Brooke Bennett, 12 yrs. old Randolph, VT #9

[MCDRAW]

Interesting. I never thought of that. I did wonder why she would willingly go upstairs with him. It really looked like she did not trust him (in the convenience store video). She had her arms crossed (like a self-protective mode); and she kind of stepped away from him.

What I don't understand is why AR never questioned why they had to lie to Brooke and deceive her about some boy and some party. Why didn't they use the "Breckenridge" scam on her??

A. R. knew what M.J. was up too. I think they tied her up, I don't think she went upstairs with him. They couldn't use the same scam on Brooke,IMO, she was older. She would have probably went to her Mother or her sister.

 

[MCDRAW]

Noting illegal in and of itself, I assure you. Everything there is designed for use by consenting adults.






Same way the social services people I know do-you get exposed to it over long periods of time, things don't shock you as much. Hey, that extremerestraints site would have shocked me ten, fifteen years ago. I just looked and thought "Wow, pricey. This is a site for the truly dedicated, not just the dabbler". Now, I only cleared the history on the laptop because I didn't want anyone else to stumble on to it by accident and make me go through the embarrassment of having to explain.

How do you clear the history on your computer?

 

[Dante7]

If there was evidence of this, it hasn't been released. It is possible that MJ and Denise were into that kind of thing which would have made it easier for him to order such. You would think that a grand plus change would have been seen by Denise on their bank statements and he could have told her they were for themselves to use.

They could have separate bank accounts.

He could also have an account she doesn't know about. If he's doing distribution of and such he'd possibly have a PO Box and/or mail-drop set up, so statements and similar things could come there too, or he could have an online set-up.

It is difficult to understand why he had them delivered to the house if he were worried about Denise finding out...but they would both be at work and AR would be home to get that delivery.

Plausible, if he had an idea of delivery time.

Doesn't explain the CC statement tho.

CC statement?

 

[strach304]

I went to the extreme site and looked up all the items listed in the affidavit and those three items listed didn't add up in amount. But anyway if you look at the details of those instruments I personally don't see a 12 year old surviving that. I believe her cause of death will be directly related to those acts perpetrated against her. LE did say she died a violent death. I doubt something like that would've been used in the house but rather set up in the rental. Also didn't LE say the evidence that led to her body was obtained from the house? Didn't say which house though. May have been the rental.

 

[nanandjim]

A. R. knew what M.J. was up too. I think they tied her up, I don't think she went upstairs with him. They couldn't use the same scam on Brooke,IMO, she was older. She would have probably went to her Mother or her sister.

I guess that you are right because they delayed it because they wanted to make sure that her mother and sister were working or away. I wonder what happened between AR and her sister, (Cassandra??). I bet it was something sexual in nature. Maybe, Cassandra discovered that AR and her stepfather were doing something together.

Also, I read posts where SS talks about seeing the machine that he ordered. Where did she or you guys see the machine? I read that he ordered over $1K worth of equipment. It sounds like he was in the industry. Where on earth could you put that kind of equipment without your wife seeing it? Do you guys think that Denise knew about this equipment?? I can't remember the date that it was ordered. Are you guys thinking that he ordered it specifically to use on Brooke and film her? I first noted that Brooke reminded me of Shasta when we saw her on the videotape with Duncan...you know, the same kind of defensive body language. No wonder, this guy cut from the same cloth. Sad and scary.

 

[Taximom]

Those are good thoughts TM:blowkiss:. She very well could have been drugged , that would have made it easier to control her.

I woke up with that thought, probably ruminated on it all night while sleeping. I just think it's weird that AR didn't hear any struggling or shouting if something happened while she was still there waiting for bf to pick her up. Then again, maybe she did and just isn't saying. It's also a big house, so who knows what can be heard.

 

[Dante7]

Hey, I am tough on all newbies. LOL I just treat you like everyone else is all. Jump back in here!

Hey, I don't plan on going anywhere else any time soon.

And you weren't tough on me at all, IMHO.

I like the way you think.

Thank you. I must say I like the way you think too.

You are right...if he used it for personal it is a trophy. The only reason I don't think he used it for personal is the hoards of child that Ray Gagnon already confessed to having.

Child is one thing, snuff's another. For one thing, it would depend on how far he was willing to go, for another, child has a larger audience and less severe penalty. I'm still thinking trophy. The presence of child for possible sale doesn't necessarily justify snuff. One does not necessarily lead to the other, even with a murderer. Depends on how his kinks work. Regardless, we're talking mental illness here (I say that in the interests of possible profiling, not as justification or attempt to elicit sympathy- this does *not* excuse him from responsibility)- he'll have very specific parameters he operates by. Neuroses, especially sexual ones, tend to have certain criteria necessary for their fulfillment. In order to understand him, and therefore figure this out, we'd need to know about those parameters and criteria.

My first reaction is that he got most of it from Jacques.

plausible.

RG also admitted that some of that was from AR and the BF. It tells me a lot of "performance sex" on film is going on with MJ.

Now, do we have evidence of knowing complicity on the BF's part, or was it surreptitious filming?

 

[Taximom]

The 3 items I saw listed in the affidavit cost $941.50 ($795 $48.50, $98). With tax and s/h it probably came to $1,000+.

We don't know where he had them shipped either. As with many "interesting" purchases you can make with your credit card, it probably didn't say "EXTREME RESTRAINTS" on the cc statement. Maybe he did all the bills and DJ didn't see them.

