Found Deceased CA - Alex Holden, 25, Sacramento, 31 Dec 2019

[Auntie Cipation]

Could he have bicycled to work? Eleven miles seems like a reasonable distance for that. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Then how did he get to work every day? I'd thought earlier that maybe he'd ridden in with his girlfriend, but original posts talked about him being due back at work Sunday night, and her complaining because she had to be up early morning for work.

It was around 13 miles to work each way.

This is a great question. I was just poking around online and apparently there is no company transportation option (such as a company bus). And someone actually priced out an Uber from Sacramento on a site and it was crazy expensive. And there is no way he ran to and from work every day.

So I don’t know how he got to work unless he and his gf went in together. She must just have had different vacation days. Or maybe his car had recently broken down- I can’t remember if it was stated as fact how long the car had not been working (?).


MOO.

Could he have bicycled to work? Eleven miles seems like a reasonable distance for that. MOO

Relative to how Alex may have gotten to work -- reportedly, he lived in Midtown Sacramento near L Street & 22nd.

Without knowing his actual address, I selected a random apartment building at about L Street and 21st (St Anton Bldg Apts).

The Walk Score for this apartment neighborhood is 96 (Walker's Paradise) and Transit Score is 56 (Good Transit).

If anybody knows Alex's Amazon work address it's pretty easy to determine his transit options (car, bike, walk, transit) using google maps.

MOO

St. Anton Building Apartments Apartments - Sacramento, CA | Apartments.com

 

[Seajay]

I would swear that in the original news stories and statements, it said he only took his passport. I'm going to look around a bit.

If it was edited later, wonder why?

I remember it that way, too. In the beginning of the case. Thread 1, I think would have it. FWIW

 

[cb73]

Reportedly, AH lived in Midtown, Sacramento near L Street & 22nd.

Without knowing his actual address, I selected a random apartment building at about L Street and 21st (St Anton Bldg Apts).

The Walk Score for this apartment neighborhood is 96 (Walker's Paradise) and Transit Score is 56 (Good Transit).

If anybody knows Alex's Amazon work address it's pretty easy to determine his transit options using google maps.

MOO

St. Anton Building Apartments Apartments - Sacramento, CA | Apartments.com

Well, yes. There's private car, taxi or Uber. That's about the options.

The city bus' furthest route is to North Natomas Regional Park, which is about 6 miles shy of Amazon.

 

[Seattle1]

Well, yes. There's private car, taxi or Uber. That's about the options.

The city bus' furthest route is to North Natomas Regional Park, which is about 6 miles shy of Amazon.

I don't know the Amazon address you're speaking of but it sounds to me like Alex walking is not so outlandish after all.

Also, my post was really to address the questions of how Alex got to work.

 

[Sillybilly]

Reminder as per Tricia's post , Reddit is off limits.

Also, members posting as an insider are requested to apply for VI status; instructions can be found here.

 

[almagata]

Last week, a man that was boating on the Sacramento River near Chico was thrown with his dog into the river after hitting a submerged log in his small boat. I'm attaching his post about the experience so that people can understand how cold the water is in our area rivers right now. Tanner was very lucky to keep his wits about him and survive despite not having a life vest on. Chico is about 80 miles north of Sacramento but the river that Tanner was thrown into, the Sacramento River, joins the American River just above downtown Sacramento.

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As the dust settles an I can finally relax and recover, I wanted to share this with those who were actually concerned for me and my dog these last few days. It's a lot to read, but there's a meaning behind all this.

On January 18th that night will forever be imprinted in my head. I'm sure everyone knows about my boat accident due to the highly shared posts and all the help I received these last few days. That Saturday, all the snow run off and rain from Thursdays storm raised the river a bit and caused some debris to float down.

I had literally just dropped off one of my best friends Sean Higgins, who was fishing with me all morning that day and I was headed back out for an evening fishing trip with my dog.
As I was heading down river to Scotty's, using the rivers current to move my boat even faster down river, my engine caught a tree I went over that was floating under water I hadn't seen, and within a blink of an eye, my engine shaft ripped from my hand and my boat did a complete 180, throwing me and my dog, my gun, and some gear all out into the middle of that river anywhere between (20-30 MPH).

As my face connected with that water, all I remember is the slap I felt and all the water blowing through my eyes and mouth as I skipped across that water (like tubing on a lake), when I came up to the surface my boat was spinning out of control at full throttle. The water was so damn cold I instantly went into shock, it took my breath away.

