CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #10

[Jo in Calif]

underwear/bikini - i dont think there is a world of difference between the two and I don't think that the discrepancy is relevant to finding Barbara nor is it relevant in any other way, unless I am missing something?

Lets turn this around and it was RT who was missing.
What if the DOJ had him in, underwear, white hat, tall socks and hiking boots. You don't think people would question that? It might not be relevant in finding him but people would sure question it.
They were not out walking in a completely deserted location, they were stopped of the side of a paved road that is well traveled crossed that road to do their walk, according to BT.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

True but these insight are given with a "guilty" thought in mind. It is not unbiased information.

Which is completely logical, this is what we do, we always want to seek some sort of blame or blame ourselves in hard situations, it sort of delays the moment that we have to face our grieve when we are ready for it, so it is functional.
I do not mean this in a derogatory way.

I have seen nothing in RT's version of events that come across as totally unbelievable, paranoid, a guilty man talking or any such thing.
I think he adored his wife,.

You see, it is interesting. Your take is that he adored his wife based on the same information. How have you arrived at that conclusion if you are happy to elaborate?

Also, not meant in a derogatory way.

 

[Cherwell]

clarifying that it could seem sinister, since the time that it actually did happen occurred right before she was to leave on an international trip, and also around the time she starting rebuilding a relationship with her son.

I don't know anything about this. Is there an independent source for it?

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I don't know anything about this. Is there an independent source for it?

No, this is based on a statement by the VI. It may have also been mentioned by her son in the tv interview, but I would need to rewatch to be able to say so.

 

[al66pine]

Timing, BT Rebuilding Relationship w Son & Trip to HK?

...our VI's words from RT - something about how this could have happened at any time. Could be taken in a sinister way*, but could also be that she has gotten lost before.....
[ETA - clarifying that it could seem sinister, since the time that it actually did happen occurred right before she was to leave on an international trip, and also around the time she starting rebuilding a relationship with her son.]

. @Reasonable & Just Thanks for your post. bbm sbm
I don't recall anything definitive about timing of 'starting' to rebuild.'*
Whose words? Exact words? Our VI @dbdb11? BT's son?
What did they talk about? Superficial matters? Grandchildren? BT & son's relationship? BT family matters, old or new? Family 'business' re planning of disposition of assets, estate?
When did they start rebuilding? Two yrs? One yr? Six mo? Two mo? One mo?
How is the timing of disappearance possibly 'sinister' as it relates to---
1. BT & son starting to rebuild relationship?
Would someone involved in disappearance be negatively impacted by a rebuilt relationship? How?
2. BT's imminent international trip?
Would someone involved in disappearance benefit by her being abroad then?
just wondering.

______________________________________
* Some rebuild-related issues were discussed upthread.
Why estrangement started.
When it started. How long it lasted.
How they communicated. Phone. E-mail. IM.
How often. Multiple times daily? Daily?Couple x /wk? Monthly.
Did they typically talk for 2 min? 20 min? 60 min?
Even w answers to ^ questions, what do these ^ factors tell us how close BT & son are/were?
Regardless, I'm glad for them and others in their fam, that they did reconnect.

 

[al66pine]

Bikini or Underwear?

underwear/bikini - i dont think there is a world of difference between the two and I don't think that the discrepancy is relevant to finding Barbara nor is it relevant in any other way, unless I am missing something?

@Nikynoo Thanks for your post.
Agreeing w ^.
Re BT in the desert, w recovery mission.
--- Little difference in amt of body/skin functionally covered.
--- Slight difference (marginally, cultural/social perception?) re modesty.
--- No difference in SAR or other volunteers searching for remains in bikini vs remains in underwear.

Re BT alive, somewhere other than desert:
Very darned unlikely she is still wearing only that bikini or that underwear.
No longer a BOLO/search criterion for her. Ditto the hat, regardless of color(s).
jmo.

 

[LietKynes]

Nevertheless the husband has been accused because of this time and time again.

Snipped for focus.

Ahem, that is entirely untrue.
No one at WS has accused anyone in this case. Possibly elsewhere.

Most of us have merely pondered what was said by him in msm.

But everyone can voice their opinion and all of us are free to post without any telling us how to comment.
So all is good.

We are basing this case on what was stated in msm.
RT claimed that LE told him his poly was deceptive.
It may not have been -- as RT told the news reporter interviewing him that he hadn't slept.

