CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #11

[Satch]

Here are the lyrics to the song "What's Wrong with Me" originally posted on the 17-year-old survivor's secret YouTube account. Note the text on the screen before the music starts is "Life is Like a Movie." It was difficult to hear the words because the digital music added in post-production is often louder than the vocals.

Whon
Not so hone
Not so strong
Not so tough
Life's so strong
Oooh

What now?
What do I do?
Look at me
Here I am
All grown up
Growin' up
Getting close to bein'
Oooh

Hold on to life
Hold on life
Hoezzih (Who is it?)
What time is it?

I don't know.
Oh, why have I got to be so sure?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, ooooh?
What's wrong with me, oh?

It's so hard to hold on
Life's going so bad, oh
Can't breathe

What do I do?
What now?
Here I am
Holin' my dreams to get it
Hoooo-oooo!

Hold on life
Oh, don't lie
What's wrong with me
Will hyme again
I don't know
Oh, why does life have to be so hard?

What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, ooooh?
What's wrong with me, oh?

Hold on to life
I can't do this much longer
Don't turn around, wait there
You don't have much longer
Life is bad, so bad
No, don't you know where I am?
What do I do?
Ooh
What do I do?

Hold on life
ha, wuz zocles zare (I was hopeless there?)
Well, I'm here
I don't know
Oh, why does life have to be so short?

What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, oh?
What's wrong with me, ooooh?
What's wrong with me, oh?

Hold on to life

My view,

You can feel the hurt and pain in those songs that all of the children must have felt. Reaching out for a future in the hope that someday, someone will love and care for them. With the progress that the "Magnificent Thirteen" are making, we can sense the optimism that they are working toward living free and happier lives. With the ability to make their own decisions and to have freedom of choice to do many things! The "Magnificent Thirteen" have to be so happy to have found care and love!

The songs show that they knew threw all the abuse, horror, and pain, that love is an obtainable goal! We stand beside you "Magnificent Thirteen" and love you each day!

Satch

 

[DakotaMayi]

It doesn´t to me, so I don´t quite understand this tendency.
Abuse is abuse, no matter from whom it comes.

Basically what you say is that abuse from men is more EXPECTED and somewhat ACCEPTED.
Very depressing!

SATA, you are a fantastic sleuther here and you've been here since the early days, I'm sure, for these survivors, I appreciate you but I don't think that Felicity is stating that's expected or accepted from men at all. Just that there can be a different feel for each person dependant on whether it's Mom or Dad or both or whoever.

I, personally, have no interest who it is, Mom, Dad, Grandparent, Carer, I don't care, it's disgraceful and I agree with you that Mom she not be let off just because she is "Mom". My relative (a baby) was murdered by her parents. Well, actually, it was her Mother, but her father did nothing to help the ever growing abuse, so I definitely do not place blame with David just because he is the Dad.

Meh, that's my two cents :twocents: I'm probably not making much sense but I just understand what both you and Felicity are trying to convey.

Abuse is a hard pill to swallow no matter who does the act.

I might be totally off here. I hope it's clear that I my post is coming from a good place.

 

[SATA]

SATA, you are a fantastic sleuther here and you've been here since the early days, I'm sure, for these survivors, I appreciate you but I don't think that Felicity is stating that's expected or accepted from men at all. Just that there can be a different feel for each person dependant on whether it's Mom or Dad or both or whoever.

I, personally, have no interest who it is, Mom, Dad, Grandparent, Carer, I don't care, it's disgraceful and I agree with you that Mom she not be let off just because she is "Mom". My relative (a baby) was murdered by her parents. Well, actually, it was her Mother, but her father did nothing to help the ever growing abuse, so I definitely do not place blame with David just because he is the Dad.

Meh, that's my two cents :twocents: I'm probably not making much sense but I just understand what both you and Felicity are trying to convey.

Abuse is a hard pill to swallow no matter who does the act.

I might be totally off here. I hope it's clear that I my post is coming from a good place.

Dear AnaPisces, no, you are not off! I am just trying to understand why there seems to be so much more focus on Louise as the torturer.
I see so many red flags with David, which aren´t really discussed:

He started ogling (hope that was all he did!!!!!) Louise when she was 10 and he was 18! That is outrageous, totally and utterly!

He signed her out of school when she was 16 and he was 24 - and basically kidnapped her. Think about female relatives you might have at that age - no, make that 14-15. I think that would be the corresponding age for 16 back then. Imagine the same happening to them!

He made inappropriate comments about Louise´s teenage sister´s body and entered bathroom while she was naked, showering. (Allegedly with the help of Louise, I know, but I don´t think Louise had any urge to see her sister naked. I think David made her do this).

