CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

[enelram]

My gosh! The mother is the only female with breasts! Weren't some of the daughters adults in this video?

There's a family photo where everyone has light blue tops on and there are 4 girls who had visibly developing breasts.
some fully developed. So I'm throwing out the thoughts that all the girls were too skinny to conceive a pregnancy.
Unless they lost menses due to later starvation, they looked to be in stage of possible fertility.

 

[Elley Mae]

"The neighbours MUST have known something was going on."

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-dont-blame-the-neighbours-11216567

I overheard this outside of the home of David and Louise Turpin in Perris in California this week.

I have heard it before.

 

[Abp5]

Just saw another photo w/ LT having bruises on upper arm like she was grabbed hard with force. It's on Daily Mail,
she's dressed like Snow White and has new baby also dressed up. Can anyone find this and post?

Nisey, both DT and LT have public defenders provided by court. This was all explained a while back on here by
our member attorney Gitana1.

Sorry, quoting myself.

Or could anyone explain what happened here?

:tyou:

The only thing I have seen was a comment from the oldest survivor’s former Kindergarten teacher (it was on the original post). The teacher said she was “tiny, timid, sweet, and very smart”. She also loved to talk to the other children. She said “Let this be a lesson that you never know what is going on in a students life.”

On a side note the classmate who made the post has now included the yearbook picture. It makes me angry and sad that in his ‘attempt’ to substantiate the truth in his story, he exploited her again.

 

[Doghairrules]

Sorry, quoting myself.

Or could anyone explain what happened here?

:tyou:

A third grade classmate of the oldest survivor wrote a fb post about how oldest was the “cootie” child that year and some msm picked it up.

I can’t find a link to the story right now, but it is somewhere on this thread from the last 24 hours.

 

[Errrr]

I think with the baby she was compliant as she was too little to be anything else, I bet as soon as that baby starts walking and talking, she would've received the same treatment.

I suspect a fresh new baby was the reason previous ones were thrown on the trash heap.

 

[ClaireNC]

So the 17 year brave soul would have been 12 or 13 years old. Could be her....

From the court papers and identification WS members have been able to piece together, it appears that the charge does relate to the 17 year old hero.

Here is a great timeline that JaxFlaGrl compiled:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...se-Case-NO-DISCUSSION&p=13879753#post13879753

 

[enelram]

abp5, thanks for finding and posting that link.
The more I look, the more instances I see of marks and injuries on the children's arms, probably from shackles.
These poor little POW's.

 

[sassyblue]

This was posted by Neeha Curtis @ Cleveland 19 News, on her FB page. I’ve copied and pasted the full text below.

* This is a post from someone who was in 3rd grade with the oldest daughter.
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J—— Turpin was the one girl at Meadowcreek Elementary that nobody wanted to be caught talking to. Every grade level had a designated "cootie kid" and she held the title for our year. She was a frail girl, had pin-straight hair with bangs, and often wore the same purple outfit. She was often made fun of by the other third graders because her clothes would sometimes look as though they had been dragged through mud, which she would also smell like on most days. I distinctly remember my entire third grade class scoffing at her one day because our teacher had asked her to discard a scrunchy she had used to tie her hair out of a discarded tin foil wrapper from an old Hershey's bar. After that year, J—— moved away, and she was forgotten about after we moved on to the the next "cootie kid."

Several years later, after high school, I found myself thinking about her again. I was bored at home and was passing the time by facebook stalking old elementary school classmates to see how they turned out, and I remember searching specifically for J——-. Her name was so distinct that there couldn't be any more than a few people who shared the name, yet no matching results came up. I had naturally assumed that J——- was one of the lucky few who hadn't been bit by the social media bug. I also thought somewhere, somehow, J——- was probably living her best life, showing up all of us gawky third graders in Mrs. Llano's class how far she'd come. She was going to be that person at the reunion looking completely flawless and making six figures while the rest of us tried to conceal our receding hair lines and minimum wage jobs.

I feel like we all kind of have that hope that those people who were marginalized growing up (sometimes by our own hands) somehow grew past those circumstances, and essentially grew up to kick in real life. That's what I had hoped for
J——-. That she had used the insults that we hurled at her, the isolation we provided for her, and the ill-looks we gave her and used it as ammunition to forge a successful path in life. I was so sure that was what had happened, but today I was in for a rude awakening (see articles below).

