Burke did NOT kill JonBenet

[Swirlz]

JOHN WAS AWAKE AND SPEAKING AT THE TIME OF THE 911 CALL.

 

[GRT]

The fibers landed in the vulva and underpants crotch of a child who's body was clad in size 12 underpants. No, she couldn't have been walking around in those, she wouldn't have been able to walk in them, she could've easily pulled them up to her armpits. PR said she didn't notice them when she put JBR to bed that night.

Yes, they believe someone wiped her after a sexual assault. The panties she'd gone to bed in were gone and she was in the large panties with the long johns back on her body.

The fibers are thought to be from whatever the killer used to wipe her with. And the fibers matched a new sweater JR had received as a gift but hadn't yet worn. But fiber technology isn't exact and those fibers on her crotch would also match millions of other pieces of clothing made from black wool.

Plus, there was none of JBR's DNA on JR's sweater, and had she been wiped with that -- there should have been.

Parts of Linda Arndt's report were redacted but she catalogued a series of creepy behaviors by JR. He laughed and joked while waiting for the "kidnapper" to call, he didn't comfort PR who was hysterical and being consoled by friends in another room, he made a beeline to the basement when asked to search the house from top to bottom, he carried the body up and away from himself, he made crying noises while looking around to see who was watching but produced no tears, he asked if JBR was dead although the smell of decomp was present which meant she was clearly dead, he asked to cover the body but proceeded to toss a throw cover on top of her before waiting for a response and when told about the completion of the autopsy he asked no questions.

People behave in odd ways, and none of those behaviors indicate JR is a killer.

As I said, I think Arndt went on the offensive because she'd made bad calls.

 

[GRT]

In my personal opinion, I think this happened when the 911 recording was reported to have Burke, speaking and awake at the time of the call.

That claim has always been questionable, and I've listened dozens of times to the call and can't hear Burke's voice. I think some are just hearing what they want to hear.

 

[Bekind89]

In my personal opinion, I think this happened when the 911 recording was reported to have Burke, speaking and awake at the time of the call.

Anything is possible but I agree with you, I just don't believe a 9 year old committed this crime.
In cases such this the most likely suspect is the oldest male living in home, not the youngest.

 

[Chypre]

JOHN WAS AWAKE AND SPEAKING AT THE TIME OF THE 911 CALL.

Keep going . . .

Personal speculation: The 911 recording showed Burke was awake. I think switching blame to Burke as hitting JB over the head with a parental coverup made sense to the prosecution. IMO, at that point in time they then had the "this isn't a sexual abuse case event at all" attitude.

I believe somebody explained "it didn't follow where we were going (prosecution wise) with the case". I think prosecution teams are able to puck and choose which parts of the case to highlight and which parts to leave alone.
Edit to add: I'm not sure if that is right as far as the prosecution team or the documentaries.

 

[Chypre]

Anything is possible but I agree with you, I just don't believe a 9 year old committed this crime.
In cases such this the most likely suspect is the oldest male living in home, not the youngest.

Agree

 

[CloudedTruth]

Yes, they believe someone wiped her after a sexual assault. The panties she'd gone to bed in were gone and she was in the large panties with the long johns back on her body.

The fibers are thought to be from whatever the killer used to wipe her with. And the fibers matched a new sweater JR had received as a gift but hadn't yet worn. But fiber technology isn't exact and those fibers on her crotch would also match millions of other pieces of clothing made from black wool.

Plus, there was none of JBR's DNA on JR's sweater, and had she been wiped with that -- there should have been.

We do not know for a fact that JB was put to bed in the long johns. There is evidence that suggests she was actually wearing her pink Barbie nightgown and was completely redressed after being wiped down.

I have seen John's rare black wool attire made in Israel referred to both as a shirt and a sweater. From what I can ascertain, it was a collared shirt and that is what he was wearing that night. IIRC, those fibers were found in the underwear.

The remnant fibers found from JB being wiped down were blue, not a match to JR's shirt. They were described as "navy-blue pilings", and were consistent with a cotton towel.

 

[Bean&Cheese]

We do not know for a fact that JB was put to bed in the long johns. There is evidence that suggests she was actually wearing her pink Barbie nightgown and was completely redressed after being wiped down.

I have seen John's rare black wool attire made in Israel referred to both as a shirt and a sweater. From what I can ascertain, it was a collared shirt and that is what he was wearing that night. IIRC, those fibers were found in the underwear.

The remnant fibers found from JB being wiped down were blue, not a match to JR's shirt. They were described as "navy-blue pilings", and were consistent with a cotton towel.

Has her Barbie nightgown ever been found?

