CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

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  • #661
Something bugging me.
I have read that the journals and education levels were about first grade so forth. So, makes me wonder about the one shower a year comments. Did the one stating this have the concept of time? Lots of questions regarding what been released.
 
  • #662
My apologies if this has been previously posted. Article mentions piles of garbage left in the previous home.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/T...a-Children-Began-in-Fort-Worth-469990523.html

The former neighbor playmate mentioned the 2 dogs left at the home when the family moved were eating feces from diapers. I have heard no mention of diapers since they left Texas. It would seem that at some point the parents potty trained all of the children but then forced them to live in their own waste as they got older. The children were apparently able to have bladder and bowel control during the wedding video and pictures in Disney. Wondering why diaper an infant, potty train, and then force them to live where they were unable to use the toilet or shower? Is there an age that the parents refuse to provide health, safety and educational opportunities for their welfare?

My guess is that LT wanted to leave home at 16, presumably due to s.a. from a relative or family friend. DT, from that point on, was her rescuer and lifelong protector. Although they both probably wanted a large family, and LT maybe has an overly optimistic view of having a young baby, she doesn't seem to have been a capable parent, probably lost interest as the babies grew older and it might have been a cross between children who aren't really interacted with properly but also expected to keep quiet all the time, and I think that with her focus always on a baby that she probably couldn't 'control' the children very well, especially when DT was at work -- though I would question how much of a father he ever was when he was home from work.

So I imagine a scenario where LT has reached the end of her tether, they've already made the decision to keep the children inside (to protect them from the outside world with its dangers of 'wordly' things? and also probably in part to hide the earlier neglect and protect themselves from outside interference in how they chose to live?) but at some point the older children needing (in their minds) to be kept quiet, kept from raiding the fridge, I envisage LT breaking down and DT seeing this like an engineering problem...solution is to bind the most lively children to their beds, in part as punishment for 'bad behavior' and in part as a fix to a perceived problem. That may have led to locking the children in their rooms and not even bothering to unlock the door to feed the children or let them use the bathroom.

With 15 people in the home I guess hot water might have become an issue and so the earliest answer might have been to ban daily showers. I would think that the restrictions on washing only their hands and not past the wrist would have started as a water-saving measure? Possibly due to LT's own childhood, maybe she associated controlling children with parenting them and loving them? Parents will often tell a child that rules and lack of choices for a child is down to the parent loving them, but in a very strict household, and where there might also be abuse of a child, that lesson will sink in in a different way, and maybe be understood in a twisted way compared to how we'd normally think of it.

I think whoever said that the religious aspect of this is more about the 'cult of LT and DT' has it spot on. I think they've both likely grown up with very strict religious backgrounds, and maybe LT in particular was trying in part to keep the things that she perceived as good, but also to rebel from it and insert the things she felt were good...such of the fantasy of Disney and stories of young women with rubbish lives meeting their prince charming and living happily ever after. Sweet stories that don't really touch on adult topics. Safe stories. So I think they've borrowed aspects of organized religion --the Bible, letting God choose the size of one's family, conservative clothing, etc -- and then added in their own things that are just personal happy things for them, like Disney and Elvis, and it didn't matter to them whether those things would be religiously sanctioned, and maybe if they're not religiously sanctioned it's even more important as it's a part of the rebellion and the building of their own 'cultic regime'.

In the 70s I was a bridesmaid and wore a similar dress to those plaid ones. Mine was white in a satiny-fabric, and I was four years old. I think in some respects LT is pulling out some happy things from her own childhood and trying to incorporate them into this weird groundhog day existence, like recreating the original wedding that marked her escape. I don't think from LT and DT's perspective that DT was kidnapping LT, I think that was her parents' perspective. I think from LT/DT perspective she was being rescued and that wedding day and starting their own family was the happiest time of their lives...they just didn't know how to move on from there, didn't have the faith that it could still be good if you let kids grow up properly and allow the kids access to a dangerous outside world. So I think it's been a slide down, punctuated by events that forced even more extreme measures to be taken to protect what they'd built and to stop the fantasy collapsing in on itself completely.