I've been reading these articles and seeing these statements and looking at these pictures, and I can't help but feel an overwhelming sense of guilt and shame. Of course, none of us are responsible for the events that ensued, but you can't help but feel rotten when the classmate your peers made fun of for "smelling like poop" quite literally had to sit in her own waste because she was chained to her bed. It is nothing but sobering to know that the person who sat across from you at the lunch table went home to squalor and filth while you went home to a warm meal and a bedtime story.

The resounding lesson here is a simple one, something that we're taught from the very beginning: be nice. Teach your children to be nice. If you see someone that's isolated, befriend them. If you see someone that's marginalized, befriend them. If you see someone that's different, befriend them. We can never completely put ourselves in others' shoes nor can we completely understand the circumstances that one is brought up in, but a simple act of kindness and acceptance may be the ray of hope that that person needs. Befriend the J——- Turpins of the world.

J——-, despite being vehemently vilified by her peers, was still one of the most pleasant people I have had the opportunity to meet. She had this whimsical optimism to her that couldn't be dampened, couldn't be doused no matter what anybody threw at her. That cheerful disposition is what makes me certain that J—— will prevail. That one day, I'll remember to facebook stalk her, and see that she is living her best life. That despite being let down by her parents and by her peers alike,
J——- rose above it all. And I'm going to be rooting for her, as her peer, as her classmate, as her friend. J—— Turpin: from "cootie girl" to "conquered the world."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5359201/house-horrors-turpin-family-kids-squalid-texas-home/

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Is this the one you were asking about AnaPisces?

Or there is this post about the eldest son...

Originally Posted by Elley Mae View Post
‘He Was Famished': Former College Classmate of Tortured Child Describes Encounter

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...470086943.html

Angie Parra took a music class with one of the older children of the brood at Mount San Jacinto College. She described the young man as a "sweet, but odd introvert" in an interview with NBC4.
Parra also said he was "famished" and recalled when he scarfed down food at a school potluck.
"He stood by the table and didn’t sit down," Parra said. "He literally ate plate after plate after plate."

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Yup, the sarcasm in that post is completely inappropriate and I'm not liking it one bit. It sounds way too much like the ridiculous denial from the grandparents saying "I don't believe the reports. There are other sides to the story."

Bull****. No there aren't any other sides. The kids were horrifically tortured and starved for years. The acute starvation that led to them being in the condition they were in when the Sheriffs found them probably lasted weeks. They had been starved off an on for the entire lives as a torturous "punishment". But who knows how long they had actually been chained up by the time they were finally rescued.

And YES, they were taunted with pies and other food by their sadistic "parents" while they were slowly starving to death. For God's sake, the Sheriffs were sickened by the smell of filth and human waste and found the kids chained to their beds. The 29 year old girl weighed 82 pounds, and a 12 year old weighed as much as a 7 year old...and yet somehow, someway, someone thinks that they wouldn't have taunted them with food they couldn't eat? Give me an effing break. The DA said this is what happened. And sorry, but I'm going to take the word of the DA and Sherriffs over some random person on a website.

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[PoirotryInMotion]

But it's so wasteful, particularly when they are alive and gifts and cards could actually be sent to them. Heck, they need the money blown on this stuff, and a nice card could actually be mailed to them.

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I don't know...everybody has their own love language, I guess. It's a bit like 'throwing away money' by leaving teddy bears and flowers at the cemetery where the victims (the dead) won't see it, and where they're thrown away within the month. It simply makes those grieving feel better. And some of these folks leaving balloons might also be sending cards and checks, for all we know. When it's a local thing, it seems to affect people even more deeply. It all adds up to love expression, based on circumstances and opportunity.

I guess I don't have it in me to criticize it really, as long as it's from the heart. With all the publicity and generous response already to the plight of these kids, I feel pretty confident they will have the resources needed, and the couple bucks here and there spent on bears and balloons will not make a difference in the quality of their care, but rather warm their hearts when they see the photos later on. (And that's practically a given in this day and age.)

 

[Elley Mae]

From the court papers and identification WS members have been able to piece together, it appears that the charge does relate to the 17 year old hero.

Here is a great timeline that JaxFlaGrl compiled:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...se-Case-NO-DISCUSSION&p=13879753#post13879753

Thanks.

Oct 2013 vowels renewed.

