Found Deceased CA - Audrey Moran, 26, & Jonathan Reynoso, 28, Riverside County, 10 May 2017 #2 *4 arrested*

[Welch]

I think so much focus is being put on this is the location of the abandonment and not just the abandonment itself. Why not a gas station, shopping mall, side street or deserted lot? This together with the scents being tracked leads me to believe it was left by AM and JR because it's such a peculiar ending. It doesn't seem purposeful but more like the result of get the **** out now and run, like no other option.

Idk, i was think stores and gas stations have cámaras and a freeway doesn't and people pay less attention on the side since they're focus driving.

About them running ... it would make more sense to continue driving with a full tank to a safe location other than the middle of freeway with nothing around.

 

[offdutycriminologist]

Idk, i was think stores and gas stations have cámaras and a freeway doesn't and people pay less attention on the side since they're focus driving.

About them running ... it would make more sense to continue driving with a full tank to a safe location other than the middle of freeway with nothing around.

It doesn't make sense to continue driving with any amount of gas if your vehicle is a GPS unit announcing to your parents where you are and you don't want them to know.

 

[Welch]

It doesn't make sense to continue driving with any amount of gas if your vehicle is a GPS unit announcing to your parents where you are and you don't want them to know.

Ohhh okay from your previous post I thought you meant running from someone like the "people from brawley" or someone bad

 

[Henry2326]

*speculation* LE probably did attempt to talk to the drivers on shift that night. As many deliveries as they make in a weekend, an unremarkable pizza delivery to an apartment complex would be sketchy at best. Think about it- a pizza delivery is at most a 30 second interaction and then they're on their way. A month later a detective asks you to ask you what you remember about a specific delivery? That'd be tough. I would delve into the problems with eyewitnesses but that's another can of worms.

It would only be tough if nothing seemed out of sorts. Most people remember the strange out of place activity.

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[htiff]

Some recent clips from local news sources. Audrey Moran and Jonathan Darling Reynoso are missing almost three months now. We can't know what family and friends are going through, or what they have, or have not done to find their missing loved ones.

https://www.facebook.com/KittyAlvaradoKMIR/

https://www.facebook.com/LaurenCoronadoKESQ/

 

[ann1989]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

In most "gang"-related shootings, or a shooting that stems from a fight, the victim drops where they are shot. There are usually no attempts made to orchestrate a ruse. I was looking at the Coroners reports for Riverside County in general, and most altercations and murders are right out there in the open. No subterfuge. The cases where someone is hidden when killed are not the norm.

What is unusual about this disappearance is how much effort may have gone into hiding the fact that something happened to these two. And I state "may" have gone into hiding what happened. Obviously I don't know what happened.

I don't follow all that many missing persons cases, but in the two others I've followed over the years---Jennifer Kesse and the McStay family murders, in both of these cases the vehicles of the missing appear to have been abandoned in areas away from where the crime was comitted, in an attempt to throw the investigation off.

Don't know if this is the case here. But the question that haunts me most, on this particular case is:

Why was the SUV abandoned on that specific spot on I-10? Why there? There are miles and miles and miles of other, maybe better spots to park that vehicle. Why abandon it there?

I personally don't think that there may have been much effort to hide these two bodies if that is the case..they could be buried right under our noses in their own backyards or Brawley for all we know.. but I don't think there's been many active searches yes there's been Flyers posted but I don't feel that there had been searches.. since there's been no leads on where to begin a search. Imo

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[ann1989]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

In most "gang"-related shootings, or a shooting that stems from a fight, the victim drops where they are shot. There are usually no attempts made to orchestrate a ruse. I was looking at the Coroners reports for Riverside County in general, and most altercations and murders are right out there in the open. No subterfuge. The cases where someone is hidden when killed are not the norm.

What is unusual about this disappearance is how much effort may have gone into hiding the fact that something happened to these two. And I state "may" have gone into hiding what happened. Obviously I don't know what happened.