The first time the boat went over me I tried to grab on to it and it through me back under water, as I came back up to surface I saw it hitting my dog as he was trying to get away (which is why I believed he was dead) then it came back at me, I dove under water as deep as I could go and I felt and heard the jet go right over the top of my head. That's when I knew I had to get away from it.

I started trying to swim and at that point is when I started to sink, I couldn't keep my head above water and I just kept swallowing water as I went under. I tried taking my "jackets" off when I went under but everything stuck to me like a glove, I couldn't even kick off my boots.
At that point the river bank was still soo far away and my only thought was to blow out all my air and drown myself to just get it over with. The worst thought of my life. Nobody should ever experience that thought. It literally just did not seem possible in any way that I was gonna make it to shore due to me sinking and all the water I was swallowing.

As I thought to blow out all my air, so many people went through my head. This is real !
"Mine and my mom's last conversation, my dad's last phone call with me, I thought about all the people that would be affected by it, I thought about how I'd be (letting down Cash if he did make it), idk where these thoughts came from but when they hit me, they caused a fight to come out of me that I've never experienced.

That river wanted my body, and had no mercy for me.

Some how, some way, I literally just started floating, and when I started floating I quit moving and learned quick that moving and fighting was sinking me. I kept my lips just enough above surface to take deep breaths and float until the current finally swept me to a tree hanging off shore and it did. (it felt like forever)

When I made it to shore I started throwing up over and over and couldn't move, I still thought I was about to pass out. After about 15 minutes of laying there, I took off all my clothes except my long johns and boots and that's when I started to make my move.

I was running for over an hour half naked lost in direction with no energy, freezing like I never had before and my lower back was in some serious pain. I started screaming for help but I was to far from anyone. At one point I laid down and gave up in a walnut orchard and decided I was gonna let search and rescue find me. But when I laid down I got sick again and even more cold and then I thought about a buddy named "Dru Clark" who walked over 2 miles after he crashed a plane a few years back, and saved himself and his buddies and that "thought" is what made me get back up and keep moving.

I could hear Hispanic music far in the distance and I knew that's where I needed to go.
I ran, I crawled, I did everything in my power to make it to that music and I made it.
At first the people were confused because a half naked man came running out from the darkness of there orchard yelling "call 911". But they caught on to the seriousness quickly.
A man wrapped me up and put me in his warm car until medics and police arrived. I denied medical attention due to my health insurance and honestly I just wanted to find my dog and boat.

Two damn good local fisherman found my boat almost 3 miles down river from where I wrecked, still spinning in circles at full throttle and somehow caught it for me and got that damn engine to shut down.I seriously can't thank everyone enough who played a huge part in this whole story, especially David Collins. Thank you brother, it's good to know I have a real brother out there like you. Much love my dude.

Sooo in the picture below is all the gear I had on and NO LIFE JACKET.
Nobody floats with that much gear on, nobody gets thrown into the middle of a river like I did without a LIFE JACKET in January water temps without dying. It just does not happen.
I've never believed in anything, and I am far from being religious. But I swear to god, something greater than myself kept me floating down that river that day without sinking.
I know this is a lot to read, but I finally am able to share the full story and relax.
Thanks for everyone who shared my dogs post and gave me their time and efforts.
Never hesitate to reach out to me for any sorts of help, I owe all of you my time.
This has completely changed my perspective on my life, my family, myself, and I will be living life in the slow lane for now on.

When you think you got nothing left, keep fighting. You have to fight if you want to live.

Thanks again my friends.
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The American River is relatively shallow and clear compared to the Sacramento River but both rivers are at about 49 degrees.

 

[Razz]

Did his dog survive?!

 

[almagata]

Did his dog survive?!

The people in the area went out and searched the levee north and south of the accident site for a couple of days looking for the dog. They did find the dog and "Cash" was reunited with Tanner.

 

[Joseph.dale]

Like somebody else said, had the girl gone missing, everyone here wouldn’t have tunnel vision on her being in the water.

Especially considering all of the other circumstances.

 

[Vail]

There is always the alcohol and water element. Always. However, the water ways have all been searched and if he was in the water, his body would have surfaced by now.

