GUILTY CA - Aramazd Andressian, 5, South Pasadena, 18 April 2017 #2

[xenawarrior]

Amen. A total coward. He just couldn't finish the job on himself.

I don't know. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt. We just don't know enough. I feel like we've just been given tidbits and we might end up surprised at the end. There are too many possibilities. If the boy is being hidden, I wonder when he is found, will he tell the whole story.

 

[cds0902]

This little boy looks so much like my grandson who is 4, with those same chubby cheeks, but carrot red hair. Bring Ara Home!!

 

[creepcrusher]

I don't know. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt. We just don't know enough. I feel like we've just been given tidbits and we might end up surprised at the end. There are too many possibilities. If the boy is being hidden, I wonder when he is found, will he tell the whole story.

It would be a dream come true if they find him alive. There's nothing wrong with having hope.

 

[WebWoman]

A skull is part of finding body. It's proof the person is dead otherwise almost impossible to charge murder.

 

[Laocoon]

I'm sure LE had enough time to look through the video recordings of the gasoline stations and the food joints.
I have a feeling that nothing unusual was found.

 

[Laocoon]

Just looked up something about the FBI involvement guidelines:
[h=1]1035. FBI Assistance in Missing Persons Cases[/h]In a missing person case, as a matter of cooperation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) will, at the request of a state or local law enforcement agency, make available the facilities of the FBI Identification Division and the FBI Laboratory.
Information pertaining to certain categories of missing persons, including missing children, may be entered into the missing person file of the FBI operated National Crime Information Center (NCIC) by the local law enforcement agencies and, since passage of the Missing Children Act (Pub. L. 97-272, amending, 28 U.S.C. § 534), by parents of missing children if the local law enforcement agency will not do so.
So, why is the FBI not onboard in this case?

 

[Dalagali]

Just looked up something about the FBI involvement guidelines:
[h=1]1035. FBI Assistance in Missing Persons Cases[/h]In a missing person case, as a matter of cooperation, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) will, at the request of a state or local law enforcement agency, make available the facilities of the FBI Identification Division and the FBI Laboratory.
Information pertaining to certain categories of missing persons, including missing children, may be entered into the missing person file of the FBI operated National Crime Information Center (NCIC) by the local law enforcement agencies and, since passage of the Missing Children Act (Pub. L. 97-272, amending, 28 U.S.C. § 534), by parents of missing children if the local law enforcement agency will not do so.
So, why is the FBI not onboard in this case?

Grandmothers home being searched:
http://ijr.com/2017/06/887970-boy-d...ip-disneyland-now-police-looking-grandmother/


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[GigTu]

Grandmothers home being searched:
http://ijr.com/2017/06/887970-boy-d...ip-disneyland-now-police-looking-grandmother/

A few quotes from the article:

The 35-year-old father had minor injuries to his head and arms. His BMW had been doused with gasoline, and he had taken prescription drugs not belonging to him. His son was nowhere to be found.

Police say the father's statements have been “misleading” and “contradictory.”

Now, authorities are wondering if the father's family knows more than they're saying.

Alfonso Cervantes, a neighbor of Aramazd's paternal grandmother, told KTLA that the father's side of the family doesn't seem as eager to find the boy.

And now police are looking at the grandmother.

Last week, authorities searched the grandmother's home and seized several unspecified items as evidence.

https://twitter.com/abc7carlos/stat...ip-disneyland-now-police-looking-grandmother/

Neighbors say they took a computer.

 

[Alice253]

Wonder what the minor injuries to his head and arms were?

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[Bird of Paradise]

I may be going out on a really long limb here but I have a feeling the child is alive.

I base that on the fact that I too am Armenian and I have a sense of how older generations (though Sr's mother isn't what I would call older) feel about marrying a non-Armenian. Not all---I am not lumping everyone into this category.

The fact that Sr's mother keeps popping up in the news, that they are 1st genreation Americans (or moved here) and the fact the divorce was contentious, gives me more reason to think there's more to this story.

 

[DatelineFan]

I really want to think he's alive, but I don't. I think Sr. either did something to him out of rage, harmed him "accidentally" during abuse and covered it up, OR him and his mom were planning to hide him and keep him alive somewhere, but something went wrong and he died.

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[Laocoon]

I may be going out on a really long limb here but I have a feeling the child is alive.

I base that on the fact that I too am Armenian and I have a sense of how older generations (though Sr's mother isn't what I would call older) feel about marrying a non-Armenian. Not all---I am not lumping everyone into this category.

The fact that Sr's mother keeps popping up in the news, that they are 1st genreation Americans (or moved here) and the fact the divorce was contentious, gives me more reason to think there's more to this story.

Thank you, Bird of Paradise, for being brave. I absolutely agree on the statement about "marrying a non-Armenian". Was married to a non-Armenian, so I know first hand how the old folks react to it...Some of them can be quite chauvinistic :-(

I originally hoped that the child is alive. Even reached out to my friends on Armenian and Russian social networks trying to spread the word. At this point, I am starting to lose hope. It is unlikely that I was able to impact a lot of people on the other side of the border. There has not been any news for so long, that I start to think the dad did something terrible and hurt to the child.

In terms of the FBI, there is no any evidence/announcement that they are on the case.

 

[WebWoman]

It seems like he took drugs to suppress his inhibitions from doing the unthinkable but it was all preplanned and not impulsive - going to Disneyland for a final fun time and picture op and alabi, then still on drugs Saturday morning. <modsnip>

 

[NadirCake]

They can't press charges without either a confession or a body.

List of Murder Convictions Without a Body
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murder_convictions_without_a_body

 

[everybodhi]

List of Murder Convictions Without a Body
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murder_convictions_without_a_body

Wow. We have more convictions, by far, than any other country but overall, 150 convictions isn't much, especially since the records started in 1819.

 

[Niner]

Got a Google Alert thought I'd share.'I Sleep with his little sweater:' Mother Of Missing South Pasadena Boy Pleads For His Return https://patch.com/california/southp...-mother-missing-south-pasadena-boy-pleads-hisBut the father said he did not remember what happened to his child or any details that were useful in locating the boy, according to Mendoza, who said a prescription bottle was found inside Andressian's vehicle, which was doused with gasoline inside and out.So, LE knows who's prescription it was!

 

[perfectingpink]

Got a Google Alert thought I'd share.'I Sleep with his little sweater:' Mother Of Missing South Pasadena Boy Pleads For His Return https://patch.com/california/southp...-mother-missing-south-pasadena-boy-pleads-hisBut the father said he did not remember what happened to his child or any details that were useful in locating the boy, according to Mendoza, who said a prescription bottle was found inside Andressian's vehicle, which was doused with gasoline inside and out.So, LE knows who's prescription it was!

I am sad for Aramazd mother. I cannot begin to imagine the heartache she has felt every moment since her baby was found to be missing. That man needs to give her some answers!

 

[MAVLEY]

Unless the label was pulled off or put in a different bottle without a label on it. If they were bought from someone on the streets I really doubt there would be a label. IMO.

 

[cvaldez1975]

I wonder if that includes pleas.

Wow. We have more convictions, by far, than any other country but overall, 150 convictions isn't much, especially since the records started in 1819.

 

[NadirCake]

I wonder if that includes pleas.

I think so.

From the article/list's section on Lucinda Schaefer and Andrea Hall:

Norris confessed that he and Bittaker had murdered them. In 1981, Bittaker was sentenced to death, while Norris was sentenced to life in prison.

Sounds like Norris took a plea deal in that case. So there are probably other pleas included in the list, as well. (Defendant pleading guilty is still a conviction, as far as I understand.)