Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #8

[10EC_Dad]

We're all a bunch of law-breaking, booze-swilling, paycheck-gambling chasers out here, I've been told.

At least we're all qualified to be the Governor of New York if nothing else.

Maybe, but it doesn't sound like you could find 12 people to convict you of anything! Just kidding of course!

If I had the 5G, I can think of better ways to spend it.

 

[10EC_Dad]

About 5 minutes from my office, where it's 100% legal, that $5K would get you about 20 rounds.

ETA: Or about 500 rounds on 4th street.

I am sure the cost would ultimately be much more than the 5g.

Okay, we are getting off topic.

Where is a moderator when you need one? :crazy:

 

[strach304]

:laugh:

We're all a bunch of law-breaking, booze-swilling, paycheck-gambling chasers out here, I've been told.

At least we're all qualified to be the Governor of New York if nothing else.

Or the mayor of DC. :blowkiss:

 

[strach304]

Lion, a sex offender having an underware fetish is surely reasonable.

If you think about this perp and underwear though, I think it is 50/50 that he has such a fetish.

It is not surprising that underwear was missing from a rape victim. It is not surprising that underwear was found with Brianna's body. It is surprising that another pair of underwear, without the perp's or Brianna's DNA on them, was found with Brianna's body.

To me, the PP thong is a piece that doesn't fit well in this scenario.

That's why I keep saying it could be planted evidence that absolutely would not lead back to him. A wild goose chase so to speak. They could've been obrained from a dumpster. The panty fetish or souvenir theory may fit with the victims UW from the rape that he took as well as the pink ones found with Brianna. But we still don't know about Brianna's or if there were any and LE may not know that detail exactly either.

 

[Leila]

That's why I keep saying it could be planted evidence that absolutely would not lead back to him. A wild goose chase so to speak. They could've been obrained from a dumpster. The panty fetish or souvenir theory may fit with the victims UW from the rape that he took as well as the pink ones found with Brianna. But we still don't know about Brianna's or if there were any and LE may not know that detail exactly either.

A couple of weeks ago someone - I think on America's Most Wanted, or on Greta Van Susteran's program - reported that Brianna was found nude. Nothing more was ever said about this and I've wondered if this was something that LE didn't want revealed, and whoever said it slipped up that one time and has not repeated it since. If that report is true, I wonder if her clothing was found there in the field, or if it was kept by the suspect?

It's necessary that LE keep some things about the case confidential - things known only to LE and the perpetrator. LE released the details about the pink panther underwear in hopes that the owner would come forward.

We have to assume that if there were any other important evidence that if given to the public would help identify the perpetrator, LE would be releasing it. I think the fact that there is no other evidence released to the public, that it's likely that the pink panther underwear is the ONLY thing LE has.

LE knows the condition of Brianna's body when it was found in that field; LE has items collected from that field; LE has DNA evidence; LE has a description of the perpetrator and of the interior of his vehicle from the December victim, but her description of the suspect and the vehicle interior is vague and gives very little, if anything, to go on.

I think this is all LE has to work with....................

 

[DeltaDawn]

A couple of weeks ago someone - I think on America's Most Wanted, or on Greta Van Susteran's program - reported that Brianna was found nude. Nothing more was ever said about this and I've wondered if this was something that LE didn't want revealed, and whoever said it slipped up that one time and has not repeated it since. If that report is true, I wonder if her clothing was found there in the field, or if it was kept by the suspect?

It's necessary that LE keep some things about the case confidential - things known only to LE and the perpetrator. LE released the details about the pink panther underwear in hopes that the owner would come forward.

We have to assume that if there were any other important evidence that if given to the public would help identify the perpetrator, LE would be releasing it. I think the fact that there is no other evidence released to the public, that it's likely that the pink panther underwear is the ONLY thing LE has.

LE knows the condition of Brianna's body when it was found in that field; LE has items collected from that field; LE has DNA evidence; LE has a description of the perpetrator and of the interior of his vehicle from the December victim, but her description of the suspect and the vehicle interior is vague and gives very little, if anything, to go on.

I think this is all LE has to work with....................

One thing I can assure you of is that the December vic would know the perps voice in a heartbeat. He would not let her look directly at him and even told her not to look at him or he would have to kill her..if previous press reports are true. That was only released recently. But she saw everything around her as best she could and I think if she heard his voice again she would know that voice without a doubt.

JMHO

 

[strach304]

Lets hope the PP UW aren't all that they have. It's very reasonable for them to appeal to the public imo to try and identify the owner to see where they came from and if they can be traced back to him. But on the other hand LE has to know that there are other possibilities especially since they have recently said that no one has come forward about them.

As for NG, she said her sources told her that Laci Peterson was found in her pajamas. If Brianna was found nude though then he did something with her clothes, so if they were ever found else where that might help. If they know for sure she was wearing UW and they are missing that would help to know as well, right?

 

[txsvicki]

I think finding any women in the area who may have noticed missing underwear and anything to further identify the abduction/rape vehicle and typed papers could give more clues to a suspect. The public hasn't even been told just how much typing was on the paper, how many papers, and in what format it seemed to be. I haven't even heard anything on the size of the baby shoe in the vehicle, or the color. There has to be something with underwear. One victim's was taken, there's another unidentified pair, and the pink ones with his dna and the apartment renter. He wants underwear.

 

[close_enough]

John Walsh, host of "America's Most Wanted" television show and civilian crime fighter spoke Tuesday morning with the Reno Gazette-Journal.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080312/NEWS10/803120438&theme=

i apologize if this is a repeat, but this is the first i've seen this article...

 

[newshound81]

Thanks for the link.

Well, there goes my theory that his work was not important (he needs a cover as to why he is gone) to the timing of the attacks. I guess that could still be true if he lives alone.