He has a charge of a lewd act against sibling 8.

I know two of those informations come from Louise´s sister, whom some don´t trust. But why would she lie about this?

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OMG, I am so, so sorry to hear about your baby relative who was murdered, how awful and sad. Hugs to you!

 

[DakotaMayi]

Dear AnaPisces, no, you are not off! I am just trying to understand why there seems to be so much more focus on Louise as the torturer.
I see so many red flags with David, which aren´t really discussed:

He started ogling (hope that was all he did!!!!!) Louise when she was 10 and he was 18! That is outrageous, totally and utterly!

He signed her out of school when she was 16 and he was 24 - and basically kidnapped her. Think about female relatives you might have at that age - no, make that 14-15. I think that would be the corresponding age for 16 back then. Imagine the same happening to them!

He made inappropriate comments about Louise´s teenage sister´s body and entered bathroom while she was naked, showering. (Allegedly with the help of Louise, I know, but I don´t think Louise had any urge to see her sister naked. I think David made her do this).

He has a charge of a lewd act against sibling 8.

I know two of those informations come from Louise´s sister, whom some don´t trust. But why would she lie about this?

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OMG, I am so, so sorry to hear about your baby relative who was murdered, how awful and sad. Hugs to you!

Hi SATA,

I absolutely agree. David is a complete monster. They both are just as evil as each other. Not one of them (as far as we know) tried to stop it. Even in that video with #8 and her dog, one of the survivors says "Dad locked it again" - my interpretation, and Mom seemed surprised when LE arrived. There is nothing good about either one of these awful people.

Yeah, I don't think she has lied about it. Yes, she seemed as if she was looking for attention instead of trying to tend to her nieces and nephews, but their crimes are some of the worst, so I have no reason to not believe what she says.

Thank you. Her Mom was the devil and her Dad was not far behind.

 

[FelicityLemon]

It doesn´t to me, so I don´t quite understand this tendency.
Abuse is abuse, no matter from whom it comes.

Basically what you say is that abuse from men is more EXPECTED and somewhat ACCEPTED.
Very depressing!

That's a deliberate misrepresentation of what I wrote and it's certainly not true.

I wrote only what I wrote.

How you/we interpret things is your/our own issue. Yikes.

:thinking: :hug:

 

[SATA]

Again using Jah's tip, I was able to view the singing videos posted by the 17-year-old survivor. Here are the lyrics to the song "Where is the Key" as best I can tell. There are parts that are unintelligible (to me), so I substituted in the phonetics of what could be heard.

_Where is the Key_
Woah, you said you would never hurt me
You said you would never put me through that
But look at where I am
Freezing to death
Sol inside
I have nothing
All I can do is pray
Pray to the lord
Ask for help
But I'm still down
I don't know what to do when I'm like this

Chorus:
So broken down
So many times
So tortured
So scared inside
How can I (nahell na billy?)
How can I explain
Oh, to myself
Where is the key to my heart?
Oh, where do I go from here?
Oh, let me through the door
Oh, oh oh,
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Let me through the door
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Let me through the door

I'm so broken down
So many times
So tortured
So scared inside
How can I (let um a billy?)
How can I explain?
Oh, to myself
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Where is the key?
Let me through the door

Thanks so much for your work with the lyrics!

They are very strong - and also some of the tunes.
Since I heard and saw her sing her songs, they have stayed with me, I can´t shake them!

 

[SATA]

That's a deliberate misrepresentation of what I wrote and it's certainly not true.

I wrote only what I wrote.

How you/we interpret things is your/our own issue. Yikes.

:thinking: :hug:

It is what I see.

My apologies if I am wrong. I think it is getting on my nerves that everywhere I look, I see Louise bashing (and she probably deserves it), but hardly any talk about David´s role in this.

 

[ClockworkSecret]

Okay, newbie question. How do I perform a search in this particular thread exclusively so that I can avoid starting conversations that have already been played out?

 

[Ontario Mom]

It is what I see.

My apologies if I am wrong. I think it is getting on my nerves that everywhere I look, I see Louise bashing (and she probably deserves it), but hardly any talk about David´s role in this.

I think a big part of the reason you might be seeing so many Mom Bashing (and yes, she does deserve it) is because the "mother" either allowing or engaging in abuse of her own children flies in the face of what is natural. By nature, women/mothers are more loving and tender and nurturing, than men are. So it's not that anyone expects or accepts that men/dads are abusive, it's that it's far more heartbreaking and outrageous when the one who is supposed to be the nurturer, is the one engaging in the suffering of the children.