 

[strach304]

I guess that you are right because they delayed it because they wanted to make sure that her mother and sister were working or away. I wonder what happened between AR and her sister, (Cassandra??). I bet it was something sexual in nature. Maybe, Cassandra discovered that AR and her stepfather were doing something together.

Also, I read posts where SS talks about seeing the machine that he ordered. Where did she or you guys see the machine? I read that he ordered over $1K worth of equipment. It sounds like he was in the industry. Where on earth could you put that kind of equipment without your wife seeing it? Do you guys think that Denise knew about this equipment?? I can't remember the date that it was ordered. Are you guys thinking that he ordered it specifically to use on Brooke and film her? I first noted that Brooke reminded me of Shasta when we saw her on the videotape with Duncan...you know, the same kind of defensive body language. No wonder, this guy cut from the same cloth. Sad and scary.

I believe it was ordered on the 16th of June. There is a rental house on the property so that's my guess as to where it was concealed.

 

[VTGirl81]

Maybe someone can make sense of this because it's not adding up to me.

I certainly don't want to think that AR had anything to do with this, but it's looking more and more like that.

In one of the emails in the affidavit, MJ (posing as C, I believe) tells AR that "dad" needs at least a few hours with Brooke, then he (C) asks AR if she wants some time with her too (did he mean sexually?)

I have a hard time believing that he would ask her if she wanted time with Brooke after she was tied up, and then when he brought Brooke upstairs at the house, AR says that MJ made her leave with her boyfriend....that doesn't compute to me.

We know that the emails are telling the truth...but don't know that AR is.

What do you guys think?

 

[Dante7]

Makes me want to start some sort of "hit list" of my own. When we are looking for children that is always in the back of my mind. We do not dare venture into that territory. I know I never go to to find our missing...others might. I would like to get together a select group and have our credentials screened so we can go look for them. To me, we are dedicated and look in every place except there. We are leaving a stone unturned.

What sort of thing do you have in mind?

 

[VTGirl81]

The 3 items I saw listed in the affidavit cost $941.50 ($795 $48.50, $98). With tax and s/h it probably came to $1,000+.

We don't know where he had them shipped either. As with many "interesting" purchases you can make with your credit card, it probably didn't say "EXTREME RESTRAINTS" on the cc statement. Maybe he did all the bills and DJ didn't see them.

It does say that they were shipped to his house, I thought?

 

[strach304]

Taximom, I didn't feel like going back to get the exact amount just recalled a little over 1000. I noticed on that site they had ankle and wrist restraints for 82.50 for that particular machine. Don't know if ropes and handcuffs would be adequate. Not a big deal anyway just something I noticed.

 

[dark_shadows]

It does say that they were shipped to his house, I thought?

Dearest VtGirl,:blowkiss:
The items were shipped to his home. It was said on the news here.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

 

[Taximom]

You are probably right about the shipment, VTGirl. I don't remember all the little details!

I do remember that part where AR was asked if she wanted time with her too. I didn't know what to think about that part.

Also I keep thinking the whole "coffee tasting bad" thing has to do with Brooke's disappearance. Maybe they gave her coffee with drugs in it and she dumped it because it tasted bad. It was something big enough to lie about, or have in their "story" anyway, which is why I think it's bugging me!!!

 

[strach304]

It does say that they were shipped to his house, I thought?

Again, the rental. Then there's AR.

 

[Dante7]

I'm not saying counseling is sufficient by any means. I'm pointing out that with all the disgusting information we have received, we really don't know enough to base an opinion on. I can't tell you how many times I get so angry about this and point the finger at the mom, aunt, cousin, etc., but then my mind goes back to the fact that we really don't know very much at all about this. . . it is all so disturbing...unbelievable....

Agreed- we don't have enough facts yet to judge the mothers here, and we also don't know enough about their psychological states. I'd mentioned before, the min can suppress a lot if it seriously conflicts with the person's worldview and sense of reality There may always be a nagging doubt about the truth lurking in the background, but still, people will believe what they want to believe. Hold on to a belief hard enough, and you'll see what you want to see, rather than what you do.

 

[calidreamin]

The 3 items I saw listed in the affidavit cost $941.50 ($795 $48.50, $98). With tax and s/h it probably came to $1,000+.

We don't know where he had them shipped either. As with many "interesting" purchases you can make with your credit card, it probably didn't say "EXTREME RESTRAINTS" on the cc statement. Maybe he did all the bills and DJ didn't see them.

This guy is sneaky so I could see him having a credit card that the wife didn't know about. You would think that she would have noticed all of these sex toys coming to and around the house though.

 

[dark_shadows]

You are probably right about the shipment, VTGirl. I don't remember all the little details!

I do remember that part where AR was asked if she wanted time with her too. I didn't know what to think about that part.

Also I keep thinking the whole "coffee tasting bad" thing has to do with Brooke's disappearance. Maybe they gave her coffee with drugs in it and she dumped it because it tasted bad. It was something big enough to lie about, or have in their "story" anyway, which is why I think it's bugging me!!!

My dearest Taximom,:blowkiss:
Good job on saying that Brooke was probably drugged. I did not think of that.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

 

[calidreamin]

Again, the rental. Then there's AR.

Thats right scratch I forgot about the rental. He may have kept the toys he ordered there. Does anyone know if the rental is occupied or was it vacant for his use?