I don't follow all that many missing persons cases, but in the two others I've followed over the years---Jennifer Kesse and the McStay family murders, in both of these cases the vehicles of the missing appear to have been abandoned in areas away from where the crime was comitted, in an attempt to throw the investigation off.

Don't know if this is the case here. But the question that haunts me most, on this particular case is:

Why was the SUV abandoned on that specific spot on I-10? Why there? There are miles and miles and miles of other, maybe better spots to park that vehicle. Why abandon it there?

I think the car was left there because they wanted it to be found who is they Audrey or Jonathan or the perpetrators not sure but I think it was left there to be found purposely maybe they knew that dad needed it maybe they wanted to show what happens when you f with the wrong people but my opinion it was left there to Mark a spot for an obvious reason because it could have been hidden anywhere it's like they wanted it found

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[ann1989]

I think so much focus is being put on this is the location of the abandonment and not just the abandonment itself. Why not a gas station, shopping mall, side street or deserted lot? This together with the scents being tracked leads me to believe it was left by AM and JR because it's such a peculiar ending. It doesn't seem purposeful but more like the result of get the **** out now and run, like no other option.

You know now that you say that I could see this scenario happening maybe they had somebody with a gun in the back seat as AM and Jr drove and they made a subtle plan to attempt to escape child locked the doors put the car immediately in park jumped out try to run whoever was in the back seat roll the window down stuck their hand out open the door ran after them and caught them and since they have the weapon...maybe Jr and am didn't know people were following behind and they got thrown into that car now since they didn't want to cooperate

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[Welch]

You know now that you say that I could see this scenario happening maybe they had somebody with a gun in the back seat as AM and Jr drove and they made a subtle plan to attempt to escape child locked the doors put the car immediately in park jumped out try to run whoever was in the back seat roll the window down stuck their hand out open the door ran after them and caught them and since they have the weapon...maybe Jr and am didn't know people were following behind and they got thrown into that car now since they didn't want to cooperate

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That does seem possible, I like your thinking. But once again wouldn't they try to escape on a more populated area or crash the car against something to cause police attention. Also idk about her vehicle but mine if you put baby lock the doors and back windows get locked so they wouldn't be able to put the window down unless they reached or jump to the front seat and unclocked it.

 

[iscaremyself]

I wouldn't put much into where the car was dumped..
i figure minimum two perps, main objective get the car away from the crime scene.
They could be high, drunk or an adrenaline rush from the crime which could make an hour's drive seem like three.
Off ramps have gas stations with cameras so drop it as a false flag in the wrong direction.
Why wasn't the car kept and parted out?..too risky or they're not equipped for it.
Why weren't bank accounts emptied?..this was not about money..at least not in those amounts.
Ransom?..
Audrey was lured in so was she targeted?

 

[htiff]

I wouldn't put much into where the car was dumped..
i figure minimum two perps, main objective get the car away from the crime scene.
They could be high, drunk or an adrenaline rush from the crime which could make an hour's drive seem like three.
Off ramps have gas stations with cameras so drop it as a false flag in the wrong direction.
Why wasn't the car kept and parted out?..too risky or they're not equipped for it.
Why weren't bank accounts emptied?..this was not about money..at least not in those amounts.
Ransom?..
Audrey was lured in so was she targeted?

People do things for a reason. There had to be a reason.

 

[iscaremyself]

People do things for a reason. There had to be a reason.

follow car running low on gas?
Starting getting light out..sun rising?

 

[Desert Cruiser]

People do things for a reason. There had to be a reason.

My gut feel is the car was dumped where it was for multiple reasons:
1. Throw people off, the incidents started in Coachella
2. Convience, could have been handed off to another group, it was simple loop from their area.
3. Statement, payment missed equals consequence don't mess.

It all centers around Jonathan, Audrey either knew about things or the perpetrators thought she knew, she was a risk period.
It is even more plausible that she may have drove Jonathan to make some sort of loan/deal arrangement, so she had to be included. TOL over the weekend if the perpetrators felt that Jonathan was the lone person in this thing, they would have never bothered to summons Audrey into this.
It is my gut feel that they had him in possession early on and had control of who was to be where, when and a specific location.

