GUILTY CA - Aramazd Andressian, 5, South Pasadena, 18 April 2017 #2

[Mominmi]

Thank you. It is just so frustrating! LE would be a very difficult job, for so many reasons, but watching someone it seems is at the least guilty of creating the circumstances which allowed the child to be abducted, lost, hurt, etc.... watching them free and seemingly unwilling to assist, well, that is mind boggling how frustrating that would be!

It could. They don't know what happened to the little cherub. But let's say he died after being trapped in a hot car because dad was out of it after ingesting someone else's prescription. I'm not sure but it's possible that a possession charge could cause jeopardy to attach to a later homicide charge.

I think it's typical in cases like this when it appears obvious a parent did something, (or didn't do something they should have), for there to be no charges until the strongest charges can occur. Frustrating though. Because he seems to escape consequence for his actions that led to the little one being missing.

 

[WebWoman]

<modsnip>The boy's mother had filed for a domestic violence restraining order which a <modsnip> judge denied<modsnip>. That's why the exchanges took place at a police station.

Has he explained why he had doused his car in gasoline early in the morning when the boy would have supposedly been in the car with him? I do find the witness who claims to have seen the boy at the lake with him to be credible. I think those who think he somehow convinced people to take the boy out of the country when he's lost his job and trying to avoid child support to be false hope.

Edit to add: don't forget even when we knew Scott Peterson was guilty of murdering his pregnant wife he was free for a very long time until her body was recovered. They can't press charges without either a confession or a body.

 

[cvaldez1975]

she actually owed him child support.

I don't think most fathers are wrong in seeking shared care of children. and fathers need a lawyer. I just sat through 15 months and over 25k in lawyer fees so I have seen it with my own eyes. mom can make an accusation and its usually given credence. fathers have to take a butt load of "classes" that cost money. its also common for moms to make DV accusations and file for TRO because a TRO gives mom temp custody of the kids and mars the father in future hearings. THIS TACTIC is why judges don't always automatically believe it anymore.

ALL THAT BEING SAID.... I agree that this guy is guilty of something and I feel for the mom. I pray this baby is found.

<modsnip>. The boy's mother had filed for a domestic violence restraining order which a <modsnip> judge denied <modsnip>. That's why the exchanges took place at a police station.

Has he explained why he had doused his car in gasoline early in the morning when the boy would have supposedly been in the car with him? I do find the witness who claims to have seen the boy at the lake with him to be credible. I think those who think he somehow convinced people to take the boy out of the country when he's lost his job and trying to avoid child support to be false hope.

Edit to add: don't forget even when we knew Scott Peterson was guilty of murdering his pregnant wife he was free for a very long time until her body was recovered. They can't press charges without either a confession or a body.

 

[xenawarrior]

<modsnip> The father had been awarded 50/50 custody 4/13/2017. Also the mother was ordered to pay child support. Not the other way around. <modsnip> There is absolutely no evidence of the father harming the child. Nobody can explain what took place until someone confesses. We can sit here all day every day coming up with our own version of what happened. <modsnip> Father won 50/50 custody. Mother was ordered to pay child support. Mother's claim for TRO denied given evidence provided in court.

<modsnip> The boy's mother had filed for a domestic violence restraining order which a <modsnip> judge denied<modsnip>. That's why the exchanges took place at a police station.

Has he explained why he had doused his car in gasoline early in the morning when the boy would have supposedly been in the car with him? I do find the witness who claims to have seen the boy at the lake with him to be credible. I think those who think he somehow convinced people to take the boy out of the country when he's lost his job and trying to avoid child support to be false hope.

Edit to add: don't forget even when we knew Scott Peterson was guilty of murdering his pregnant wife he was free for a very long time until her body was recovered. They can't press charges without either a confession or a body.

 

[DatelineFan]

<modsnip> The father had been awarded 50/50 custody 4/13/2017. Also the mother was ordered to pay child support. Not the other way around. <modsnip>There is absolutely no evidence of the father harming the child. Nobody can explain what took place until someone confesses. We can sit here all day every day coming up with our own version of what happened. <modsnip> Father won 50/50 custody. Mother was ordered to pay child support. Mother's claim for TRO denied given evidence provided in court.

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I don't think it's reaching to conclude that Sr. harmed his son and hid his body.

