CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #10

[1&2&3]

If BT and her son were communicating via email, how would RT not be aware of this?

He seemed to be a very controlling man and it has been said that BT and RT were always together. This was back in the beginning, I could never go back to find it.

In the many discussions we have had, my feeling is there was not a good relationship between RT and BT’s son. I can understand why the son doesn’t want to release the method of how they communicated. BT May have expressed true feelings that her son does not want known at this point since we don’t know what truly happened to her. Some things are better to be kept quite in this unknown status.

It is neither side of the family trust the other side.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Yes, of course, but you would still be revealing personal information knowing that thousands or in some cases millions of people would be listening and could potentially talk about that personal information. It's a chance you would have to take and you would expect that. Imo

Yes, I would 'reveal personal information" til the cows came home if I thought it would help find my mom. I wouldn't ever think about it as taking a chance, or what I might have to deal with, I would just do it. Any attention that might help find my mom would be good attention. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

If BT and her son were communicating via email, how would RT not be aware of this?

He seemed to be a very controlling man and it has been said that BT and RT were always together. This was back in the beginning, I could never go back to find it.

In the many discuss

I don't know how he would know. Do most people read each other's emails?

Maybe Barbara didn't even have email.
Did she communicate that way with the rest of the family? I thought in the end Matt said they spoke by phone.

Just because married couples spend all their time together doesn't mean one or the other is controlling. Maybe they just enjoyed each other's company.
IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, I would 'reveal personal information" til the cows came home if I thought it would help find my mom. I wouldn't ever think about it as taking a chance, or what I might have to deal with, I would just do it. Any attention that might help find my mom would be good attention. MOO

Yes, so would I, but I would still be well aware that other people would be talking about it.

You can't expect to reveal personal things and not be aware that total strangers may talk about your business. Just look at all the horrible things people say on the internet and SM without knowing anything about the person.

IMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Yes, and the fact that he would never give his cousin an answer as to how they were communicating suggests he was hiding something.
If he really wanted to prove something Barbara had said, I would think he would want documentation of it.
Imo

It's possible Barbara's son knew much more about her situation prior to her disappearance, and potential factors and concerns he had about his mom thereof, than he felt comfortable revealing to her brothers and their family in Hong Kong, so far away, when she was on her way to visit them. Then she disappeared. I could see her son being really torn, as well as feeling bad about her situation leading up to her disappearance, and feeling like "if only" I had thrown up the alarm, it might have saved my mom.... MOO. That's the vibe I get from Matthew. He wasn't the one who knew Barbara was potentially in trouble to the degree she may have been if she didn't 'go missing' under 'natural circumstances' walking in the desert with her hubby and was 'abducted' by a random passerby, and was instead a victim of foul play, closer to home. Home in Bullhead City, AZ. MOO

 

[Tripod]

That will is problematic because you have to be missing a long time to be declared deceased. JMO

Unless you were Michael Chambers' wife.... IOW, there are obviously some legal ways to speed up a death cert./declaration, depending on various states' laws.

 

[10ofRods]

Apparently not so much to LE. As far as we know they never went to the kennel to question the staff.

According to what LE has stated and what has been consistently reported in the media, the last place Barbara was seen was 1/4 mile from where they parked the RV, somewhere along the path to the rock formations, where RT saw her rounding a corner. The exact location is not known, but this is what LE believes and was the reason they searched for her there using all the resources they had for as long as she could possibly be alive.

They must have gone to the convenience store and verified his story because they never indicated they were interested in looking for Barbara in any other location nor did they ever ask for the public's help asking if they had seen anything at a different location.

Imo

But the only source for that ¼ mile distance is RT, who may or may not have paid strict attention to where he last saw Barbara. After all, he didn’t know it would be the last time. People vary a great deal in their ability to calculate distance (knowing your own pace-length is helpful, then counting - but no one does that if they believe their spouse has merely walked on ahead a short distance).

He admits that he panicked when he didn’t see her at the RV. He then looks around (coming back and forth to the RV from where he thinks he last saw her? Did he ever second guess that location? Does he use his own pictures as reference points? He doesn’t mention that kind of activity, he mentions hollering and going to a cave they knew about and waving his arms, but he doesn’t mention using his pictures to make sure he had the right starting point for all this activity. I’m not criticizing him, I’m just mentioning that in his panic, he may not have been absolutely accurate about exactly where he set off to take the pictures.

I don’t think RT left the area at all that night. In theory, LE used RT’s pictures to get some indication of this last sighting, but if RT walked further towards rocks he decided not to photograph, or did a little exploring before turning back toward the RV, the pictures would not show this. So the time factor would still be unknown.

I can think of many scenarios in which couples separate on hikes. RT has never given a clear indication of what Barbara’s mood state was when she decided not to join him in walking to that particular rock formation (which should be the last picture of the day, according to what he said).

 

[Seattle1]

It's possible Barbara's son knew much more about her situation prior to her disappearance, and potential factors and concerns he had about his mom thereof, than he felt comfortable revealing to her brothers and their family in Hong Kong, so far away, when she was on her way to visit them. Then she disappeared. I could see her son being really torn, as well as feeling bad about her situation leading up to her disappearance, and feeling like "if only" I had thrown up the alarm, it might have saved my mom.... MOO. That's the vibe I get from Matthew. He wasn't the one who knew Barbara was potentially in trouble to the degree she may have been if she didn't 'go missing' under 'natural circumstances' walking in the desert with her hubby and was 'abducted' by a random passerby, and was instead a victim of foul play, closer to home. Home in Bullhead City, AZ. MOO

90+ days later, I no longer believe Barbara ever went on a hike with RT. MOO

 

[Tripod]

For those here who suspect foul play, if/when Barbara is found do you think she'll be find within a couple miles of the original search area or farther away?

