CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #10

[MsBetsy]

It’s possible (IMO) BT’s son has been influenced by some comments here, also gathered info from the VI here and later called it his own knowledge. Just a thought.

I thought it was the VI who got the information from Matt.
At least I thought that was the source for the information about his use of the plane and and many other suspicious activities that RT apparently kept secret.

Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Hi everyone. I have been reading this thread for a while. I went back to thread 1 to clarify some things for myself. Do we know if BT was "on board" with the purchase of the R.V.? Was it a joint decision, etc.

We have never had any indication that she wasn't.
They both loved camping and hiking, and were known to go on spontaneous trips, so an RV would have been something I would think she may have enjoyed.
Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

And exactly when was that money inherited?

We don't have that information, the VI did not specify how long ago it was.
But if it was a long time ago it's possible that most if it was spent, or maybe even invested in other things.
They seemed to have many expensive things but whether or not there is a significant amount left we don't know.

Imo

 

[Reasonable & Just]

at a minimum i know barb was in communication with matt, while RT told me both he and barb had not been on speaking terms with matt for years. my father also was under the impression barb was not in communication with matt. i know that matt was in communication with barb. will spare the details, but the fact they were in communication when noone believed they were makes me think twice about everything else matt claimed.

independently verified, though matt never shared any of those communications with me, he knew things about my fathers condition only barbara could have shared with him. he knew about barbara's plans to visit hk before our family here did.

i guess barbara was probably matthews lifeline. perhaps she was supporting him in some financial capacity. just guessing on these last points though.

Thank you for clarifying this, @dbdb11. I think this is important information.

 

[dbdb11]

I thought it was the VI who got the information from Matt.
At least I thought that was the source for the information about his use of the plane and and many other suspicious activities that RT apparently kept secret.

Imo

websleuths with skills. i provided matt with that info.

 

[MsBetsy]

websleuths with skills. i provided matt with that info.

Oh, I thought family members told you that RT and Barbara would often visit and travelled in his plane.

 

[Jo in Calif]

So if LE took all computers/electronic devices and there were emails between Barb and Matt where she was sharing things with him about RT that could get him in trouble wouldn't LE know this? Even if Matt would not share with family what these were about.

 

[PommyMommy]

Oh, I thought family members told you that RT and Barbara would often visit and travelled in his plane.

They did. That doesn't mean that RT's family told dbdb11 that RT owned a plane. MOO

RE: RT's work: My father's wife said, when they visited Bullhead and stayed over in Laughlin... Rob would manage "shipping delivery" of herbalife, even when spending a weekend in Utah together, and regularly they needed to wait while he was on his phone. She also remembers he always took his cell phone calls very far away from them.

Worth reminding that my dad, his wife (even my siblings and I) have visited them in Henderson and in Bullhead, have taken trips with them in the boat and the RV. Neither my dad nor his wife were ever made aware that Robert had his own plane. According to RT's side of the family it was totally normal for RT and Barb to fly in for a visit. Not really sure what to make of that.

 

[Leney]

When asked I will state categorically that I have not been in contact with my sister for years.

This does not mean I have not "heard" from her, or that I have not had contact with my nephews.

I suspect the main source of contact was not with her son, but rather her grandchildren.

 

[Nikynoo]

@Nikinoo Thanks for your post w link to good article from June 2017 re AZ statute and w 71 y/o AZ man gone missing in Sept 2014. I wonder if there have been any developments since then.

Looks like its still the same @al66pine - 14-1107 - Determination of death and status; rules

 

[Nikynoo]

just for the record: LE have definitely been known to do dirty deeds to make a case. this sheriffs dept seems reputable enough, and i don't have any reason to doubt their ethics. detectives, though difficult to get hold of, and tight lipped, seem very professional.

@dbdb11 do you know whether the Sheriffs Department is working in conjunction with LE in Arizona?

 

[Leney]

It will be gone. It happens all the time.

Or it could be tied up in investments such as real estate, which could be used as collateral to secure a loan for an RV and a vehicle in which to pull it.

I seriously doubt that significant sums of money were left to sit in a bank account.

 

[Leney]

And here's where my brain is reverting back to questions r/t whether any of the money she received from an inheritance is sitting in any joint accounts right now, or not.

If their financial assets are co-mingled and don't require the signatures of both parties for withdrawals, then BT NOT being found may mean that "her" money is "his" money in the meantime.

Kind of like "Mi Casa Es Su Casa," only "Mi Dinero Es Su Dinero....?"

JMO.

An inheritance can be in many forms, of which each has a dollar value attached.
The dollar value can change dramatically with fluctuations in the economy.

On paper many could appear to have great wealth, but often that wealth is not in a form that is easily accessible or quickly liquidated.

I often see the "inheritance" or "life insurance" used as a means to justify a theory.

In reality, that "wealth" and/or investments, sit in limbo when an individual goes missing.

 

[Hatfield]

An inheritance can be in many forms, of which each has a dollar value attached.
The dollar value can change dramatically with fluctuations in the economy.

On paper many could appear to have great wealth, but often that wealth is not in a form that is easily accessible or quickly liquidated.

I often see the "inheritance" or "life insurance" used as a means to justify a theory.

In reality, that "wealth" and/or investments, sit in limbo when an individual goes missing.

JMO
That is true for things like Life Insurance which takes time to get to the final result of an insurance claim when the person is just listed as missing. Usually there is a time limit rule before a person can be declared deceased for the purpose of the life insurance claim. I seem to remember 7 years for some insurance policies where the person has to be missing for some extended period before they can be declared deceased.

The kicker though is if a person is committing murder to get that life insurance money, then what we have noticed is that usually the murderer doesnt do their homework ahead of time and they expect a quick resolution to the life insurance claim. So life insurance money is still a very real motive for lots of murderers that dont think things through regarding the delays they will experience trying to get that life insurance money.

And like others mentioned if there were any jointly owned accounts then a murderer may be able to obtain those money assetts immediately once the person they murdered is not around anymore.

 

[kay74]

When asked I will state categorically that I have not been in contact with my sister for years.

This does not mean I have not "heard" from her, or that I have not had contact with my nephews.

I suspect the main source of contact was not with her son, but rather her grandchildren.

Who's sister? Nephews? Her grandchildren are a boy and a girl.

 

[kay74]

I still would like to know if Matt's father is around? Has it been mentioned? Also wanted to know if Barb and her family are originally from Indiana since Matt is living there now.

 

[MsBetsy]

They did. That doesn't mean that RT's family told dbdb11 that RT owned a plane. MOO

Actually reading that post it sounds like it was RT's side of the family that the information about the plane came from, although he may not have owned it.
It seems as if his side knew but Barbaras side was not aware. Imo

 

[anneg]

I still would like to know if Matt's father is around? Has it been mentioned? Also wanted to know if Barb and her family are originally from Indiana since Matt is living there now.

There was a post back in July by @ClaireNC with information from Ancestry.com about Barbara, and it said that Matt's father died in 1983. I can't figure out how to quote that post, but you could search for it.

 

[PommyMommy]

Actually reading that post it sounds like it was RT's side of the family that the information about the plane came from, although he may not have owned it.
It seems as if his side knew but Barbaras side was not aware. Imo

Well, I suppose you can ask @dbdb11 how he learned about the plane when he pops back on here since TOS and all... MOO

 

[Nikynoo]

I still would like to know if Matt's father is around? Has it been mentioned? Also wanted to know if Barb and her family are originally from Indiana since Matt is living there now.

DBM - someone has already answered