 

[GRT]

We do not know for a fact that JB was put to bed in the long johns. There is evidence that suggests she was actually wearing her pink Barbie nightgown and was completely redressed after being wiped down.

I have seen John's rare black wool attire made in Israel referred to both as a shirt and a sweater. From what I can ascertain, it was a collared shirt and that is what he was wearing that night. IIRC, those fibers were found in the underwear.

The remnant fibers found from JB being wiped down were blue, not a match to JR's shirt. They were described as "navy-blue pilings", and were consistent with a cotton towel.

For some reason, I think I read those fibers were black, but I could be wrong on that account. There were fibers *consistent with* the clothing Patsy wore that night found on JonBenet, including on the duct tape that had been on her mouth. Unfortunately, Fleet White found it necessary to run down and mess with the duct tape after Arndt ordered him to guard the basement door and not let anyone through. He easily could have transferred the fibers--or planted them.

The Barbie nightgown is odd -- but it was her favorite. I wonder if she snuggled it, as a child, with a favorite blanket, so it was with her when the killer carried her down the stairs.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Has her Barbie nightgown ever been found?

Yes, it was found in the wine cellar next to her body along with her favorite white blanket.

The nightgown had her blood on it. The nightgown actually contained the most of her blood out of all the items tested, which included the blanket, the underwear, the white t-shirt.....

 

[GRT]

Has her Barbie nightgown ever been found?

I think it was on the floor beside her body.

 

[CloudedTruth]

For some reason, I think I read those fibers were black, but I could be wrong on that account. There were fibers *consistent with* the clothing Patsy wore that night found on JonBenet, including on the duct tape that had been on her mouth. Unfortunately, Fleet White found it necessary to run down and mess with the duct tape after Arndt ordered him to guard the basement door and not let anyone through. He easily could have transferred the fibers--or planted them.

The Barbie nightgown is odd -- but it was her favorite. I wonder if she snuggled it, as a child, with a favorite blanket, so it was with her when the killer carried her down the stairs.

There were both black and blue fibers found. The blue fibers which were cotton were found on her "lower extremities" which included her thighs. The black fibers which were wool were found in her vaginal region and in her underwear. It is thought that the cloth she was wiped down with was a navy-blue cotton cloth.

 

[scruffydog]

I totally believe Burke is a scapegoat for the entire situation-knowing he was too young to be prosecuted. You'll never get me to believe it wasn't the parents-I've never felt a bit of doubt.

 

[Bean&Cheese]

I totally believe Burke is a scapegoat for the entire situation-knowing he was too young to be prosecuted. You'll never get me to believe it wasn't the parents-I've never felt a bit of doubt.

Do you think that that is what main stream media click bait lead you to believe? The evidence has been interpreted like a game of telephone over the past 28 yrs now. I’m undecided (but, I do lean towards an intruder did it). So far, what I’ve seen of the Ramseys is that they were, “damned if you do and damned if you don’t”. Had John NOT disturbed the crime scene and called for help, it would have been interpreted as, “how could he not have checked to see if she was still alive?” He must have already known and he must have done it. Im still digesting the case.

I’ve thought that it was weird that John cheated on his first wife and then blamed it on the secretary for being aggressive was a big red flag (narcissistic personality). But, then I thought, hell, if that were me to have done that, then maybe I would put the blame on the other woman/man just to save face in front of my kids.

At first, I thought it was weird that the Ramseys went on a media fury trying to convince people that they didn’t do it. But, then I thought, well that makes perfect sense. I would want to get people to understand that I/my family is innocent so that the offender would be focused on.

I thought that it was weird that John was so quick to point the blame on people. But, as I’m going through everything in the case, I find myself doing the same thing… what about this guy, that guy, etc…

I think a lot of what people are interpreting as guilty behavior on part of the Ramseys could easily justified.

After listening to the 9-1-1 call, I do not believe that Patsy had any knowledge of JBR being murdered… she kept asking for help, hurry please hurry. This is purely anecdotal, but I found my grandma dead when she was supposed to be babysitting me while my parents were on vacation when I was 8yo- I called the 9-1-1 and sounded just like Patsy… I kept pleading for them to please hurry.

 

[Dre]

The one belief I have in this case is that Patsy wrote the letter. I’ve studied it extensively and feel very strongly about it.
I speculate she did so to obfuscate what the police would otherwise consider initially (it worked well)

It hypothetically would be extremely understandable if a mother took such lengths to cover for a child, as the moral justification would be MUCH easier than covering for an adult male.

after studying this case for years I’ve had many theories, but I continually circle around P at least just thinking B was somehow involved (even if it was John or another or multiple) and needing to try to create an external villain to save the family from further damage.