That said - obviously not all women/mothers are nurturers and some dads/men are far more tender and sensitive than others. In this case, those poor kids didn't have that with either parent.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Okay, newbie question. How do I perform a search in this particular thread exclusively so that I can avoid starting conversations that have already been played out?

Scroll to the top of this page and click the "Search Thread" link just under the thread title. In this case it's directly under the 15 in the date.

 

[SATA]

I think a big part of the reason you might be seeing so many Mom Bashing (and yes, she does deserve it) is because the "mother" either allowing or engaging in abuse of her own children flies in the face of what is natural. By nature, women/mothers are more loving and tender and nurturing, than men are. So it's not that anyone expects or accepts that men/dads are abusive, it's that it's far more heartbreaking and outrageous when the one who is supposed to be the nurturer, is the one engaging in the suffering of the children.

That said - obviously not all women/mothers are nurturers and some dads/men are far more tender and sensitive than others. In this case, those poor kids didn't have that with either parent.

Thanks for your explanation.

I still think David´s role needs more attention.
I think he is the instigator and that he groomed Louise from a very young age. And as an already abused child, she was easy prey for him.

I think he is ANGRY they got caught, he has looked livid in court. I don´t see Louise being angry. I see her being clueless and confused.
If she was the main force, she would have been ANGRY like we see David.

I see her sending David submissive smiles, like she is looking for validation from him. I don´t see her as the dominant person in that relationship.

I am pretty alone with that view, I know. Time will tell, hopefully. I may be wrong.

 

[southernmimi]

Some of the Louise bashing could be because she was home alone with the children most of the day when DT worked. Most of us consider that she could have treated them differently while he was away if she chose to do it. She was with them more hours yet continued the inhumane treatment on her own.

 

[jash]

So far, other than one anecdote from her sister from their childhood, there has been very little to indicate that she ever thought of anybody other than herself (and maybe DT) as all that relevant. From our vantage it certainly looks like she treated her children as objects, once they were beyond the stage where they could be used for mother-baby photo ops, but in her mind she may have felt it was the best way to raise her children. Sad. Part of the responsibility of parenting is preparing the children for the outside world so they can go out on their own and be a part of society, but it appears that they did everything to prevent that from happening.
Yes, they are BOTH responsible.
She acts like it will all blow over, and that she should be the center of attention.
He acts like he's waiting for the other shoe to drop, and look out when it does.

BBM - This reminds me of what was said on Dr. Oz this week. Apparently LT did not ask her sister and cousin about her kids; she was only concerned about herself and DT. LT then asked her sister and cousin to go visit DT because "she felt sorry for him and that he had no visitors". The crime correspondent on the show said she learned that LT and DT have been passing notes to each other while in jail.

Link: https://www.ctv.ca/Dr-Oz/Video/S9E1...ak-Out-From-Jail-Exclusive--Part-1-vid1257357 (hopefully the video works outside of Canada)

 

[DakotaMayi]

BBM - This reminds me of what was said on Dr. Oz this week. Apparently LT did not ask her sister and cousin about her kids; she was only concerned about herself and DT. LT then asked her sister and cousin to go visit DT because "she felt sorry for him and that he had no visitors". The crime correspondent on the show said she learned that LT and DT have been passing notes to each other while in jail.

Link: https://www.ctv.ca/Dr-Oz/Video/S9E1...ak-Out-From-Jail-Exclusive--Part-1-vid1257357 (hopefully the video works outside of Canada)

BBM. They sound like little kids in school.

 

[SATA]

Some of the Louise bashing could be because she was home alone with the children most of the day when DT worked. Most of us consider that she could have treated them differently while he was away if she chose to do it. She was with them more hours yet continued the inhumane treatment on her own.

We don´t quite know yet how it all went down.

 

[KaaBoom]

Some of the Louise bashing could be because she was home alone with the children most of the day when DT worked. Most of us consider that she could have treated them differently while he was away if she chose to do it. She was with them more hours yet continued the inhumane treatment on her own.

I think the bashing is because they are both terrible parents, and terrible excuses for human beings. IMHO.

 

[ClockworkSecret]

I just had a look at the blog, it is written in July 2011, so a year after they moved to CALI ... The oldest daughter must have been 22-23 years old.

Looks like the 17-year-old survivor is not the first in the family to sing on YouTube, which we know thanks to SATA's save. The children's cousin blogged after a 2011 visit to the Turpin family that the oldest daughter had written over 100 songs. The cousin recorded and posted three of them on YouTube.