I am still holding onto the idea that he has some sort of family, SO, kids, etc. I just don't understand how no one has come forward. We've had two other college girls murdered in the past week and their killers are in custody. And in the Eve Carson case, police were tipped off, which is interesting considering the "don't snitch" mentality that permeates many cities. Is there a "don't snitch" issue at play with Brianna? Is an SO maybe being threatened and she's not sure she can get police protection if she comes forward? This guy allegedly threatened to kill the December victim if she went to the police, and obviously he has murdered one other person. Maybe the sense of fear of the people who are suspecting him is just too great for them to risk their lives.

 

[TheBugHouse]

I do - thanks!

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Nice.
.45?

 

[TheBugHouse]

We're all a bunch of law-breaking, booze-swilling, paycheck-gambling chasers out here, I've been told.

At least we're all qualified to be the Governor of New York if nothing else.

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Hey, Hey, I was born and raised in NY and I find that comment................friggin' hilarious. Also, there is no evidence to suggest Spitzer has committed any crime.....'cept chasing.
Moved to VT where the gun laws are far more reasonable. AK and VT, as far as I know the only 2 states with unresriticted hand gun laws, also among the lowest crime rates....hhhmmmm.

 

[10EC_Dad]

That's why I keep saying it could be planted evidence that absolutely would not lead back to him. A wild goose chase so to speak. They could've been obrained from a dumpster. The panty fetish or souvenir theory may fit with the victims UW from the rape that he took as well as the pink ones found with Brianna. But we still don't know about Brianna's or if there were any and LE may not know that detail exactly either.

I see your point that the perp thried to lead LE on a wild goose chase. I am not leaning in that direction yet but I see your point.

I don't find it unsual for the rape victim's underwear to not be found. In the case of the rape, it was probably removed and not given back to the victim. It could have been kept by the perp or, just as likely, disposed of later. I actually think the pink underwear being with Brianna's body is an indication that he does not keep them as a trophy. I think she was wearing them when she was attacked and he disposed of them, rather than keep them as a trophy, when he disposed of Brianna's body. Just my theory and opinion.

If LE keeps a level head, I think they will weight the PP underwear with the other evidence we do and do not know about, along with the FBI profile to determine it's significance. Right now, it seems they do think it is relavent. They are probably correct, but I can't piece it together yet.

 

[10EC_Dad]

One thing I can assure you of is that the December vic would know the perps voice in a heartbeat. He would not let her look directly at him and even told her not to look at him or he would have to kill her..if previous press reports are true. That was only released recently. But she saw everything around her as best she could and I think if she heard his voice again she would know that voice without a doubt.

JMHO

That is a great observation. In this case, his DNA will link him to the crimes, and his voice will be key for a witness.

 

[10EC_Dad]

I think finding any women in the area who may have noticed missing underwear and anything to further identify the abduction/rape vehicle and typed papers could give more clues to a suspect. The public hasn't even been told just how much typing was on the paper, how many papers, and in what format it seemed to be. I haven't even heard anything on the size of the baby shoe in the vehicle, or the color. There has to be something with underwear. One victim's was taken, there's another unidentified pair, and the pink ones with his dna and the apartment renter. He wants underwear.

Some of you may be right about the underwear and I am not saying you are wrong. I still think, taken in context with the crimes, the underwear is a by product. The one mystery is the PP underwear. My thoughts could change quickly if there is other evidence related to missing underwear.

 

[newshound81]

Dad and others -

Do you think that if the perp used the panties as a ligature that it points to him killing Brianna in the house? I'm just trying to piece together the thought process. Would he grab both pear of panties from the house and take them with him and Brianna to another crime site? Or was it a spontaneous thing where both were lying nearby in a hamper and he used them to strangle her right there?

 

[Rick777]

Dad and others -

Do you think that if the perp used the panties as a ligature that it points to him killing Brianna in the house? I'm just trying to piece together the thought process. Would he grab both pear of panties from the house and take them with him and Brianna to another crime site? Or was it a spontaneous thing where both were lying nearby in a hamper and he used them to strangle her right there?

That was my theory! I think they were intertwined and used to strangle her.

 

[10EC_Dad]

Dad and others -

Do you think that if the perp used the panties as a ligature that it points to him killing Brianna in the house? I'm just trying to piece together the thought process. Would he grab both pear of panties from the house and take them with him and Brianna to another crime site? Or was it a spontaneous thing where both were lying nearby in a hamper and he used them to strangle her right there?

First, I don't understand your comment about both pairs of underwear coming from the apartment.

I don't think he used the underwear to strangle her. I base that on the lack of such statement by the rape victim. I think he follows a process.

My opinion is that he used his hands on her neck to restrain her and that led to her strangulation. I think that occured in the truck/SUV.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[newshound81]

First, I don't understand your comment about both pairs of underwear coming from the apartment.

I don't think he used the underwear to strangle her. I base that on the lack of such statement by the rape victim. I think he follows a process.

My opinion is that he used his hands on her neck to restrain her and that led to her strangulation. I think that occured in the truck/SUV.

Just my opinion of course.

I guess what I'm trying to ask is whether or not the underwear was some sort of premeditated factor.

I'm trying to figure out his thought process in getting and having both pair of underwear on him. The RPD has not stated that the PP thong is from the apartment, while they believe the pink pair is because it has the DNA of one of the residents. If the PP thong is not from the apartment and he maybe brought that pair of underwear with him, why did he also acquire another pair from the apartment? He would have brought the PP thong for a reason, but how could he have known he'd have access to more underwear in the house?

I am interested to hear your additional thoughts on his process.

 

[newshound81]

That was my theory! I think they were intertwined and used to strangle her.

Rick, where do you think the pairs of underwear came from?