels.
I just don't feel that with a serial criminal who is raising the stakes and still running loose, that they would even comment on many of the things that have been reported.
 
  • #375
I'm sorry, I really need to get into the habit of posting links.

From amw.com:

New Clues Revealed In Murder Of Brianna Denison
FIRST ON AMW.com: In an exclusive interview with Reno Police Lt. Robert McDonald, AMW has learned that the serial sexual predator linked to the murder of Brianna Denison and two other attacks has a penchant for keeping his victim's underwear. "We're making a connection here that maybe this guy has some type of fetish," McDonald said, adding that the suspect took a pair of underwear from a previous victim, in addition to the thong underwear found near Brianna Denison's body. That pair contained both the DNA of an unknown female and an unknown male.

wow, i DID miss something, but i'm still confused......hit me over the head, but whose underpants do they think they are, if it's an unknown female, then how is it a previous victim?....if it's not this guy's DNA, then .....gosh, i'm lost....

eta..thanks NH:)
 
  • #376
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...3019&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews&nocache=1

McDonald also revealed during a Saturday night broadcast about the Denison case on “America’s Most Wanted” that investigators believe the suspect collects underwear from his victims. He said the suspect kept a pair of underwear belonging to one of the victims. McDonald would not disclose which victim, or describe the missing underwear.

aaaah, ok...so one of the victims DID report that this guy took a pair of her underpants...not the PP thong...right???
 
  • #377
With this new evidence I have to bring up something again that has bugged me from the beginning.

Is the only DNA evidence linking Brianna's attack to the others from the initial scene in the house?

As far as I know that is the case - that has always made me wonder if the rapist is someone who has been in the house before. Is it possible his DNA was left there previously and Brianna's attacker was someone else?
 
  • #378
I also think that the "previous victim" is Brianna.

As far as the police being boneheaded or using information that could confuse the public, the DNA has no bearing on any information that the public can use.
That is why I think it is deliberate.

LE was using the media in this exact way in the days leading up to capturing BTK. Even after they identified him and were putting together plans to execute the arrest. The media is a powerful tool, and I know that when the FBI gets involved, press conferences and interviews are used as a tool.
 
  • #379
With this new evidence I have to bring up something again that has bugged me from the beginning.

Is the only DNA evidence linking Brianna's attack to the others from the initial scene in the house?
As far as I know that is the case - that has always made me wonder if the rapist is someone who has been in the house before. Is it possible his DNA was left there previously and Brianna's attacker was someone else?

that is my understanding....now they could have gotten further DNA, since her body was found....

as far as your other question, i just don't think so....but i could be wrong
 
  • #380
I also think that the "previous victim" is Brianna.

As far as the police being boneheaded or using information that could confuse the public, the DNA has no bearing on any information that the public can use.
That is why I think it is deliberate.

LE was using the media in this exact way in the days leading up to capturing BTK. Even after they identified him and were putting together plans to execute the arrest. The media is a powerful tool, and I know that when the FBI gets involved, press conferences and interviews are used as a tool.

how can the "previous victim" be Brianna?.....how would someone else know that a pair of her underpants were missing?...she's not here to say they're missing......
 
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