WS's have continually given him the benefit of the doubt; to (most) of our credit.
We may be a nosy bunch , but we have all been fair to the spouse about this case.

In many missing cases, LE themselves will focus on the last person to see the missing .... relative or not.
Until they are cleared.

No one has been cleared or LE would have said so.

And LE's word is good enough for me.
Until we at WS hear from THEM that she has been abducted (like RT said she was) or that LE feels she actually became lost on a clearly paved trail with the RV in sight --- we need to ask questions so Barbara can be found.

He did say that but he also said that Barbara was the one who walked the dog and Robert never walked the dog.
Maybe he was repeating what the neighbors said.
You might have to read the whole post to understand it, but he was giving examples of how RT'S behavior was suspicious and how he was secretive and kept to himself. Imo

BBM

^^^ Ita.
Thanks for your insightful post, @MsBetsy !

It helps to read an entire post and not cherry pick.

The VI is verified; and can post what his observations are.
Nothing wrong with that.
It helps to not denigrate his opinions as he himself has known Barbara's husband for years, and understands him far better than we ever will.
This may help to crack this case !
MOO

 

[LietKynes]

Lets turn this around and it was RT who was missing.
What if the DOJ had him in, underwear, white hat, tall socks and hiking boots. You don't think people would question that? It might not be relevant in finding him but people would sure question it.
They were not out walking in a completely deserted location, they were stopped of the side of a paved road that is well traveled crossed that road to do their walk, according to BT.

BBM

This. ^^^
Also, sroad's photos helped to understand more fully how clear the path was and why she most likely didn't get 'lost'.
We still have not been told where he was standing when he took the photo and she walked ahead.

 

[MsBetsy]

Lets turn this around and it was RT who was missing.
What if the DOJ had him in, underwear, white hat, tall socks and hiking boots. You don't think people would question that? It might not be relevant in finding him but people would sure question it.
They were not out walking in a completely deserted location, they were stopped of the side of a paved road that is well traveled crossed that road to do their walk, according to BT.

Yes, people would most definitely question that description if it were a man.

But men don't commonly wear pretty bras, bikini underwear, or cute boyshorts that could easily pass for a bikini!

Well, at least not most men.

IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Timing, BT Rebuilding Relationship w Son & Trip to HK?
. @Reasonable & Just Thanks for your post. bbm sbm
I don't recall anything definitive about timing of 'starting' to rebuild.'*
Whose words? Exact words? Our VI @dbdb11? BT's son?
What did they talk about? Superficial matters? Grandchildren? BT & son's relationship? BT family matters, old or new? Family 'business' re planning of disposition of assets, estate?
When did they start rebuilding? Two yrs? One yr? Six mo? Two mo? One mo?
How is the timing of disappearance possibly 'sinister' as it relates to---
1. BT & son starting to rebuild relationship?
Would someone involved in disappearance be negatively impacted by a rebuilt relationship? How?
2. BT's imminent international trip?
Would someone involved in disappearance benefit by her being abroad then?
just wondering.

______________________________________
* Some rebuild-related issues were discussed upthread.
Why estrangement started.
When it started. How long it lasted.
How they communicated. Phone. E-mail. IM.
How often. Multiple times daily? Daily?Couple x /wk? Monthly.
Did they typically talk for 2 min? 20 min? 60 min?
Even w answers to ^ questions, what do these ^ factors tell us how close BT & son are/were?
Regardless, I'm glad for them and others in their fam, that they did reconnect.

I believe the VI said he could not get a straight answer from Matt as to how they communicated, as to whether by phone or email.
So when, how often, or at what point they started communicating again may not be known. Imo

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Timing, BT Rebuilding Relationship w Son & Trip to HK?
. @Reasonable & Just Thanks for your post. bbm sbm
I don't recall anything definitive about timing of 'starting' to rebuild.'*
Whose words? Exact words? Our VI @dbdb11? BT's son?
What did they talk about? Superficial matters? Grandchildren? BT & son's relationship? BT family matters, old or new? Family 'business' re planning of disposition of assets, estate?
When did they start rebuilding? Two yrs? One yr? Six mo? Two mo? One mo?
How is the timing of disappearance possibly 'sinister' as it relates to---
1. BT & son starting to rebuild relationship?
Would someone involved in disappearance be negatively impacted by a rebuilt relationship? How?
2. BT's imminent international trip?
Would someone involved in disappearance benefit by her being abroad then?
just wondering.

