Found Deceased CA - Audrey Moran, 26, & Jonathan Reynoso, 28, Riverside County, 10 May 2017 #1

[htiff]

Regarding performing an actual search for these two, I don't think this would even be possible right now. There is no one location to start.

The family of both of these two has been on top of their disappearance from the minute they knew that JDR and AM were missing. They've plastered every region from Mexico, to Utah, to Arizona to Beaumont with flyers---but in the case of an abduction, where you have no idea where someone has been taken, where do you start an on-the-ground search? That would be a near impossible thing to do--and resources are limited. There's just too much territory to cover.

A lead will have to come in first.

 

[htiff]

Remember this couple that went missing.
http://crimefeed.com/2016/03/couple-and-their-truck-vanish-after-night-out-in-philadelphia-bar/

I saw this on a recent ID show. It made me think of this disappearance too. But the scenario that really stands out for me right now, in relation to JDR and AM, is that of the abduction of Kala Brown by Todd Kolhepp.

For whatever reason, JDR and AM were targeted, not for money, but for themselves...it seems, anyway.

Or did they see something they shouldn't have? Witnessed something? So bizarre.

 

[wendybtn]

I haven't been following this case too closely but ever since Susan Smith, if there have been no sightings, I usually think water. But I have no knowledge of the area and don't know if this is a possibility.

 

[Kayrouz]

Just some takeaways from the two coverages on this case by KMIR:

The timeline on this is narrowing, finally.

1) It appears that JDR was still home at 4, and maybe ordered pizza at 6, so probably didn't even leave Palm Desert until after he ate. (Which explains his mother's comment in the first KMIR piece, when she mentioned it would have been impossible for him to have gone to Brawley and come back, unless he flew--that made no sense to me at first, but now it does).

2) Neither JDR or AM were involved in anything illegal.
(I always believed this, mostly because a young man who, in order not to break the law, will let others drive him around, is not the kind of guy who is then going to commit a felony. But also, these two are reflected in those who loved them. And their families and friends are a cadre of really nice, fun-loving, coffee-drinking, joksters--who exude warmth and love. Nothing at all is there to indicate that either JDR or AM would deliberately bring negativity into their own lives or the lives of those who love them.)

3) The info about Brawley is off in some way.
(No one in JDR's close circle of friends and family seem aware of any Brawley connection, and there simply wasn't time for JDR to go to Brawley, and do anything other than turn right back around. And if he doesn't have his own vehicle or the ability to drive, why would he ride with someone else there?--just to come right back home? Even if he were dealing, this would make no sense. But I don't for a minute believe that he was dealing or involved in anything illegal. And I think the sooner that theory is shelved, the closer we get to the truth of what happened here.)

4) Neither JDR or AM ping outside of the East Coachella Valley-and given their constant activity on social media, for me, this says that whatever happened to them, was initiated within that region. And the Beaumont stop for the SUV, now seems almost certain, to have been made by whoever abducted these two.

New Timeline:

Sometime between 6 (after he eats pizza) & 8:30ish on May 10, 2017, JDR is with someone, who he leaves his home with--and must have been driven by, so this person or persons has a vehicle. (We aren't told where JDR pings at this time, but he seems fine and is joking with friends--but does not mention that he's going anywhere, apparently.) And whoever this person/s is who he was with, they are not part of his inner-circle of friends, because none of them seems to know who JDR was with.

At around 8:30ish, AM stops by her sister's home and mentions she will be picking JDR up, and she'll be heading in the direction of Brawley to do this, and soon after seeing her sister, either speaks with, or just texts her mother to say that she has met up with JDR, and sends a pic of the two of them, that was not taken that evening.

And then poof, these two vanish....AM's SUV winds up in Beaumont--in the opposite direction of where AM told her family she was headed, an the opposite direction of where she pinged.

Someone posted they thought that perhaps JDR was abducted first. That theory is starting to seem more and more plausible...but why would anyone target him?

Unless, maybe, some guy was obsessed with AM, and she didn't even know about it, and went after her new boyfriend. And then went after her...This is a bad Lifetime made for television, theory, but someone had to have given JDR a ride from his home that night.

Could he have met someone where he lived?

This is what brings that Aaron character into question, AM friend stated that there was an Aaron, but they never dated. What is the link to this Aaron, how is this Aaron involved in AM's life. He must've been known to her friends at the very least. Was he a friend, a friends with benefits, what was it?

 

[Kayrouz]

Regarding performing an actual search for these two, I don't think this would even be possible right now. There is no one location to start.

The family of both of these two has been on top of their disappearance from the minute they knew that JDR and AM were missing. They've plastered every region from Mexico, to Utah, to Arizona to Beaumont with flyers---but in the case of an abduction, where you have no idea where someone has been taken, where do you start an on-the-ground search? That would be a near impossible thing to do--and resources are limited. There's just too much territory to cover.