I have two thoughts, one is 'how to boil a frog' and the other is about being backed into a corner. If you raise the temperature of the water a frog is in very slowly it won't be able to tell how much hotter the water has got, and will stay until it boils. Sometimes people don't start off 100% evil, they just take steps on a ladder, and each step might not be that far from the last. But if you combine that with being backed into a corner, your options become fewer each step you take, and so there's a combination of each step making the next not seem so extreme as if you looked at it as an A-Z leap, but also that the options are reducing each time a step is taken, and you can't go backwards, so you keep going forwards or sideways, but always digging a deeper hole, and each step makes it harder to get out of that hole, just like being stuck in a corner with reduced options.

I'm so sorry for the length of my posts in this thread.
 
  • #663
so they managed to free 2 children but the third was still chained by the time the police gained entry. so did they force their way in,orwas the door answered?

I have wondered about that too. My guess would be that the police arrived at the door in a group, banged loudly on the door, and yelled police, open up. Whoever answered the door, they would have told that they had a report of child abuse, and needed to see all the children immediately. The children may have been unchained at that time. Or they certainly had enough probable cause with the pictures, so they could have forced their way in. In which case, they may have unchained the children while that was happening. But I don't think that is very likely. Doing it that way would have been risky and probably unnecessary.
 
  • #664
Honestly, I find this strange. It's one thing to volunteer to be a foster family for the children, but to volunteer to adopt all of them this soon seems irresponsible.

It's so soon in the process that the evaluations they've had are likely not completely accurate as to their needs. The kids are still in shock, they've rarely interacted with outsiders, and clearly haven't had even the most basic "home training" so to speak.

To me it seems like a group home situation where there is a round-the-clock staff would be wise. 3-4 adults during the day to help the children with basic activities of daily living, helping them learn routines, have the beginnings of some school lessons, learning how to do chores, supervising their eating and nutritional needs, etc.

It's going to take a long time for any of them to feel secure about there always being enough food. Some of them will probably overeat at meals and hoard food due to their fears, and it will take an expert to help them with just this by itself.

Then there should be 1-2 adults there awake at night in case the children awaken with nightmares or have any other issues. Now that they are being exposed to the outside world, it's likely they'll all start falling victim to the myriad of viruses most people experience as children, and with their weakened immune systems due to malnutrition it will be important to monitor them carefully.

It's extremely difficult for two adults to care for a large family of their own, let alone a large family such as this one with so many problems and fears. I just think it's really unwise to place them with only 1-2 adults at this stage.

Agreed. This is not a "charity" case, but many will feel compelled to help without thinking about the full ramifications of what they are getting into! Let's just hope that the healthcare and legal staff overseeing their placement is ensuring that these kids come with a full
Support team. I have a friend who is a foster mother, and has fostered and ultimately adopted two children who came from very bad situations. They had home healthcare workers and therapists lined up for the kids. It was a lot for my friend and she got the two a couple years apart. I can't imagine taking in 13 unless it's like you said a group home type set up.


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  • #665
Monster Dad worked for government contractor firms, and most likely required a government “clearance” to work there. How the h@ll did he pass the background investigation to get a clearance...if he did?

Concerning....

He had no criminal record, and has never been arrested before this.
 
  • #666
What was the original story about the shower?

I thought very similar, but she did not include her sister in it.

Her original story was that he walked in on her while she was taking a shower. He laughed about it and didn't immediately leave , which made her uncomfortable. Nothing about Louise being with him, nothing about picking the lock, nothing about having to get out of the shower in front of them. It's like a fish story where the fish you caught gets bigger and bigger each time you tell the story.
 
  • #667
Oh boy she’s (rightly) fired up

https://twitter.com/arngrim/status/954895747790417920

I know, you never "really know" your neighbors and things can go on "behind closed doors", but..if I "suspect" my neighbors MIGHT possibly be FREAKING CHAINING PEOPLE UP TO THE DAMN FURNITURE, I'm going to call the police. Maybe it's just me.



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  • #668
King Turpin Jr is/was DT grandfather according to the obit posted for DT grandmother. There is a book written by RT and extensive family tree info all over the internet about it. There is even a FB group for King Turpin Jr descendants. The extended families seem deep rooted in religion but there have been several comments that DT and LT had abandoned their religion.