Usually, if a girl disappears after a fight with her SO, we are looking at her man. So, OTOH, if it’s reversed, she’d have to have help. Or anyone harming him at the apartment would have to have help. There was no reported ruckus, right? JMO

A few pages back I posted links to a bunch of drowning cases in the winter months demonstrating how this is not true. We are coming up on the earliest his body might surface now that it has been 3 weeks. There has furthermore not ben any actual thorough searche of the river where his body would actually be - divers searching under the pipe bridge is great but he would have floated downriver by several hundred yards if not miles by now. LE has only searched the river using boats afaik - it wasn't even reported that they used sonar or cadaver dogs at any point. I'm just pointing this out as it is very dangerous to discount any theory until there is absolute evidence ruling it out. I am not sure why LE told the friends/fam that he would have been found already if he was in the river - they can't possibly know that so absolutely. It is something you say 3-4 months later, not in the first week.

As for KP, what do you think she did? She is tiny. LE did search the apartment and building/immediate area. If they had seen anything remotely looking like someone died in the apartment they'd have probable cause for a warrant. If they learned she was with someone else or was cheating on him or in any way suspicious, they'd likely say it is a suspicious disappearance. LE's behaviour, to me, says they think he will turn up deceased. I'm not even sure I can put stock in the possible Amazon/work-related upset since it doesn't jive with the details and timing of his disappearance and all of his work related friends have said nothing about work being a factor.

The thing about his d.l. and or lack thereof and a non working car taking up valuable parking space in front of their residence worries me a bit and the reason being, and I'm speculating, that maybe he somehow lost privileges re driving. Maybe because of DUI's.

I wonder if his alcohol use was a problem. I am keenly aware (fair or unfair) of these kind of scenarios. So I am speculating. But if it was and I was the gf, I'd be kicking his junky posterior out the door.

He does not appear to have a record. Keep in mind his parents are judges.

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Here's a map from his apt to the bridge and a pic while on the bridge. It certainly looks jump-able if that's what happened. How he got there without being seen on several business cams is where I pause.

Yeah that bridge is ultra sketchy. I'm not really as surprised about the cameras as I was early on - there are a lot of residential streets with no cams, businesses with non-functional cams, no cams on the bridge lack of actual LE canvasing for footage early on, and by now so much time has passed it will be amazing if they find him on camera. Hopefully Alex's case will bring the lack of coverage to light and help the community understand why it is important.

For those of you wondering, The Amazon fulfilment center Alex worked at is by the Sacramento Airport which is north of Natomas. I speculate he carpooled or caught a commuter bus. Also 60$ may be how much a cab costs to get to the airport, but it is also about how much a gram of cocaine or MDMA costs. I don't believe for a second that LE don't know whether he took a flight that night/next day or not.

 

[Beth11311]

On another forum I suggested reaching out to Gene and Sandy Ralston, an older couple who have devoted their lives to searching bodies of water and recovering bodies. They’ve recovered over 120 bodies, use sonar, and are volunteer-based so they do not charge. They seem to be incredibly knowledgeable and this would be a perfect case for them. The Guardian ran a story on them recently that I’m linking below.

I agree that now would be the earliest he might surface, but that area has plenty of underwater branches and other things he could be caught on. He would also, as @Vail said, be far from where they have searched with the currents and flow.

When I was younger I went rafting out that way (can’t recall which river) but it looks deceivingly mellow. It’s not. It’s fast, and very very cold.

Bring up the bodies: the retired couple who find drowning victims

 

[Joseph.dale]

Why are you guys so certain about the water?

Not a single video has him heading there. And they looked. That’s why the parents listed his favorite bars because they think “he may have headed back towards the bars.” Based on a complete lack of evidence of him heading in any way towards water. Yes, the dogs picked up on a scent well PAST the river, but he’s been there many times.

Based on the complete lack of evidence, one can only conclude that he didn’t go towards the water.

 

[Deleted member 718]

FWIW Alex lived on I street, not L street. Photo of apt taken from a news report video

"Alex Holden was last seen by his girlfriend, Kennedi Perri, leaving his I street apartment in downtown Sacramento around 2:30 a.m. on Dec. 31"


Family offers $10K reward for information on man missing in Sacramento since New Year's Eve

 

[cluciano63]

Why are you guys so certain about the water?

Not a single video has him heading there. And they looked. That’s why the parents listed his favorite bars because they think “he may have headed back towards the bars.” Based on a complete lack of evidence of him heading in any way towards water. Yes, the dogs picked up on a scent well PAST the river, but he’s been there many times.