______________________________________
* Some rebuild-related issues were discussed upthread.
Why estrangement started.
When it started. How long it lasted.
How they communicated. Phone. E-mail. IM.
How often. Multiple times daily? Daily?Couple x /wk? Monthly.
Did they typically talk for 2 min? 20 min? 60 min?
Even w answers to ^ questions, what do these ^ factors tell us how close BT & son are/were?
Regardless, I'm glad for them and others in their fam, that they did reconnect.

I don't have any answers for you, but here are links, FWIW. Again, I wanted to clarify why such a statement could be perceived as defensive/sinister (like "it's a total coincidence that she disappeared now before she was supposed to see you"), but it's also important to point out that it could also indicate that Barbara had gotten lost before, or maybe shown recent signs of erratic behavior on hikes (getting in cars with strangers, wandering off without regard for the heat, etc).

Link to "it could have happened anytime" statement from RT according to VI.
CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #8

Link to post where VI discussed Barbara's contact with son.
CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #3

Link to media page with Matthew's interview - he does not discuss contact with her.
Lafayette man's mother still missing after hiking in the Mojave Desert with husband

 

[LietKynes]

Yes, people would most definitely question that description if it were a man.

But men don't commonly wear pretty bras, bikini underwear, or cute boyshorts that could easily pass for a bikini!

Well, at least not most men.

IMO

Lol.
In this particular case... I doubt anyone wants to see that.

 

[kay74]

Lets turn this around and it was RT who was missing.
What if the DOJ had him in, underwear, white hat, tall socks and hiking boots. You don't think people would question that? It might not be relevant in finding him but people would sure question it.
They were not out walking in a completely deserted location, they were stopped of the side of a paved road that is well traveled crossed that road to do their walk, according to BT.

She was NOT wearing underwear... She was wearing a bikini.

 

[kay74]

Lol.
In this particular case... I doubt anyone wants to see that.

LOL. You gave me a good laugh today.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Yes, people would most definitely question that description if it were a man.

But men don't commonly wear pretty bras, bikini underwear, or cute boyshorts that could easily pass for a bikini!

Well, at least not most men.

IMO

Yes but the thing is the description came from somewhere. Did RT say underwear to LE or on the 911 call because he doesn't know the difference? Or did the DOJ get the pic, of her on that day and they couldn't tell the difference.

 

[kay74]

Yes but the thing is the description came from somewhere. Did RT say underwear to LE or on the 911 call because he doesn't know the difference? Or did the DOJ get the pic, of her on that day and they couldn't tell the difference.

RT said "bikini". I don't if someone from LE or the media said underwear or what, but RT said bikini. I highly doubt she would wear her underwear,

 

[Jo in Calif]

She was NOT wearing underwear... She was wearing a bikini.

Then someone needs to call the DOJ and make them change that.

 

[deugirtni]

"No Reason Whatsoever to Lie?" Flawed Memory? Bad Sense of Time?

@deugiertni Thanks for your post. sbm bbm Okay, for sake of discussion, let's say---
--- in interviews w LE, MSM, & BT's fam, & his own, RT has told the truth as recalls it and
---he has no reason whatsoever to lie about the events that day.

Does ^ that preclude possibility that his memory was inaccurate? Maybe his memory is inaccurate ---
--- generally, in a broad sense, day to day, Activities of Daily Living.
--- only relating to stressful events earlier that day, in daze of separation from BT, and in & out of sweltering heat, etc.
--- just had blanks, which he filled in, circumventing references to poor judgments he made, if any.

Or maybe he has a phenomenally bad sense of time, like some of us who think an hour has passed, when only ten min's have gone by, or sometimes, conversely think an engrossing movie wrapped up in in a half hour, not the 100 min running time.

Not saying he deliberately lied/misrepresented what he knows happened.
But maybe he did intentionally fabricate a distorted, deceitful account of events that day, for LE, et al.
Does not necessarily translate into RT having caused BT's disappearance (or death).
All ^ jmo.

when I said he has no reason to lie, I was talking about our VI

 

[Jo in Calif]

RT said "bikini". I don't if someone from LE or the media said underwear or what, but RT said bikini. I highly doubt she would wear her underwear,

RT said bikini in his 2 interviews.
What did RT initially say in the 911 call or when LE first arrived?
We don't have that information.

 

[kay74]

RT said bikini in his 2 interviews.
What did RT initially say in the 911 call or when LE first arrived?
We don't have that information.

He said bikini, socks and hiking boots and carrying a beer.