LE had phone information ping information early on. look at the missing couple in Joshua Tree , reported missing, determined from when they didn't check out of the hotel Thursday , pings determined in the park on Friday, one day later LE had ping info.... pretty quick turn around.

I agree with an earlier post that they could be buried under out noses (hope not but), I think speculation can lead to exaggeration in some cases, stick to the basics and probabilities, were not dealing with CIA here...

 

[htiff]

My gut feel is the car was dumped where it was for multiple reasons:
1. Throw people off, the incidents started in Coachella
2. Convience, could have been handed off to another group, it was simple loop from their area.
3. Statement, payment missed equals consequence don't mess.

It all centers around Jonathan, Audrey either knew about things or the perpetrators thought she knew, she was a risk period.
It is even more plausible that she may have drove Jonathan to make some sort of loan/deal arrangement, so she had to be included. TOL over the weekend if the perpetrators felt that Jonathan was the lone person in this thing, they would have never bothered to summons Audrey into this.
It is my gut feel that they had him in possession early on and had control of who was to be where, when and a specific location.

LE had phone information ping information early on. look at the missing couple in Joshua Tree , reported missing, determined from when they didn't check out of the hotel Thursday , pings determined in the park on Friday, one day later LE had ping info.... pretty quick turn around.

I agree with an earlier post that they could be buried under out noses (hope not but), I think speculation can lead to exaggeration in some cases, stick to the basics and probabilities, were not dealing with CIA here...

I'm not going to address the theories around debt or anything, because so far no one has mentioned that anyone involved in this had unusual debt. However, where the vehicle was placed feels important to me. I do think it was placed there to point away from wherever things initially went down. And this doesn't mean that AM and JDR weren't still with the vehicle at this point, only that they were probably not in control.

Two things stood out for me about where the SUV was found. One, it's very close to the Oak Parkway exit, which could take you to Moreno Valley. And that area has issues of its own. I don't know that much about Moreno Valley, but on the Riverside County Coroners reports, it pops up a lot for gang and domestic violence.

The other thing I noticed, and since you drive this route, maybe you can tell me if this is accurate...when I did a google-maps drive of I-10 between Banning and up to the exit for the Oak Valley Parkway, the spot the SUV was found, was one of the few that had a high embankment. Most of that expressway is level with long vistas to either side.

Wondering if someone might have felt more protected from view, at that spot.

Is my understanding accurate, or was the virtual picture much different from the reality?

 

[htiff]

follow car running low on gas?
Starting getting light out..sun rising?

They had plenty of gas, according to reports from LE. Maybe you are right though. Perhaps it was starting to get light out.

 

[Desert Cruiser]

I'm thinking on convenience just up the on ramp, so easy.... and it also had a protected view

 

[offdutycriminologist]

I wouldn't put much into where the car was dumped..
i figure minimum two perps, main objective get the car away from the crime scene.
They could be high, drunk or an adrenaline rush from the crime which could make an hour's drive seem like three.
Off ramps have gas stations with cameras so drop it as a false flag in the wrong direction.
Why wasn't the car kept and parted out?..too risky or they're not equipped for it.
Why weren't bank accounts emptied?..this was not about money..at least not in those amounts.
Ransom?..
Audrey was lured in so was she targeted?

I agree. The vehicle wasn't necessarily dumped at all and it wasn't even parked there as some big fat clue. I think people are looking too much into this because it's one of the few things they have to obsess over in this case.

 

[htiff]

I'm thinking on convenience just up the on ramp, so easy.... and it also had a protected view

So maybe a combination of reasons? The fact that it might have been getting close to daylight, seems plausible as well.

 

[iscaremyself]

They had plenty of gas, according to reports from LE. Maybe you are right though. Perhaps it was starting to get light out.

the 'follow' car may have been getting low on gas.

 

[htiff]

the 'follow' car may have been getting low on gas.

That's an interesting theory. Maybe they were about to turn off and get gas, and didn't want the SUV to be caught on camera at that point.