Based on the complete lack of evidence, one can only conclude that he didn’t go towards the water.

I do not have an opinion either way...but assuming police know more than we so, they seemed to have been led to search in water pretty early on.

 

[Beth11311]

I do not have an opinion either way...but assuming police know more than we so, they seemed to have been led to search in water pretty early on.

Same. I really don’t have enough information to be SURE about anything. But based on LE searches, our dear friend Occam, and the sheer number of cases of men who end up in the water, I think it’s the most likely and valid location he could be.

On the other hand, the aliens might be at it again...

 

[Alethea]

A few pages back I posted links to a bunch of drowning cases in the winter months demonstrating how this is not true. We are coming up on the earliest his body might surface now that it has been 3 weeks. There has furthermore not ben any actual thorough searche of the river where his body would actually be - divers searching under the pipe bridge is great but he would have floated downriver by several hundred yards if not miles by now. LE has only searched the river using boats afaik - it wasn't even reported that they used sonar or cadaver dogs at any point. I'm just pointing this out as it is very dangerous to discount any theory until there is absolute evidence ruling it out. I am not sure why LE told the friends/fam that he would have been found already if he was in the river - they can't possibly know that so absolutely. It is something you say 3-4 months later, not in the first week.

As for KP, what do you think she did? She is tiny. LE did search the apartment and building/immediate area. If they had seen anything remotely looking like someone died in the apartment they'd have probable cause for a warrant. If they learned she was with someone else or was cheating on him or in any way suspicious, they'd likely say it is a suspicious disappearance. LE's behaviour, to me, says they think he will turn up deceased. I'm not even sure I can put stock in the possible Amazon/work-related upset since it doesn't jive with the details and timing of his disappearance and all of his work related friends have said nothing about work being a factor.



He does not appear to have a record. Keep in mind his parents are judges.



Yeah that bridge is ultra sketchy. I'm not really as surprised about the cameras as I was early on - there are a lot of residential streets with no cams, businesses with non-functional cams, no cams on the bridge lack of actual LE canvasing for footage early on, and by now so much time has passed it will be amazing if they find him on camera. Hopefully Alex's case will bring the lack of coverage to light and help the community understand why it is important.

For those of you wondering, The Amazon fulfilment center Alex worked at is by the Sacramento Airport which is north of Natomas. I speculate he carpooled or caught a commuter bus. Also 60$ may be how much a cab costs to get to the airport, but it is also about how much a gram of cocaine or MDMA costs. I don't believe for a second that LE don't know whether he took a flight that night/next day or not.

Agree with all your points. $60 is also the amount of money you may take out of an ATM if you’re going out for a night. ATMs primarily dispense in $20s so I don’t think there’s anything we can glean from how much money was on him. If he had $600 or $6000 I think there’d be a lot of room for speculation but otherwise I don’t see it.

 

[Vail]

Why are you guys so certain about the water?

Not a single video has him heading there. And they looked. That’s why the parents listed his favorite bars because they think “he may have headed back towards the bars.” Based on a complete lack of evidence of him heading in any way towards water. Yes, the dogs picked up on a scent well PAST the river, but he’s been there many times.

Based on the complete lack of evidence, one can only conclude that he didn’t go towards the water.

Something convinced LE and SAR teams to focus ground searches on discovery park, it's riverbanks, and the Northgate section on the north side of the bridge. There is so far no confirmed evidence he went anywhere beyond 20th & I. I'm not personally convinced he is in the river, I just know it is statistically likely, and if he is found there it will probably be because he fell off the bridge. If he didn't have a misadventure that night, he is successfully executing a well-crafted plan to disappear in spite of his seemingly spontaneous exit.

 

[Osugal]

Where did our little insider person go?

 

[distracted]

Today I have been thinking about Kenzie Lueck and how her friends took a much different approach. They were certain that Kenzie didn't just walk away from her life and they convinced LE and the media that she would not do that. And they were right. I am firmly convinced that without their advocacy, Kenzie's case would be unsolved.

In a few days, Alex will be missing a month. If they, as a group, got together this week just before the one month anniversary and made a plea to the press and to LE that Alex has strong ties to the community and to his family, and that this is so out of character for him, perhaps they would at least be able to convince LE to classify his disappearance as suspicious which would allow Apple to turn over his account information.

The key to his whereabouts is on that phone or stored in his iCloud, neither of which the family have been able to access.