That is the grandmother that obit said had at time of death April 2011- 10 bio children, 80 grandchildren, 167great grandchildren and 63 great great grandchildren
 
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My belief at this time is many more “lewd act” charges will follow. I believe based on what has been released so far, that the brave 17 year old who helped bring these two monsters down is probably the only one at this time that has the courage to speak up. The charge is in relation to her. Once the others are strong enough to speak up, I believe we will see many,many many more charges.
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Sadly im guessing you're right. This is a stunningly disgusting case.

Rosesfromangels, that is a very interesting question...

I don't know anyone who ever worked with a company that did work for the Federal government, so I don't know what is involved in getting clearance. But you would think that at some point, it would involve someone paying a visit to the house and talking with the spouse at the very least. I mean, I guess it would really depend on what level his clearance had to be, but I know that General Dynamics and Northrup both build military aircraft. If you're working at a company that is anyway involved in defense contracts, you would think there would be very detailed background checks. And it seems like I read somewhere that they do even talk with family members. What the heck happened there??

I'd have to look at the timeline again, but is it possible THIS is why he and Mommy Dearest were living somewhere else separate from the kids at one point? Maybe it wasn't the trailer. Maybe they had another house or apartment somewhere that looked more "normal" so he could pass background checks? I know this is a lot of speculation and theorizing, but it would kind of make sense. If so, these creeps somehow managed to fool the government too?

They don't inspect your house for background checks but they may have wondered if someone would?

I'm thinking about the joys of newly discovered beautiful things these survivors will now get to experience, the basic things in life, dignity, feeling clean, tasting foods they've never eaten...

I wonder how comfortable they are with all the things people normally enjoy. Like sometimes people who suffer extreme abuse seek out rejection and abuse because they feel unmoored and too uncertain by normalcy.

I imagine that there were given so much time to answer and when they didn't, as they were unshackling the other two, they forced their way in before the third could be freed. That's just how I imagine it though, I don't know for a fact.

I envisioned LE standing at the door when it was open and watching the parents run to unshackle two of the kids while they were at the door, but failing to get to the third.

I wonder what that moment felt like for those poor kids.
 
  • #671
I have wondered about that too. My guess would be that the police arrived at the door in a group, banged loudly on the door, and yelled police, open up. Whoever answered the door, they would have told that they had a report of child abuse, and needed to see all the children immediately. The children may have been unchained at that time. Or they certainly had enough probable cause with the pictures, so they could have forced their way in. In which case, they may have unchained the children while that was happening. But I don't think that is very likely. Doing it that way would have been risky and probably unnecessary.

I think it's possible that Louise Turpin opened the door and spoke to the police while David Turpin, realizing cops were at the door, began untying the kids. Cops probably forced themselves into the house pass Louise to check on the kids, going by the photos they had seen. Then discovered the son still tied up. Just a guess.
 
  • #672
Her original story was that he walked in on her while she was taking a shower. He laughed about it and didn't immediately leave , which made her uncomfortable. Nothing about Louise being with him, nothing about picking the lock, nothing about having to get out of the shower in front of them. It's like a fish story where the fish you caught gets bigger and bigger each time you tell the story.

Spot on example. I thought the same. A few years ago the sister had a gofundme for herself and last year she had a new book come out. Publicity would be an advantage for her right now.
 
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Since the survivors have cousins their age and they went on family trips, I assume they would have seen cell phones. Teens tend to be glued to their cellphones. They probably also watched their parents use them if they were ever ‘not’ locked away. If the oldest son was in class with other kids he would also have seen phones.
It looks like they went on one trip with extended family to Disney several years ago. Disney is just an hour or so from where they live. I assume they just drove there to meet family members for the day or maybe even just a few hours. Not likely that they spent much time with their cousins.

I'm sure they have seen cell phones, since their parents had them in the house.

My question is: how did the 17 year old girl know to dial 911? (Some of the children didn't know what a police officer was.)

How did she know that the deactivated phone would work?
 
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Im a little behind the times, trying to get up to speed on this case. Understand much more now that I watched 20/20. anyone else get a Jodi Arias type vibe from Louise? Looking at the photos from the arraignment, the way she's interacting with her lawyer and her being perplexed as to why she was being arrested gave me some Arias flashbacks. Just had that haughty arrogance air to it. Something else interesting to me is her hiring a private lawyer. If they are bankrupt, how is she affording the lawyer?