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[xenawarrior]

The part I am attacking is the previous posters mention of he probably did it so he doesn't have to pay child support. He was never ordered to pay child support. Therefore that is a false statement. <modsnip>

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I don't think it's reaching to conclude that Sr. harmed his son and hid his body.

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[gitana1]

<modsnip> The father had been awarded 50/50 custody 4/13/2017. Also the mother was ordered to pay child support. Not the other way around. <modsnip> There is absolutely no evidence of the father harming the child. Nobody can explain what took place until someone confesses. We can sit here all day every day coming up with our own version of what happened. <modsnip> Father won 50/50 custody. Mother was ordered to pay child support. Mother's claim for TRO denied given evidence provided in court.

BBM. Sure there is. Dad had possession of the child. Child was in his custody - in his car. Child is gone. Dad was found passed out next to his gasoline soaked car claiming no memory of what happened to Ara. He admits to having been under the influence of drugs that weren't his own, while caring for the child. There is no evidence of anyone else being involved in the disappearance. He is not cooperating in the investigation.

All of that is evidence. Circumstantial, and not necessarily of intent or more than neglect, but it is evidence, when viewed together.

I predict that if little Ara is found dead, dad will be charged quickly.

 

[lonetraveler]

<modsnip>The boy's mother had filed for a domestic violence restraining order which a <modsnip> judge denied<modsnip>. That's why the exchanges took place at a police station.

Has he explained why he had doused his car in gasoline early in the morning when the boy would have supposedly been in the car with him? I do find the witness who claims to have seen the boy at the lake with him to be credible. I think those who think he somehow convinced people to take the boy out of the country when he's lost his job and trying to avoid child support to be false hope.

Edit to add: don't forget even when we knew Scott Peterson was guilty of murdering his pregnant wife he was free for a very long time until her body was recovered. They can't press charges without either a confession or a body.

Although it's difficult to prosecute without a body, it has been done successfully.

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[lonetraveler]

Although it's difficult to prosecute without a body, it has been done successfully.

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Casey was charged with child neglect on July 16, 2008.Charged again on September 29 again for child neglect as well as other multiple charges. Casey Anthony was named a suspect in her daughters death on October 2, 2008, charged with 1st degree murder on October 14, 2008, Caylee's skull found on December 11, 2008.
The verdict was a total farce and a definite miscarriage of justice IMO, this is just one recent example of prosecution without a body. You can google and find a multitude of trials without a body.

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[cvaldez1975]

I think family court docs are usually confidential but it would be interesting to know what all went on.

what we learned in our case from our lawyer was that its pretty strategic. when hub went through it the first time she took the pre emptive strike by filing the TRO. it was ultimately dismissed however in larger counties (like mine) there are two family courts, one for no fault stuff (where mom and dad can deal w each other through a mediator, are usually both reasonable ppl and not using a lawyer at all times) and one is for high conflict or DV. if mom files the false TRO, your case goes to the latter. and dad's rep is tarnished unless he has a shark lawyer and a lot of money to pay him/her.

the second time hub went through this, he took the pre emptive strike because mom had been reported to CPS by the school. he filed an ex parte / emergency custody based on allegations of child abuse and DV in her home (w her bf) mom made her usual accusations and hub systematically disproved them. alcoholic? sure I have no problem testing. etc etc. two emergency screenings gave him 50/50. she escalated her poor conduct trying to "prove dad unfit" to the point where it was clear to everyone she was a hot mess.

in poor Aramazd case, idk what went on to get to where they were. all I can figure is that the stress got to dad and he snapped. either that or he hid the child. how was dad previously? was there any DV calls DURING the marriage? why did they split? we will probably not know.

 

[GigTu]

Police logs are sometimes publicly posted on the internet. LE could have went out on DV calls... county or city police. We could look it up if we knew where they both lived during all the dates we are looking for.

 

[creepcrusher]

BBM. Sure there is. Dad had possession of the child. Child was in his custody - in his car. Child is gone. Dad was found passed out next to his gasoline soaked car claiming no memory of what happened to Ara. He admits to having been under the influence of drugs that weren't his own, while caring for the child. There is no evidence of anyone else being involved in the disappearance. He is not cooperating in the investigation.

All of that is evidence. Circumstantial, and not necessarily of intent or more than neglect, but it is evidence, when viewed together.