Pregnancy ? 2014

Youngest born ? 2015

Vowel renewal 2015

Braveheart starts planning escape 2015-2016


Yes i agree on dna test on youngest.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

From the court papers and identification WS members have been able to piece together, it appears that the charge does relate to the 17 year old hero.

Here is a great timeline that JaxFlaGrl compiled:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...se-Case-NO-DISCUSSION&p=13879753#post13879753

Can you explain how you came to this conclusion based on the timeline and court papers? I'm confused.

(ETA: there were 5-6 females <14 yrs of age during the offense time period.)

 

[Errrr]

I agree vmm, I think there's a whole heap of guilt in this neighborhood about now.

Recall the story of the Texas neighbour who wouldn't get involved because he knew David had a gun. Another rarely mentioned reason for American gun culture: it effectively keeps people out of your business.

 

[osu]

Sorry, quoting myself.

Or could anyone explain what happened here?

:tyou:

This thread, post #729
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...m/forums/showpost.php?p=13880026&share_type=t


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[Spice]

Good post Ct, Now I'll ask this community one important question:

Why do you suppose Dt's parents are so in denial and so vehemently disagreeing that this could be true about their son's family?

I have my suspicions but I'll let the rest of you answer to your thoughts. then I'll tell you a true story that relates.

I think it will be for a variety of reasons, with intergenerational family dysfunction at the forefront.

I think the patriarchal themes of religion will be also woven into most of their worldview. Women are to be submissive and modest as are children. Men are to be obeyed and deferred to.

I also believe that these are the grandparents that were at Disney with the "parents" a few years ago. They interacted with the survivors . Yet they were apparently not alarmed in the least and saw nothing amiss.

That in and of itself is astounding, as they would have been privy to their ages as well. That tells me a lot about "why" they may be in such unbelievably obtuse denial.
According to the grandfather's statement, they are already discounting the survivor's narratives of horrific chronic abuse. They raised DT.

I have NO WORDS for it.

I have no words.

 

[Mominmi]

Good post Ct, Now I'll ask this community one important question:

Why do you suppose Dt's parents are so in denial and so vehemently disagreeing that this could be true about their son's family?

I have my suspicions but I'll let the rest of you answer to your thoughts. then I'll tell you a true story that relates.

First, I am in no way excusing the grandparents but to answer your question about why they are in denial... to know you’ve raised a monster like DT coupled with knowledge you’d failed your own grandchildren by not recognizing their desperate need would be beyond the limit of my own psyche to absorb. Perhaps the same for them?

 

[Spice]

Good post Ct, Now I'll ask this community one important question:

Why do you suppose Dt's parents are so in denial and so vehemently disagreeing that this could be true about their son's family?

I have my suspicions but I'll let the rest of you answer to your thoughts. then I'll tell you a true story that relates.

I think it will be for a variety of reasons, with intergenerational family dysfunction at the forefront.

I think the patriarchal themes of religion will be also woven into most of their worldview. Women are to be submissive and modest as are children. Men are to be obeyed and deferred to.

I also believe that these are the grandparents that were at Disney with the "parents" a few years ago. They interacted with the survivors . Yet they were apparently not alarmed in the least and saw nothing amiss.

That in and of itself is astounding, as they would have been privy to their ages as well. That tells me a lot about "why" they may be in such unbelievably obtuse denial.
According to the grandfather's statement, they are already discounting the survivor's narratives of horrific chronic abuse. They raised DT. It makes me speculate what may have gone on under their roof and who may or may have not been believed...

I have NO WORDS for it.

I have no words.

 

[ksprincess]

Can you explain how you came to this conclusion based on the timeline and court papers? I'm confused.

(ETA: there were 5-6 females <14 yrs of age during the offense time period.)

The first 3 letters of the childs name are listed next to that charge in the court papers.

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[Niseyg123]

You wouldn’t think it would be a priority when they were financially strapped! It would have cost a lot to transport them all to Vegas, dress them and the chapel service cost itself.

It's the highly disordered personality type of people like LT. Whether you call them k just us collectors, or borderline/narcissistic personality disorder, it's all about them and the "show" and making themselves feel good no matter the cost. These types of people are very shortsighted and highly impulsive. There is little to no thought about long ten outcomes. All about short term gains. Deep inside they are woefully insecure and so they have to constantly prop themselves up by employing others and getting their next big" hit" whether it is Disneyland, vow renewals, etc.


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[PoirotryInMotion]

The first 3 initials of the child are listed next to that charge in the court papers.

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Woah, thanks.