Brooke Bennett, 12 years old Randolph VT #21

[becca]

Are they measuring the recidivism rate of these offenders as it applies only to the Vermont jail system, or is he saying that only 5% will be re-incarcerated anywhere?

It's easy to manipulate statistics to reflect whatever point of view you're promoting.

When you are in charge of them you can do that and pat yourself on the back at the same time... and not loose your balance... isn't life grand ?
Sometimes I think the officials should be locked up too. :banghead:

 

[Salem]

Yes it is easy to manipulate statistics. It would be nice to get a copy of his report to see what he based his number on!

Salem

 

[Fairy1]

Are they measuring the recidivism rate of these offenders as it applies only to the Vermont jail system, or is he saying that only 5% will be re-incarcerated anywhere?

It's easy to manipulate statistics to reflect whatever point of view you're promoting.

Good point. And yes, they will say anything to be re-elected. On the backs of our babies. Lovely.

 

[DianeB]

I think a little email to Bill O'Reilly is in order.

(I'm not a huge fan of his, but on this issue I think he's spot on.)

 

[Salem]

I just sent the following email to the guy who wrote the story. Let's see if we get a reply:

"Mr. Kinzel - you recently wrote an article about Vermont's Senate holding 6 meeting regarding sex offender treatment programs. In that article you wrote the following:
"Corrections commissioner Rob Hoffman says the answer is yes. Based on a ten year study, he says convicted sex offenders who complete the program have one of the lowest recidivism rates of inmates in the entire Vermont jail system - the rate is roughly 5%.
Convicted offenders who refuse treatment are 6 times more likely to re-offend and the rate for the general prison population is just over 50%:"
My questions are: is there any way to get a copy of is report? Have you seen the report? If you have seen the report, can you explain the 5% reoffend rate? What is that number based on?
Any further information you provide would be greatly appreciated."

Salem

 

[lightinthedark]

:clap: Good job!

I just sent the following email to the guy who wrote the story. Let's see if we get a reply:

"Mr. Kinzel - you recently wrote an article about Vermont's Senate holding 6 meeting regarding sex offender treatment programs. In that article you wrote the following:
"Corrections commissioner Rob Hoffman says the answer is yes. Based on a ten year study, he says convicted sex offenders who complete the program have one of the lowest recidivism rates of inmates in the entire Vermont jail system - the rate is roughly 5%.
Convicted offenders who refuse treatment are 6 times more likely to re-offend and the rate for the general prison population is just over 50%:"
My questions are: is there any way to get a copy of is report? Have you seen the report? If you have seen the report, can you explain the 5% reoffend rate? What is that number based on?
Any further information you provide would be greatly appreciated."

Salem

 

[Alcina]

I just sent the following email to the guy who wrote the story. Let's see if we get a reply:

"Mr. Kinzel - you recently wrote an article about Vermont's Senate holding 6 meeting regarding sex offender treatment programs. In that article you wrote the following:
"Corrections commissioner Rob Hoffman says the answer is yes. Based on a ten year study, he says convicted sex offenders who complete the program have one of the lowest recidivism rates of inmates in the entire Vermont jail system - the rate is roughly 5%.
Convicted offenders who refuse treatment are 6 times more likely to re-offend and the rate for the general prison population is just over 50%:"
My questions are: is there any way to get a copy of is report? Have you seen the report? If you have seen the report, can you explain the 5% reoffend rate? What is that number based on?
Any further information you provide would be greatly appreciated."

Salem

Awesome! :woohoo:

 

[becca]

Is this public servant appointed by the Gov of Vermont or how does he get to this job? I wish to know .... there is some information I think he should be aware of.

 

[Fairy1]

Is this public servant appointed by the Gov of Vermont or how does he get to this job? I wish to know .... there is some information I think he should be aware of.

Regardless of how he got his "job" - please do enlighten him! And anyone else who is deluded on this subject. :blowkiss:

 

[RR0004]

That is the way I have posted since I have been here.

I will not do it any longer. I did not know that you felt this way.

Sorry if I have offended anyone with my writing style.

My heart truly hurt when I read that post.

For your heart...which is HUGE btw...oxoxoxoxoxoxo

 

[RR0004]

:razz:don't stir the pot.....if you knew me at all, you'd know that is a joke w/me and many in chat. I meant nothing and don't appreciate you 'calling me out' when I already feel like crap for hurting the feelings of ona my favorite posters here :razz:

I was trying to lighten up for a sec, in the lull.... and I apologize again. Jeesh.

FWIW...I knew you meant it in jest.
We've all been traumatized by reading this board for the last month. Some are having a harder time than others dealing with the stressors.
We should all take a collective deep breath...and exhale.

Hugs and kisses to all!

 

[LaLaw2000]

They checked Best Buy & learned it was never taken there.

If it ever existed, good luck finding it. He could have buried it somewhere, mailed it somewhere, dumped it somewhere.


For the life of me, I don't understand why these freaks download CP onto their actual computers... it makes no sense.

