CA - Bakersfield 3: Disappearance of Baylee Despot and murders of James Kulstad & Micah Holsonbake

[bakersfield3]

I agree.. was he he trying to climb over the seats to passenger side trying to escape?? That's why they are so low... Someone outside of car on drivers side shooting at him so he may have crashed then tried to get out other door..or maybe I am wrong. Was he alone in the car . I have seen news articles that say he was with a family friend Dr... So was the chiropractor with him . or was he alone?? Was he driving the car or the passenger.
These all may have been asked and answered but I didn't see anything answering my questions.

Airbags deployed on the drivers side not on the passenger side when he crashed into the parked trailer across from the mailboxes. No to the doctor.

 

[MrsWells]

Airbags deployed on the drivers side not on the passenger side when he crashed into the parked trailer across from the mailboxes. No to the doctor.

Do we know if Ryan left the (former) chiropractor's house with a female and a male, or two males? (Ryan referred to at least one of them as "he" on Dr. Phil)

This may sound goofy, but the level at which those bullets entered the Fiat makes me wonder if the/a shooter was on the ground, almost in a tactical stance. Can anyone decipher the trajectory of those bullets from the pic that was posted yesterday?

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

Do we know if Ryan left the (former) chiropractor's house with a female and a male, or two males? (Ryan referred to at least one of them as "he" on Dr. Phil)

This may sound goofy, but the level at which those bullets entered the Fiat makes me wonder if the/a shooter was on the ground, almost in a tactical stance. Can anyone decipher the trajectory of those bullets from the pic that was posted yesterday?

To me the shots look like they are made from a distance. I picture James driving away and when on the opposite side of the cul de sac being shot at. As he tries to flee, also keeping an eye on shooter/s and accidentally hits the trailer instead.

I personally wonder if it was just the 3 shots fired or if more were shot after James escaped the car. To me, only one of the car shots look like they could have hit James. MOO- I am not an expert so all conjecture.

 

[Speak truth]

Do we know if Ryan left the (former) chiropractor's house with a female and a male, or two males? (Ryan referred to at least one of them as "he" on Dr. Phil)

This may sound goofy, but the level at which those bullets entered the Fiat makes me wonder if the/a shooter was on the ground, almost in a tactical stance. Can anyone decipher the trajectory of those bullets from the pic that was posted yesterday?

Did Ryan say that James was shot in the back?

 

[bakersfield3]

Did Ryan say that James was shot in the back?

Yes, he did state that on the Dr. Phil Show.

 

[Speak truth]

Yes, he did state that on the Dr. Phil Show.

I am trying to understand how the bullets in car match how he was shot in the back.

I would think it would have hit his side from the picture of bullets in car and someone driving. I am not an expert. I am just trying to understand. Also, do we know if he crashed because he was shot at, but those shots where not what killed him .

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

I am trying to understand how the bullets in car match how he was shot in the back.

I would think it would have hit his side from the picture of bullets in car and someone driving. I am not an expert. I am just trying to understand. Also, do we know if he crashed because he was shot at, but those shots where not what killed him .

Shot in the back while trying to escape/get out of the car? It is something I’ve wondered as well. Have to believe there are a lot of witnesses to this murder. How have more people not given information to nail them?

 

[bakersfield3]

I am trying to understand how the bullets in car match how he was shot in the back.

I would think it would have hit his side from the picture of bullets in car and someone driving. I am not an expert. I am just trying to understand. Also, do we know if he crashed because he was shot at, but those shots where not what killed him .

Best advice I can give you is go to a Fiat dealership and take a seat in the drivers seat. I can't really go into specifics.

 

[bakersfield3]

Shot in the back while trying to escape/get out of the car? It is something I’ve wondered as well. Have to believe there are a lot of witnesses to this murder. How have more people not given information to nail them?

It was 1:15 in the morning only the person or people who committed the crime would of been the witnesses.

 

[Speak truth]

Best advice I can give you is go to a Fiat dealership and take a seat in the drivers seat. I can't really go into specifics.