JMO

 

[scruffydog]

The one belief I have in this case is that Patsy wrote the letter. I’ve studied it extensively and feel very strongly about it.
I speculate she did so to obfuscate what the police would otherwise consider initially (it worked well)

It hypothetically would be extremely understandable if a mother took such lengths to cover for a child, as the moral justification would be MUCH easier than covering for an adult male.

after studying this case for years I’ve had many theories, but I continually circle around P at least just thinking B was somehow involved (even if it was John or another or multiple) and needing to try to create an external villain to save the family from further damage.

JMO

I completely agree that Patsy wrote the note-which was ridiculous.

 

[Zodiac_Speaking]

I completely agree that Patsy wrote the note-which was ridiculous.

Let's say that I agree with you that PR wrote the note.... I think she probably did. If you believe that, then that raises an interesting question: Did she write it before or after the killing?

While I do believe she wrote it, I do not believe she wrote it AFTER the killing. I believe she probably had to have wrote it before the killing, and that raises a whole industrial can of questions, doesn't it?

 

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[AddieBoo]

People consistently talk about this as if all BR had to do to be able to fool investigators would be to NOT say he did it. If that were true, all JR or PR would have to do to fool investigators is NOT say they did it. But investigators didn't believe the denials of JR/PR. So how is it that BR was able to successfully pull the wool over the eyes of multiple trained investigators? These are investigators who have training in specifically how to spot signs of deception. And none of them thought he even knew anything other than that Susanne Bernhard thought he may have been exposed to abuse he didn't want to talk about.

And as for the theory that BR was manipulated by JR/PR into believing he didn't do it; just a reminder to people that this particular theory of the case is an internet creation. There is no scientific evidence to suggest an almost 10 yr. old who has struck another child hard enough to hear the crack of bone and watch her fall unconscious and who has then been told later on in the day that that child has died, could be manipulated into believing he had nothing to do with her demise and no professional who was involved in the case believed this.

It seems like the bulk of BDI happened after the CBS limited series. And then the disastrous Dr Phil interview….
All my bias rears up whenever I watch a BR interview portion, or any of the Dr Phil episode. IMO BR is odd. He doesn’t fit any of my expectations of how an innocent kid should act after the murder of his little sister. Does that make him a killer? I don’t know. Is it probable. Maybe. Likely? Dunno.

But what really bugs me lately about this case, IMO, is the lack of any forensic evidence from JR. His blue bathrobe is found in his study. He tells LE he was in his underwear reading the note, after he had showered… (No DNA trace) and he remarks to his pastor, after bringing up JB, something like …he didn’t mean to kill her. He wrapped her in a blanket…(FF) IIRC he also made the same remark to the victim advocate. So… one could infer he was talking about BR. Would any person defend the actions of a killer who just brutally murdered a six year old child? But then JR remarked to Anderson Cooper (2015) that John Mark Carr seemed like a nice guy..,bizarrre
IMO, JR placed JB in that wine cellar. Not PR. Not BR. And when he brought her up I believe that comment was from his own guilt, he was talking about himself. I don’t think BR wrapped his dead sister in her favorite blanket and JR knew about it …
But I could be wrong…

There are many bits of evidence that point to PR, JAR, BR… but none for JR…
Those black fibers from his shirt?

Kids kill kids. That’s a fact. And kids can spend their entire adult lives covering and lying for their horrid parents. Kids can be brilliant sociopaths and lie and commit horrible crimes. When “scientific evidence” is demanded. Well.. good luck with this entire crime. The big show for the miracle DNA that identifies the killer isn’t likely to happen. This is a crime which qualifies as “Everyone believes the family did it but it can’t be proven”.
And that is the legacy of the Ramsey family. Unless someone comes forward with the truth….

But what was the GJ thinking when they handed down those four true bills? What facts from the evidence and testimonies lead them to those conclusions?
One day maybe the truth will come out.

 

[Ponytale]

I started to believe that Burke is involved back in the 2000's when no CBS or Dr. Phil interview existed. And I started lurking around here long before 2010, with other posters here entertaining theories about how Burke could have been involved. It is not a new idea. It was talked about back in 1996 too via media, as public forums didn't exist back then. But I agree that after those two shows more BDI theorists have emerged. And I do not think it is a bad thing. And that is why I don't understand why many here are against a theory just because they have decided that they are against it. IMO, we should be open minded to all possibilities.

As we all are here for the same reason - to help find justice for JB - it shouldn't matter who is behind the crime. Burke or not. What should matter is that the person(s) behind it all will be caught and brought to justice.