I predict that if little Ara is found dead, dad will be charged quickly.

I agree with all of this.

 

[WebWoman]

Until someone airs an in depth investigative interview of both parents plus releasing their court documents I'm not going to jump on any internet bandwagon regarding the credibility of one parent over the other in the domestic violence and custody case. Having experience myself, the father and his lawyer were denying all of my allegations even making up such over the top stories but unlike most victims I had text and email confessions and apologies they unsuccessfully couldn't make excuses for which my lawyer said is very rare she had not had in a case before otherwise his lying lawyer would have successfully painted a picture of him being the victim. I had other evidence too but my point is most victims have an uphill battle proving a he said she said case. It could be his family and friends defending him online and trashing her about the case for all we know.

With all that said, Scott Peterson appeared the devoted father, no issues, Lacey was his over the moon happy wife. He had no criminal record, no grievances from his wife, kept down a steady job supported them. I think they were high school or college sweethearts not sure. Guess what he did when she was almost 9 months pregnant and for months was publicly grieving, searching and participating in public gatherings and memorials. Until one day her body washed up to shore a hiker came across and his story of when he was at the water (San Fran bay of lake or ?) to go fishing wasn't adding up.

I don't have a clear explanation why he soaked his car early in the morning with gas when his son was supposedly in it at the park with him. Sorry but thinking he delivered the boy to another country is wishful thinking in my opinion but I hope I'm wrong and he's in Mexico or another country enjoying himself.

And if I'm at the park with my son you bet I'm going to have a memory of right before I was attacked, I'll remember being grabbed and if there were more than one person, if they were saying anything and identify their gender if not ethnicity too, I will remember if they tried to take my son and if he was screaming for help. But to say he has no memory of anything and his lawyer won't even let him say when the exact last time he saw the boy was after there's no evidence to support he was ever at the park, no explanation why he drenched his car in gas which would be toxic for the boy to inhale and sit in, security cameras showing he enters the lake cachuma park without the boy when he said he was with him (maybe body was already disposed in forest or boy was lying down since a witness saw him with the boy). I might have some of this wrong but our gut instinct is usually right. He's clamming up behind an experienced criminal attorney as his mouthpiece it's sad he's out free while his son isn't.

 

[WebWoman]

Anyone know if the FBI is involved yet and why not?

 

[Laocoon]

That is a brilliant question! FBI gets involved it missing child cases pretty early on, right?

 

[SmartSassyBBW]

I've got to say this is the weirdest set of clues in a long time. I was shocked when the details were finally released about the gasoline drenched car, wick, matches and drugs. Wouldn't they be able to still get prints from the gas can?
If he went to Lake Cachuma wouldn't he have stopped for gas or food along the way where surveillance could have him on camera?
If he loved that boy more then he wanted to destroy his ex he is with someone who is taking good care of him. My heart aches for this child and the family members who adore and long for his return. I'm hoping that whoever knows more will come forward with whatever details they have. I wished that people who want to harm others would get help or at least "off" themselves instead.
We are all here holding a space for the safe return of this child. &#10084;&#65039;


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[WebWoman]

I just can't imagine someone risking a life sentence for kidnapping another person's 5 year old as a favor to someone else especially as it would require babysitters at some point unless they lock him up in a closet when they go to work. Sorry but it doesn't make sense. The father's closest relatives are his mother and sister who don't have him. Who else would agree to such a thing? Nobody wants to believe a father could harm his own son but it's nothing new. It doesn't make sense that he could be with someone he would've had so little contact with that police haven't searched and questioned them.

You look at the cute little boy and think why would anyone want to harm him? From a psychological perspective he could have transferred all the hate of his wife onto the boy and taken it out on him, or simply hated the ex so much wanted to hurt her at any cause or for who knows why since he's not telling us.

 

[Hazelnutty]

If the father was intending on a homicide/suicide situation and failed--- he's had plenty of time and space to complete his task since release from jail. Why has he not followed thru if this was his original intent?

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[DatelineFan]

If the father was intending on a homicide/suicide situation and failed--- he's had plenty of time and space to complete his task since release from jail. Why has he not followed thru if this was his original intent?

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He's a coward?

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[creepcrusher]

He's a coward?

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Amen. A total coward. He just couldn't finish the job on himself.