My eldest cousin, J******* ****, is the same age as me. We became so close in the few days we were together. ... She dreams of one day being a professional singer and songwriter. She has never had any sort of musical or voice training, but she has such a beautiful voice and an amazingly creative imagination. Jennifer told me that she has written 141 songs, "And that's not counting the ones I haven't finished or the ones I don't like to sing anymore," she told me. All 141 of those songs are ones she sings regularly to all her younger brothers and sisters. ...
She told me that she only ever sings for her brothers and sisters and never has a chance to sing outside the house. I think I was the first person outside her immediate family that she has ever sung to. ... I asked if I could record her singing some of her songs. I wish I recorded all of them! She actually wrote me a song while I was there ("It's number 142!" she told me cheerily). I recorded that one, which she simply titled
"Miranda"

...
I also recorded another really fun and catchy one titled
​

"Where is my Superhero?"

But my favorite one, which she first sang to me on the way to Disney land, is titled
​

"My Dreams."

...
I asked J****** if I could post the video of her singing on here and her face just lit up. This will be the first time anyone outside her family will have heard her sing.
​

Links have been taken down.

 

[SATA]

Looks like the 17-year-old survivor is not the first in the family to sing on YouTube, which we know thanks to SATA's save. The children's cousin blogged after a 2011 visit to the Turpin family that the oldest daughter had written over 100 songs. The cousin recorded and posted three of them on YouTube.

My eldest cousin, Jennifer Dawn, is the same age as me. We became so close in the few days we were together. ... She dreams of one day being a professional singer and songwriter. She has never had any sort of musical or voice training, but she has such a beautiful voice and an amazingly creative imagination. Jennifer told me that she has written 141 songs, "And that's not counting the ones I haven't finished or the ones I don't like to sing anymore," she told me. All 141 of those songs are ones she sings regularly to all her younger brothers and sisters. ...
She told me that she only ever sings for her brothers and sisters and never has a chance to sing outside the house. I think I was the first person outside her immediate family that she has ever sung to. ... I asked if I could record her singing some of her songs. I wish I recorded all of them! She actually wrote me a song while I was there ("It's number 142!" she told me cheerily). I recorded that one, which she simply titled
"Miranda"

...
I also recorded another really fun and catchy one titled
​

"Where is my Superhero?"

But my favorite one, which she first sang to me on the way to Disney land, is titled
​

"My Dreams."

...
I asked Jennifer if I could post the video of her singing on here and her face just lit up. This will be the first time anyone outside her family will have heard her sing.
​

Links have been taken down.

I wish her songs would not have been taken down. She was happy about them being heard by people outside the family.
I think her voice should be heard too, like Jor´s.
People have received her music so well, I am sure the same would be the case for Jen.

 

[2Hope4]

I think the girls might have a place in entertainment, if that's what they want.

 

[Cafemalyn]

QUOTE=SATA;13994176]Thanks for your explanation.

I still think David´s role needs more attention.
I think he is the instigator and that he groomed Louise from a very young age. And as an already abused child, she was easy prey for him.

I think he is ANGRY they got caught, he has looked livid in court. I don´t see Louise being angry. I see her being clueless and confused.
If she was the main force, she would have been ANGRY like we see David.

I see her sending David submissive smiles, like she is looking for validation from him. I don´t see her as the dominant person in that relationship.

I am pretty alone with that view, I know. Time will tell, hopefully. I may be wrong.[/QUOTE]

FWIW, I think it is irrelevant which of them is “dominant.” This isn’t a contest about who is more responsible or more evil. They are both responsible and both evil.

Louise may have been vulnerable to David because of their relative ages and prior history of abuse. Especially in the early stages of their relationship, it would seem likely that he was the dominant personality in their relationship. But that doesn’t mean that he remained/is still dominant. We just don’t know.

I am very curious about David’s part in all this. All that we can know for sure so far is what is in the indictments. There seem to be more specific counts against Louise than David, but that is not surprising since she had more time with sole supervision of the kids. There is only one count against David for lewd behavior to a minor (or however it’s phrased) which could only be the tip of the iceberg... or it could be that there is no iceberg and the inappropriate touching was incidental to something else. (For example, maybe J-8 was trying to take a forbidden shower and David grabbed her to drag her away from the bathroom. She was naked/half-naked and, in grabbing her, his hands touched breasts or genitals. The purpose of the touch here would be “control” without it being sexual. I am not saying this is what happened. Just trying to explain how the touch may have been incidental.)

In any case, my point is that most of the details we have now about the abuse the kids suffered seem to center on perverted discipline, the need to control/punish, etc. It seems that both parents participated. So I can’t really see one partner as more resposible for the situation than the other.

If we get more information about Louise (from her sisters) it is natural that we are going to discuss her more. That is not the same as “bashing” her and ignoring David’s guilt.

Anyway you look at it, they are both guilty.