A lead will have to come in first.

That's the whole point, it's a big area, even if you don't have LE resources, as long as it's public property, you're free to go in and search. Look at google maps and then start from Beaumont to let's say brawley, it's a massive open Region, if this was my child, I'd be armed and heading into the woods either by myself or with some of the people in my most intimate inner circle.

Also I hate to theorize this, but what if the those who theorize that the culprit or culprits were heading to vegas, what if they took AM with them, what if she became a victim of sex trafficking (it's a growing problem).

 

[Kayrouz]

I haven't been following this case too closely but ever since Susan Smith, if there have been no sightings, I usually think water. But I have no knowledge of the area and don't know if this is a possibility.

The only close body of water near cochella would be the Salton Sea. Then towards the CA/AZ border you have the Colorado river.

 

[htiff]

That's the whole point, it's a big area, even if you don't have LE resources, as long as it's public property, you're free to go in and search. Look at google maps and then start from Beaumont to let's say brawley, it's a massive open Region, if this was my child, I'd be armed and heading into the woods either by myself or with some of the people in my most intimate inner circle.

Also I hate to theorize this, but what if the those who theorize that the culprit or culprits were heading to vegas, what if they took AM with them, what if she became a victim of sex trafficking (it's a growing problem).

Where would you start? Mexico? Beaumont? Utah? Brawley?

There is no known last sighting of these two together.

 

[htiff]

That's the whole point, it's a big area, even if you don't have LE resources, as long as it's public property, you're free to go in and search. Look at google maps and then start from Beaumont to let's say brawley, it's a massive open Region, if this was my child, I'd be armed and heading into the woods either by myself or with some of the people in my most intimate inner circle.

Also I hate to theorize this, but what if the those who theorize that the culprit or culprits were heading to vegas, what if they took AM with them, what if she became a victim of sex trafficking (it's a growing problem).

AM looks younger than she is. Seems possible.

 

[Kayrouz]

Where would you start? Mexico? Beaumont? Utah? Brawley?

There is no known last sighting of these two together.

Start at the site where the vehicle was found, which was the only search the family did. Then you move on, given that Coachella and Palm Desert are surrounded by hills, mountains and open land, I'm sure this would take weeks to comb through the area by yourself, but who cares, <modsnip> Please understand, that I'm not saying the disbursement of flyers is a useless effort. <modsnip>

 

[Kayrouz]

AM looks younger than she is. Seems possible.

But where one can start searching for her if this was the case?

 

[ann1989]

That's the whole point, it's a big area, even if you don't have LE resources, as long as it's public property, you're free to go in and search. Look at google maps and then start from Beaumont to let's say brawley, it's a massive open Region, if this was my child, I'd be armed and heading into the woods either by myself or with some of the people in my most intimate inner circle.

Also I hate to theorize this, but what if the those who theorize that the culprit or culprits were heading to vegas, what if they took AM with them, what if she became a victim of sex trafficking (it's a growing problem).

I agree even without leads. The closest bodies of waters should have been checked as well as other "suspicious areas" such as the reservations though I'm sure there is only so much they can do there

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[htiff]

They did this. That area was looked into. I'll pull up the articles if you want me to, but do a quick google search. This has basically been done.

But with the wide vast range of places these two could have been taken, there's no way to really develop a search party. I'm sure if they get a lead this will be done.

 

[BritYoung 802]

Just some takeaways from the two coverages on this case by KMIR:

The timeline on this is narrowing, finally.

1) It appears that JDR was still home at 4, and maybe ordered pizza at 6, so probably didn't even leave Palm Desert until after he ate. (Which explains his mother's comment in the first KMIR piece, when she mentioned it would have been impossible for him to have gone to Brawley and come back, unless he flew--that made no sense to me at first, but now it does).

2) Neither JDR or AM were involved in anything illegal.
(I always believed this, mostly because a young man who, in order not to break the law, will let others drive him around, is not the kind of guy who is then going to commit a felony. But also, these two are reflected in those who loved them. And their families and friends are a cadre of really nice, fun-loving, coffee-drinking, joksters--who exude warmth and love. Nothing at all is there to indicate that either JDR or AM would deliberately bring negativity into their own lives or the lives of those who love them.)

3) The info about Brawley is off in some way.
(No one in JDR's close circle of friends and family seem aware of any Brawley connection, and there simply wasn't time for JDR to go to Brawley, and do anything other than turn right back around. And if he doesn't have his own vehicle or the ability to drive, why would he ride with someone else there?--just to come right back home? Even if he were dealing, this would make no sense. But I don't for a minute believe that he was dealing or involved in anything illegal. And I think the sooner that theory is shelved, the closer we get to the truth of what happened here.)