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  • #677
Not sure if anyone has noticed yet but the Disneyland pictures were took at different times... In the Eeyore picture, one of the youngest girls has bangs and David Turpin has on a Star Wars shirt. In the picture with David Turpin's brother and his family, none of the girls appear to have bangs and David Turpin is wearing a different shirt.

Seems the kids were only allowed to have a select few clothes for public. The dresses and suits in the vow renewals, the Dr. Seuss shirts, the red and blue collared shirts, and then the Disneyland shirts. So horrible for the kids.

The one with the Eeyore photo, I think, was taken, at the same time as DT's parents came to see them. DT's shirt is the same. DT's parents mentioned that they dressed the kids all alike to better keep track of them. I don't know about elsewhere, but I've noticed that dressing kids alike, at amusement parks, is a thing in these parts. However, if one thinks about the Ts excuse for being "safe" as a reason for matching the kids, it's a big ole flop.

Parent: Excuse me, kind Security Guard, but I can't find my son and daughter. He's in a dark blue Toy Story shirt, and she's in a pink Princess Jasmine shirt. I'm sure they'll stand right out, here at DISNEY, and you'll find them in no time flat. /s

We've never done matching shirts, on family outings, b/c, unless done, as I've read,suggested, and have the kids wear some hideous color that no one else would wear, I don't really see much benefit in matching shirts. However, most of the T. kids had not been educated much past a first grade level, so, when they put them in the shirts, they may have told them, if you try to run away, you'll be easy for us to find, and you'll be punished. If that was the case, the I'd say the kids believed them.

I was sitting here thinking about my grandchildren. The Ts had deliberately cut these kids off from any kin, who they could have developed a bond with, and felt they could have talked to. These kids had been so isolated. There was no trust built up, for one of them to take a chance, and tell grandma or grandpa, or their aunt or uncle, when they came out to visit. They were basically strangers to them. They couldn't take a chance telling them. If it backfired, they would be punished. To look at those photos, w/o knowing the backstory, you'd never guess what was going on at home.

I think, that with some work, they'll be okay. As much as the parents tried to beat them down and crush their spirits, they formed a plan and succeeded. They had each other all of this time too, and even if their parents treated them cruelly, they apparently didn't treat each other that way. Something inside them knew that there was more out there, and I think they'll soak it up.


Sorry, I know I'm rambling, it's just, hard to wrap the mind around.
 
  • #678
I hadn't posted on here in so long, got a new phone and had to register again... Been following intently but not sure if anyone has raised this:

From the unblurred photos out there (Disneyland with Eeyore) the older boy is wearing glasses and a wrist watch. Is this the kid who went to college? I wonder if his eyesight was checked by a professional prior to going to college. I don't see any of the other kids wearing a watch.

Could the watch be covering scarring or bruising? Can he tell the time?

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Excellent observation!
 
  • #679
Something bugging me.
I have read that the journals and education levels were about first grade so forth. So, makes me wonder about the one shower a year comments. Did the one stating this have the concept of time? Lots of questions regarding what been released.

I wondered that myself. Maybe that's how they celebrated their birthdays??? Or maybe it was on their trips to Disney and Vegas???
 
  • #680
Please see my post # 432 above. The children are not going anywhere yet, the miscommunication was about the DOGS being ready for adoption.

IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST 18 MONTHS TO TERMINATE THE PARENTAL RIGHTS
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/us/whats-next-for-turpin-children/index.html

Yes but they're not going to stay in the hospital until then.

A poster wondered how one could set up residence for 13 people quickly. I say "hold my beer". Give me one day. With my credit cards and best friends, we would have it done by dinner time.

When there is a will, there is a way. LOL

My posse' is the best.

Just saying.

Does anyone know the foster care requirements for how many kids/rooms/beds per house? A four bedroom home could fit four kids in bunk beds in three rooms but it would be tight. Would it be allowed? Would it be good for them? Or too reminiscent of the hell they came from?

I know with the cellar kids in Austia they put them in a cocoon like environment in the hospital and gradually expanded it. Because they would feel unmoored otherwise by too much space.

I have no idea how they even figure out what's best for these kids psychologically.
 
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