CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #10

[Kapua]

Remember there is so much unaccounted time that hasn't been addressed. At all.
By anyone.
Other than members at WS speculating.
A truck without the RV can make pretty good time.
Did anyone see the truck that day without the RV/fifth wheel attached ?
Has that been asked here ?
If so, I've missed it.

I have repeatedly stated in previous threads that someone may have seen the truck/RV, but not Barbara.

I have two questions:

What do you suppose the driving range of that particular truck is, assuming they started with a full tank of gas?

What do you suppose the driving range of that particular truck towing that particular RV might be?

 

[Nikynoo]

I have repeatedly stated in previous threads that someone may have seen the truck/RV, but not Barbara.

I have two questions:

What do you suppose the driving range of that particular truck is, assuming they started with a full tank of gas?

What do you suppose the driving range of that particular truck towing that particular RV might be?

Do you have the model of both the truck and RV?

 

[LietKynes]

I have repeatedly stated in previous threads that someone may have seen the truck/RV, but not Barbara.

I have two questions:

What do you suppose the driving range of that particular truck is, assuming they started with a full tank of gas?

What do you suppose the driving range of that particular truck towing that particular RV might be?

Sorry I missed it.
Although maybe read it without noting the significance.
Ok, newer vehicles have gps.
that would be a starting place to look at.
Esp. if the truck or truck and fifth wheel stopped even for a short while elsewhere than the 911 call location.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

No, that's very true, the inheritance piece of the puzzle doesn't tell us where Barb is.

It doesn't give LE the where.

It gives LE the why.

It's one of the corner pieces to the puzzle.

LE will start filling in the rest of the pieces working from that cornerstone.

I'm quite certain LE's already in the process of painstakingly assembling the pieces to this puzzle.

JMO.

Respectfully, (and I do mean that with no snark, I always appreciate your thoughts and posts) LE does not START with a theory and then make facts fit that theory.

 

[Kapua]

Do you have the model of both the truck and RV?

The truck is a Ford R-350 with an extended cab and dual rear tires. I do not have the exact model of the RV, but here's a pic.

 

[PommyMommy]

The truck is a Ford R-350 with an extended cab and dual rear tires. I do not have the exact model of the RV, but here's a pic.

The RV is a Keystone Cougar.

 

[kay74]

My brain is going in a completely different direction.

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So, if BT is NOT found deceased, are all of her assets considered community property with RT, including physical/material possessions like homes, RVs, as well as any monetary inheritances?

I guess my question is this:
As long as BT is not found and is not declared dead, under community property laws in Arizona, is RT able to spend money she may have inherited, or not?

JMO.

This is what LE has to find out IMO. Is their money altogether in a savings, CD, checking account or did she put her inheritance in a separate account with her name only, BUT on the other hand, if she has a will, she could, if found deceased, have it going to RT. I'm hoping it goes to her son and HK relatives.

 

[Nikynoo]

The truck is a Ford R-350 with an extended cab and dual rear tires. I do not have the exact model of the RV, but here's a pic.

no idea if this is right - Ford F-350 Super Duty MPG - Actual MPG from 1,896 Ford F-350 Super Duty owners Average MPG is about 13 and I dont think that is even when pulling something Tank capacity is 34 gallons. So if pulling the RV, perhaps 10 mpg x 34 =340. Not for the eco warrior, thats for sure.

This video may be useful at 8.48 MPG is 10.8 pulling the RV

 

[GordianKnot]

Respectfully, (and I do mean that with no snark, I always appreciate your thoughts and posts) LE does not START with a theory and then make facts fit that theory.

Agreed. I should have worded my thoughts more carefully.

LE was already in possession of certain facts.

I think they had a lot of facts but nothing concrete to support a specific theory regarding what's happened to BT.

If true, this particular bit of information re: BT receiving a sizable inheritance changes that.

If true, it's a huge piece of the puzzle...it's the sort of information that serves as a critical framework for cases.

Especially in courtrooms.

JMO.

 

[cazador]

oooh, where do you think? Nearer to home, or flying distance?

I was considering earlier today..
Just in case he was using the gas station to establish himself at a location and time, knowing he would be on camera.. The question is what are all the possible routes they could have taken prior to the purchase of ice.. What other isolated spots could they have stopped at ?

 

[Stripehaven]

Excellent post! BBM the most relevant to finding Barbara.

Well, I have mentioned beer and my curiosity about their typical drinking habits because IF RT is a drinker, it might make me think harder about his perception of the situation or his recall. I don’t care if BT took a beer on their walk, and unlike RT I don’t think it would lure a kidnapper. But I do wonder IF drinking was a big feature in their day and IF it affected recall, judgment, delays in driving to a place where phone service was possible, etc. or even if they became quarrelsome at some point. No aspersions on BT from me.

 

[Nikynoo]

Agreed. I should have worded my thoughts more carefully.

LE was already in possession of certain facts:

I think they had a lot of facts but nothing concrete to support a specific theory regarding what's happened to BT.