4) Neither JDR or AM ping outside of the East Coachella Valley-and given their constant activity on social media, for me, this says that whatever happened to them, was initiated within that region. And the Beaumont stop for the SUV, now seems almost certain, to have been made by whoever abducted these two.

New Timeline:

Sometime between 6 (after he eats pizza) & 8:30ish on May 10, 2017, JDR is with someone, who he leaves his home with--and must have been driven by, so this person or persons has a vehicle. (We aren't told where JDR pings at this time, but he seems fine and is joking with friends--but does not mention that he's going anywhere, apparently.) And whoever this person/s is who he was with, they are not part of his inner-circle of friends, because none of them seems to know who JDR was with.

At around 8:30ish, AM stops by her sister's home and mentions she will be picking JDR up, and she'll be heading in the direction of Brawley to do this, and soon after seeing her sister, either speaks with, or just texts her mother to say that she has met up with JDR, and sends a pic of the two of them, that was not taken that evening.

And then poof, these two vanish....AM's SUV winds up in Beaumont--in the opposite direction of where AM told her family she was headed, an the opposite direction of where she pinged.

Someone posted they thought that perhaps JDR was abducted first. That theory is starting to seem more and more plausible...but why would anyone target him?

Unless, maybe, some guy was obsessed with AM, and she didn't even know about it, and went after her new boyfriend. And then went after her...This is a bad Lifetime made for television, theory, but someone had to have given JDR a ride from his home that night.

Could he have met someone where he lived?

Yes I agree with your points here. It is seeming more and more like Audrey was there target and the perp used Jonathan as a way to get her out to meet him by herself. I am really curious as to when Audrey was notified by Jonathan (assuming it was Jonathan) that he was returning from Brawley and needed a ride. If it was early on May 10th when he was still responding to friends or prior to the 10th, then that changes this significantly. If Audrey didn't know about the trip until the evening time, then I think it's very possible Jonathan's phone was used by someone trying to meet up with her and take/harm her. I always thought it was more than one person involved, but if someone took/harmed them one at a time (Jonathan first, Audrey second), then its possible one person pulled this off alone. But where are they then??? Just because Jonathan's phone last pinged in the East CV doesn't necessarily mean he was ever out there. Maybe whoever went out there to meet Audrey took Jonathan's phone as a means to keep in communication with her until they trapped her.

In my opinion this "Aaron" person is just a kook who is trying to get attention or play a sick joke. I don't think they actually know anything. Just my opinion though .

 

[htiff]

Yes I agree with your points here. It is seeming more and more like Audrey was there target and the perp used Jonathan as a way to get her out to meet him by herself. I am really curious as to when Audrey was notified by Jonathan (assuming it was Jonathan) that he was returning from Brawley and needed a ride. If it was early on May 10th when he was still responding to friends or prior to the 10th, then that changes this significantly. If Audrey didn't know about the trip until the evening time, then I think it's very possible Jonathan's phone was used by someone trying to meet up with her and take/harm her. I always thought it was more than one person involved, but if someone took/harmed them one at a time (Jonathan first, Audrey second), then its possible one person pulled this off alone. But where are they then??? Just because Jonathan's phone last pinged in the East CV doesn't necessarily mean he was ever out there. Maybe whoever went out there to meet Audrey took Jonathan's phone as a means to keep in communication with her until they trapped her.

In my opinion this "Aaron" person is just a kook who is trying to get attention or play a sick joke. I don't think they actually know anything. Just my opinion though .

It's such a whacky idea that someone would do this, but it's almost the only thing that makes sense. Stranger things have happened. It does almost seem as if somehow AM was lured by someone in possession of JDR's phone--only AM's mother seems convinced that the two met up.

 

[Greater Than]

Hi guys.

Websleuths is a victim friendly forum.

Audrey and Jonathan's family members are victims.

Please do not post what you feel they should be doing to assist in the search for their children. It's considered victim bashing, which Websleuths has zero tolerance for.

Thank you.

 

[2bees]

Yes I agree with your points here. It is seeming more and more like Audrey was there target and the perp used Jonathan as a way to get her out to meet him by herself. I am really curious as to when Audrey was notified by Jonathan (assuming it was Jonathan) that he was returning from Brawley and needed a ride. If it was early on May 10th when he was still responding to friends or prior to the 10th, then that changes this significantly. If Audrey didn't know about the trip until the evening time, then I think it's very possible Jonathan's phone was used by someone trying to meet up with her and take/harm her. I always thought it was more than one person involved, but if someone took/harmed them one at a time (Jonathan first, Audrey second), then its possible one person pulled this off alone. But where are they then??? Just because Jonathan's phone last pinged in the East CV doesn't necessarily mean he was ever out there. Maybe whoever went out there to meet Audrey took Jonathan's phone as a means to keep in communication with her until they trapped her.