It makes much more sense that they'd download stuff ONLY onto removable drives so there's no trace on their computers & it's easier to hide.

I am back and just now getting caught up reading the posts.

Remember when LE was searching with a metal detector? It was in an article early on and I cannot find the reference to it. Does anyone else remember? Anyway, I do not feel that they were looking for Brooke's grave with a metal detector - I think they may have been looking for something else MJ buried. A hard drive, maybe? When this case goes to trial, we are going to find out so much about the whole thing!

We try to think logically and come up with answers, but MJ and RG (IMO) are so off the charts that logical does not apply to them!

 

[LaLaw2000]

Dearest Miss lisa,:blowkiss:
The U.S. Marshals will escort them to the building. The transport vehicles have tinted glass, so that photos could not be taken upon their arrival to the courthouse. They are not transported by Vermont DOC, they are transported my the U.S. Marshal Service.
I never escorted inmates to the Federal Courthouse, we did not do that. In other courthouses, there was always a garage that we went into out of public eye.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Hi, dark_shadows!
Our courthouse has an underground drive into a basement area. Then a Federal Marshall comes down in the elevator, then goes back up with the inmate and transporting officers. The Federal Marshalls here have 2 'holding cells' in their offices - one for females and one for males.
dark_shadows, I see Gagnon will be in court first. Gagnon will have to be gone from the courthouse before Jacques arrives, won't he?
I will be very interested in what the outcome of the court appearances will be.
Thank you for all the information you have provided, dark_shadows!!! You are greatly appreciated!

 

[LaLaw2000]

As public servants, our most important responsibility is to protect the most vulnerable among us from harm. Children represent our greatest hope for a better tomorrow and it is heart-wrenching for all of us when we are confronted with cases of abuse – especially sexual abuse against children.

There has been a great deal of talk, finger-pointing and grandstanding in recent days regarding the tragedy of Brooke Bennett’s death. This does nothing to serve Brooke’s memory. This does nothing to address the failures of that particular case and, more importantly, it does nothing to protect children all across our state who deserve to grow up in a safe and loving community.

Last week, I called for an immediate and aggressive internal investigation surrounding a probation officer’s 2004 recommendation that a judge grant Michael Jacques an early discharge from probation. Both the position of the probation officer and decision of the judge in that case couldn’t have been more wrong. I have demanded an overhaul of the department’s policies and practices to ensure that no judge can irresponsibly use the misguided recommendation of a probation officer to release a repeat sex offender from probation.

While that investigation is underway, and until a full report is issued by the Department, I have ordered that under no circumstances will a probation or parole officer or any other individual, department or agency support the early release of any sex offender before they have served their maximum sentence.

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080715/NEWS/813679555

VERY good!! Now it needs to be KEPT that way. Change the laws NOW.

 

[miss lisa]

Could they have possibly been looking for the "machine" as well?

 

[LaLaw2000]

Could they have possibly been looking for the "machine" as well?

I don't know, miss lisa. Could be. Who knows since Jacques is so demented!

 

[miss lisa]

Further speculation of what LE could have been looking for with a metal detector:

The Machine he ordered
A weapon (knife/gun)
Hard drive
Metal lock box with videos/cash in it
hand cuffs

Anything else????

 

[LaLaw2000]

Further speculation of what LE could have been looking for with a metal detector:

The Machine he ordered
A weapon (knife/gun)
Hard drive
Metal lock box with videos/cash in it
hand cuffs

Anything else????

I think that would pretty well cover it! I do hope LE found whatever it was.

 

[SUPI]

I very much appreciate the link given for this interview. I listened to the interview in full. This was an excellent chance to see just what the thinking by the gov in Vermont. The tap dancing was spectacular, some of the best I've ever experienced. To summarize what I thought he had to say quickly, those who are targeted by these POSs should be careful. It is important that we realize they are out there and to take common sense care to protect our children. Jessica's law seems a bit harsh and the POSs will be afraid to confess making the prosecutors job harder to get a conviction. Talked about MJ and how he would have been treated under Vermont's new tougher laws they have today than when he was prosecuted for the kidnapping and sexual assault of a 18 year old. It sounds like he might have gotten another 2 years or so but nothing is mandatory. The Atny Gen pointed out that this was a case involving an 18 year old, and not a child. Lots of $ and time out there being used to coax the offender to confess since it is so hard to get a conviction when the child is unable, unwilling, to testify. He also mentions how hard it is when the child isn't able to sound convincing. If this guy has his way you will not see Jessica's law in Vermont. He glosses over DNA and other possible evidence in favor of the child's quality of telling their story on the stand.

Again, do not expect there to be any change here unless it is to do some cosmetic changes that will be aimed at making the taxpayer feel better. I'd be interested in some feed back.

 

[Elley Mae]

I had posted a couple days back that I thought it was a metal detector, after looking at it gain I then said that it appeared to be a light (uv). Maybe someone else could take a look.