I understand. Thank you for your information. I believe they sit really high. Small car but seats high so it makes it easy to get in and out of .

 

[bakersfield3]

I understand. Thank you for your information. I believe they sit really high. Small car but seats high so it makes it easy to get in and out of .

James was very tall as well...

 

[Speak truth]

James was very tall as well...

Thank you. That helps me understand a little more. I could be wrong but now I think maybe someone was coming from behind the car and it almost looks like the shots hit from behind where the front seat would have been and if they were high.
My heart and prayers go out to you and the families and loved ones!

 

[MrsWells]

Been going through a lot of social media accounts. Does anyone know if the theft of Ryan's Mustang in August was in any way related to this crime ring?

James' last few posts in March are interesting. Was he trying to get out of this life?

 

[MrsWells]

I'm curious about the sex trafficking angle of all of this. Wondering if they were running an actual escort service. Was the head of all of this more of a pimp?

Drugs
Guns
Money/gambling/counterfeiting?
Sex

I wish we knew who the person was that sent MQ a message and was talking about Baylee being gone for a while. I do think that conversation could have been for show, and if that's the case, what was he hoping readers would infer from that? Working off a debt? Traveling/networking with the heads of the drugs, guns, and gambling arms of the enterprise?

I'm also really curious to know more about the actual heirarchy of the organization as a whole. Too bad we can't build more of a chart even without having names, but at least in more detail as to the positions of power and functions of each player, and how each different "branch" overlaps. (I'm sure there's a ton of overlap)

 

[MrsWells]

I agree.. was he he trying to climb over the seats to passenger side trying to escape?? That's why they are so low... Someone outside of car on drivers side shooting at him so he may have crashed then tried to get out other door..or maybe I am wrong. Was he alone in the car . I have seen news articles that say he was with a family friend Dr... So was the chiropractor with him . or was he alone?? Was he driving the car or the passenger.
These all may have been asked and answered but I didn't see anything answering my questions.

It looks to me as if that news report was slightly inaccurate - I can't see why the chiropractor would've been in the car with him after the chiropractor told Ryan to tell him not to come over there. The report said they had been together that night, but that seems inaccurate, as well - at least according to Ryan's account on Dr. Phil.

Is anyone thinking that both MC and MQ were in the car that carried the shooter(s)?

 

[bakersfield3]

Been going through a lot of social media accounts. Does anyone know if the theft of Ryan's Mustang in August was in any way related to this crime ring?

James' last few posts in March are interesting. Was he trying to get out of this life?

James was not suicidal he had many dreams that he wanted to make a reality for his family.

 

[bakersfield3]

It looks to me as if that news report was slightly inaccurate - I can't see why the chiropractor would've been in the car with him after the chiropractor told Ryan to tell him not to come over there. The report said they had been together that night, but that seems inaccurate, as well - at least according to Ryan's account on Dr. Phil.

Is anyone thinking that both MC and MQ were in the car that carried the shooter(s)?

Rabbit Hole

 

[MrsWells]

Do we know if Ryan left the (former) chiropractor's house with a female and a male, or two males? (Ryan referred to at least one of them as "he" on Dr. Phil)

I answered part of my own question by watching Ryan's account again in the first Dr. Phil episode - sounds like there was at least one male and one female in the car with him when he first left the chiropractor's house.

Ryan mentioned he and his passengers slouching down in the car as the car carrying the shooter(s) passed them - so they wouldn't be seen. I can't figure out when that would've happened - when he was coming back from dropping someone off, or leaving SB's again? Wondering who was still in the car with him at that point.

I notice so many things I'd missed every time I re-watch it.

 

[MrsWells]

James was not suicidal he had many dreams that he wanted to make a reality for his family.

I should have been more clear, sorry - I was wondering if he was wanting to get out of this "underworld", as Ryan called it - not if he might've been suicidal.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

@bakersfield3 I saw an article last night on James' daughter talking about the case and what she didn't get to say in the Dr. Phil interview. It stated where she was going to school. Is that safe for her? My mom worry was going into over drive when I saw that. I do hope the players that tried to involve her leave her alone to heal.