In my opinion this "Aaron" person is just a kook who is trying to get attention or play a sick joke. I don't think they actually know anything. Just my opinion though .

I don't think they have any ping data on Jon, only Audrey. I think it was said on the previous news segment with Kitty that his phone was only wifi capable so I guess he had no cellular service for phone calls. Just data and text through wifi. He may have been in on the group chat while he was home and when he left (to wherever) texts stopped because had no wifi.

Im wondering if that's part of the issue here. I know when you have cellular service that the service provider can pull up text history, but in the case where it was all via wifi it could complicate obtaining records on his end. Though any text convos between he and Audrey should be able to be pulled by her service provider.

 

[htiff]

I don't think they have any ping data on Jon, only Audrey. I think it was said on the previous news segment with Kitty that his phone was only wifi capable so I guess he had no cellular service for phone calls. Just data and text through wifi. He may have been in on the group chat while he was home and when he left (to wherever) texts stopped because had no wifi.

Im wondering if that's part of the issue here. I know when you have cellular service that the service provider can pull up text history, but in the case where it was all via wifi it could complicate obtaining records on his end. Though any text convos between he and Audrey should be able to be pulled by her service provider.

I couldn't find the article where Jonathan's phone service was mentioned, but that makes total sense that he would be on a wi-fi plan. So adding this to the list of possible scenarios--here's one (this is just a throwing-spaghetti type scenario, see what sticks)--

Thinking out loud and throwing a little pasta at the wall here:

Another take away from the KMIR pieces was that Audrey was in night school at the Community College, in addition to her job, so it might have been a frequent occurrence that she and Jonathan didn't get together on weeknights until after 8.

Jonathan orders pizza at around 6, probably is done by 6:30, has a couple of hours to kill before he can see Audrey--so what could he even do in that window of time?

I can only think of two things, especially given his mobility issues. 1) went to a friends house to hang 2) went to a venue to hang

But none of his close friends saw him, so was he invited to hang by someone he was just getting to know? If he left Palm Desert, he had to have gotten a ride.

Sticking a pin in the Brawley thing for a moment, maybe Jonathan accepted an invitation to hang in an area in Coachella or just South. I know he was a Yankee fan, but the Mets were playing that night.

So who did he get a ride from? And where would he have become acquainted with someone new? Jonathan seems like someone who was predictable, in that he had a core group of people in his life. But he got a ride from someone. Where would this person have come from?

His apartment complex?

Through a friend?

Maybe in his job searching he met someone....could someone have said, "if you ever need a ride"...that sort of thing.

And he never mentions to his friends, who he is chatting with that evening, that he's heading out...

This two hour window Jonathan had prior to being picked up by Audrey is a blank. This could mean nothing, and could simply be a gap in digital information. Or it could mean everything. Regardless, there is this two hour window, unaccounted for at this time.

 

[htiff]

I don't think they have any ping data on Jon, only Audrey. I think it was said on the previous news segment with Kitty that his phone was only wifi capable so I guess he had no cellular service for phone calls. Just data and text through wifi. He may have been in on the group chat while he was home and when he left (to wherever) texts stopped because had no wifi.

Im wondering if that's part of the issue here. I know when you have cellular service that the service provider can pull up text history, but in the case where it was all via wifi it could complicate obtaining records on his end. Though any text convos between he and Audrey should be able to be pulled by her service provider.

One more thought on this. Given that Jonathan was on a wifi service, than you make an interesting point, the time of his last text may indicate what time he actually left his apartment.

I wonder if LE can figure out anything from the routers he used as he traveled around.

 

[manlet]

I saw a video yesterday that sort of looks like it could be them..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...oman-Thrown-in-a-Van-by-Man-5-July-2017/page1

What do you guys think? The video was taken in LA on July 5th.

 

[BritYoung 802]

I don't think they have any ping data on Jon, only Audrey. I think it was said on the previous news segment with Kitty that his phone was only wifi capable so I guess he had no cellular service for phone calls. Just data and text through wifi. He may have been in on the group chat while he was home and when he left (to wherever) texts stopped because had no wifi.

Im wondering if that's part of the issue here. I know when you have cellular service that the service provider can pull up text history, but in the case where it was all via wifi it could complicate obtaining records on his end. Though any text convos between he and Audrey should be able to be pulled by her service provider.

I must have missed the info about Jonathan's phone being only wifi capable. That's seems even more confusing how he was able to communicate with Audrey that night if he was supposedly driving back from Brawley.

Was the pizza actually delivered to Jonathan? Or was it that he ordered a pizza and he wasn't there when the pizza delivery person came?

Brawley is 1.5 hrs away from where he lives so I can't imagine he would go all the way out there just to hang out for an hour or two after his pizza was delivered. With no car and no working phone. It just doesn't make much sense, unless he was doing something out there to make some money.