If true, this particular bit of information re: BT receiving a sizable inheritance changes that.

If true, it's a huge piece of the puzzle...it's the sort of information that serves as a critical framework for cases.

Especially in courtrooms.

JMO.

BUT RT would not get the inheritance UNLESS he was named in the will, it doesn't automatically become his UNLESS no will was left. The question is, WHO would receive it?
ETA - A body would also need to be found and foul play evidenced. If not, it looks like you cannot delare someone legally dead (sorry) until they have been missing for a continuous perod of 5 years - Legally Declaring Dead In Arizona - Person is Presumed Dead

 

[firstsleuth]

I have repeatedly stated in previous threads that someone may have seen the truck/RV, but not Barbara.

I have two questions:

What do you suppose the driving range of that particular truck is, assuming they started with a full tank of gas?

What do you suppose the driving range of that particular truck towing that particular RV might be?

IMO; Hard to know whether the truck has an extra gas tank, like this: RDS Aluminum Transfer Fuel Tank Toolbox Combo — 60 Gallon, Rectangular, Diamond Plate, Model# 71787 | Northern Tool + Equipment

I was competing on a horse show circuit for several years, many years ago (late teens to early 20s); had a crew cab dually (silverado or maybe a GMC) with an extra aftermarket tank. Gas, not diesel. We got about 5-6 miles per gallon pulling the horses in the trailer, and I think it took about 75-80 gallons to fill all 3 tanks (2 side tanks that came with the truck, plus the tank in the bed..I think they were connected together somehow.) Long time ago so definitely not recalling exact details here.

 

[GordianKnot]

BUT RT would not get the inheritance UNLESS he was named in the will, it doesn't automatically become his UNLESS no will was left. The question is, WHO would receive it?

And here's where my brain is reverting back to questions r/t whether any of the money she received from an inheritance is sitting in any joint accounts right now, or not.

If their financial assets are co-mingled and don't require the signatures of both parties for withdrawals, then BT NOT being found may mean that "her" money is "his" money in the meantime.

Kind of like "Mi Casa Es Su Casa," only "Mi Dinero Es Su Dinero....?"

JMO.

 

[Nikynoo]

And here's where my brain is reverting back to questions r/t whether any of the money she received from an inheritance is sitting in a joint account right now, or not.

If their financial assets are co-mingled and don't require the signatures of both parties for withdrawals, then BT NOT being found may mean that "her" money is "his" money in the meantime.

Kind of like "Mi Casa Es Su Casa," only "Mi Dinero Es Su Dinero....?"

JMO.

I'm not sure, at the moment, I don't think money is the strongest motive....

 

[GordianKnot]

Well, I have mentioned beer and my curiosity about their typical drinking habits because IF RT is a drinker, it might make me think harder about his perception of the situation or his recall. I don’t care if BT took a beer on their walk, and unlike RT I don’t think it would lure a kidnapper. But I do wonder IF drinking was a big feature in their day and IF it affected recall, judgment, delays in driving to a place where phone service was possible, etc. or even if they became quarrelsome at some point. No aspersions on BT from me.

I personally do not believe that BT's disappearance is at all due to any impulsive behavior and/or impaired decision-making by either BT or RT that day.

I don't think anyone acted impulsively that day.

I don't think anyone's decision-making ability was impaired that day.

JMO.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Although.. if random kidnapper perhaps hired to speed up some kind of an inheritance theory, it is very likely BT would have turned up obviously deceased by now... whereas perhaps someone with the means to hold out for that for a few years, not so much of a rush? But also have to consider age factors. <pondering>

Another factor in waiting a bit is that eventually it may be impossible to obtain DNA evidence or even a cause of death.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I'm not sure, at the moment, I don't think money is the strongest motive....

And it definitely doesn't have to be the only one, either. I imagine motives can have a synergistic effect.

 

[firstsleuth]

Respectfully, (and I do mean that with no snark, I always appreciate your thoughts and posts) LE does not START with a theory and then make facts fit that theory.

At least one can hope that's not the case. They may not MAKE facts, but they may ignore facts that do not fit their theory, focusing only on those that do fit...it's called Confirmation Bias and anyone doing research, working in law enforcement, or judging a case must be constantly checking their self-awareness to avoid this human tendency. MOO, along with every research methods and ethics class I've attended

ETA: ",focusing only on those that do fit"

 

[deugirtni]

Remember there is so much unaccounted time that hasn't been addressed. At all.
By anyone.
Other than members at WS speculating.
A truck without the RV can make pretty good time.
Did anyone see the truck that day without the RV/fifth wheel attached ?
Has that been asked here ?
If so, I've missed it.

I pondered that previously, but if we're talking about RT parking at the place where they went for their walk, I'm thinking LE would have been able to tell from tire marks that the truck had left and returned to hitch back onto the RV, if that had been the case. Unless you are speculating that perhaps BT wasn't with him *at all* during that rock formation interlude?