Farther away than that, but possibly not by a whole lot. 5-10 miles, perhaps.

 

[Tripod]

Remember there is so much unaccounted time that hasn't been addressed. At all.
By anyone.
Other than members at WS speculating.
A truck without the RV can make pretty good time.
Did anyone see the truck that day without the RV/fifth wheel attached ?
Has that been asked here ?
If so, I've missed it.

I've mentioned a couple of times about searching along Hidden Hills Rd., which could easily accomodate a vehicle that is not trailering an RV.

 

[LAhiker]

I've mentioned a couple of times about searching along Hidden Hills Rd., which could easily accomodate a vehicle that is not trailering an RV.

While that makes sense, some have pointed out that a vehicle driving along Hidden Hill Road would raise a large dust plume that would be visible for miles. Someone intent on foul play might hesitate to be so conspicuous. JMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

If BT and her son were communicating via email, how would RT not be aware of this?

<snipped by me for brevity/focus>.

Because BT and her son figured out a way to communicate with eachother that didn't include RT. There are plenty of ways to do so, IMO.

 

[k-mac]

Because BT and her son figured out a way to communicate with eachother that didn't include RT. There are plenty of ways to do so, IMO.

it crossed my mind matt might be secretive/hedging his bets because as things stand RT is a free man at home with ACCESS to EVERYTHING BARBARA. ...and maybe if BT did have issues with RT being controlling and giving her no privacy this might be all MATT has to hang on to.

anyone who has lived this type of dynamic knows exactly what I mean.
might not relate to the thomas's...but its definitely possible with the information coming through.

moo

 

[Tripod]

I still wonder about this 'discrepancy' between RT's claim that LE told him the polygraph results showed he was being deceptive, and LE saying they didn't say anything about the results of the polygraph. I'm not trying to restart a dialogue about polygraphs and how they are used, what's typical for LE to say or do, their validity as a investigative tool, etc., etc. I just find it curious that RT brought it up himself and said LE told him about the results, and LE spokesperson says they don't release the results. So curious.... (BBM):

"A few days after the interview, Robert Thomas told Insider authorities considered him the prime suspect in their investigation after he failed a polygraph test.

Bachman said the Sheriff's Department does not release information on polygraph tests."

Family suspects foul play in disappearance of Bullhead City woman

I've wondered if LEO Bachman meant they don't release info on polygraphs to the media/general public, and not necessarily indicating whether RT was told or not told anything about his results.
Oops- I should keep reading before I post something redundant

 

[CarolynV]

Hi everyone. I have been reading this thread for a while. I went back to thread 1 to clarify some things for myself. Do we know if BT was "on board" with the purchase of the R.V.? Was it a joint decision, etc.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I've wondered if LEO Bachman meant they don't release info on polygraphs to the media/general public, and not necessarily indicating whether RT was told or not told anything about his results.
Oops- I should keep reading before I post something redundant

Thanks for everyone's input about LE spokesperson's statement that they don't release info about polygraph results, and what it means! I could see it as a generic statement, and also as indicative of the specific situation... MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Hi everyone. I have been reading this thread for a while. I went back to thread 1 to clarify some things for myself. Do we know if BT was "on board" with the purchase of the R.V.? Was it a joint decision, etc.

Thank you for reading about Barbara's disappearance and posting, CarolynV!

From what I've garnered following Barbara's disappearance here on WS and in the media, there's no no information from her family or anyone else indicating whether she was "on board" with their recent purchase of the truck and RV.

MOO

 

[Tripod]

While that makes sense, some have pointed out that a vehicle driving along Hidden Hill Road would raise a large dust plume that would be visible for miles. Someone intent on foul play might hesitate to be so conspicuous. JMO

Certainly a good possibility! No matter what or where, though, BT did vanish in broad daylight. Maybe HH Rd. gets a fair bit of use by ATVs and the like, so it wouldn't be unusual to see dust plumes. It's driving me nuts trying to come up with scenarios..

 

[Tripod]

Hi everyone. I have been reading this thread for a while. I went back to thread 1 to clarify some things for myself. Do we know if BT was "on board" with the purchase of the R.V.? Was it a joint decision, etc.

Welcome!

 

[PaulaDC]

I think he is in fear of retaliation by whoever he thinks planned or carried out the kidnapping.

Because of RT's connection with them in the past, he thinks RT is involved or knows what happened.

That's what I gathered from all the posts about him and his dark past.
Although we can't discuss any particular company, what I've gathered is that Matt believes there are powerful and dangerous people involved, and that Barbara knew something that might be a problem for them.

Whatever Barbara knew Matt may have known too. He hinted that he had been communicating with her before she disappeared. So maybe he believes whatever happened to her will happen to him.

That's just my interpretation, but I could be wrong. It might be speculation or it might be imagined, but I think that Matt believes it himself.

IMO

Have any of you researched news about the company? I wrote a post early on and may have deleted it due to unfavorable responses. I got the opinion I was being made fun of over using the term cartel. I am not into conspiracy theories but I am shocked and dismayed that our government has allowed a corporation like that to keep running. Does this mean it is just too big and powerful to take it down? Just like Epstein, how the heck did everyone turn a blind eye to that situation? I'd love for the country that I believe in to please show me they are not as corrupt as I'm starting to view them as.