CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #10

[HongKongPhooey]

What kind of representation does RT need?

Isn't it only logical him not having a lawyer, only just briefly when being told he was deceptive while he wasn't, that makes sense imo.

Soon after LE said no foul play no kidnapping, they have pictures of that day and time of Barbara being where Robert said she was, he isn't a suspect, so no need for a lawyer. IMO

How do you know he wasnt being deceptive?

 

[MsBetsy]

-respectfully snipped by me-



I think it's not fair to say this.
First, Barbara is his mother.
Second, Matt seems to be easily influenced. Now that it has become clear that VI has told Matt about all the in his opinion suspicious things about Robert, probably about his position in a certain company aswell and not the other way around, it seems Matt instantly has adopted all this suspicion and has put all these thoughts online instantly and in an interview.

But now he is unreliable and a hindrance to LE.

I truly like Matt, I think this is not fair.

He is entitled not to share with anyone how he communicated with his mother nor what they talked about, that is his private life and his right.

I think we are not entitled to all this info, these are private people with real lives and pain, and now being called unreliable and a liability to LE on an open board, how does this help anyone. IMO

Yes, Barbara is his mother and I'm sure he is suffering and doing what he thinks is best to find her.

But he was making public claims and voicing his suspicions publicly about the company before the VI became a member. It was after that when those details showed up on the thread.

It seemed to me that it was after Dbdb11 communicated with Matt that he began to dig deeper and look for clues to support the theory. So it was probably a combined effort and not necessarily one influencing the other.

I don't think anyone needs to know what the emails said either, if they exist. But I think the reason why the VI asked about it was because he wanted to produce documented evidence. It could have been a help to the investigation.

I don't know why LE said he was a liability, but since Matt said he was working closely with LE I suspect he gave them a lot of tips and information that they had to follow through with and it never led to any significant leads. Maybe they even determined that they were totally unfounded.

The only thing it seemed that LE shared with the VI which was posted here was that they do know Barbara was there (where RT said she was) because they have pictures of her. This is what he had speculated from the beginning and then it was finally confirmed by LE.

The only other thing they stated to him was that just because a person is suspicious, it does not make him a murderer.

So I'm thinking LE followed through with every lead Matt gave to them and did not uncover any long ago suspicious activities or at least that it was connected to Barbara's disappearance.

I'm sure he means well and truly wants to find out what happened to his mother. I doubt he would go through all the trouble and risk his life just because he never liked RT.

But it never made sense to me that he didn't want to get involved because he feared for his safety yet he told people he was working closely with LE and coming up with all kinds of leads.

Surely if we know that then the powerful people involved can find out.

Either way, I never considered him a reliable source even before the VI mentioned it, and we probably won't here much more from him anyway.

Unless, of course, it is found that Barbara really was kidnapped by some powerful criminal organization.

IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Barb communicated via RT’s cell phone since she didn’t own one.

Or the landline phone. Imo

 

[CSIDreamer]

Imagine if it were Robert who never met his grandchildren, that would have been considered suspicious behavior, paranoid etc.

This goes beyond not walking the dog.

Just saying this to put all the suspicious behavior of RT in context.

Another thing, people have been very upset how RT had not called Matt (no contact for 13 years) but apparently feel it very normal that the Matt accuses RT of the kidnapping and murder of his mother.

To me this go way further than not calling someone you haven't been in contact with for 13 years.

Just saying this to put the suspicious behavior of RT in context. IMO

I'm confused as to what context you're trying to frame up.

RT and Barbara will have been married 13 years this November 2019, not counting their courtship. Her grandchildren are 13 and 11. It sure sticks out to me that basically the entire time with RT that Barbara has never met her grandchildren.

 

[kay74]

I thought her grandchildren called her "Grandma Barbie" Was this from afar?

 

[kay74]

I'm confused as to what context you're trying to frame up.

RT and Barbara will have been married 13 years this November 2019, not counting their courtship. Her grandchildren are 13 and 11. It sure sticks out to me that basically the entire time with RT that Barbara has never met her grandchildren.

Her son seemed pretty nice to me. I don't see where he appeared troublesome like VI mentioned. Maybe that was his teen years? Maybe he and RT did not get along=rival. I would have made sure I saw my son and grands regardless. On the other hand, maybe it was the mother of the grands that kept Barb away? It's sad.

 

[lolafaith]

I'm confused as to what context you're trying to frame up.

RT and Barbara will have been married 13 years this November 2019, not counting their courtship. Her grandchildren are 13 and 11. It sure sticks out to me that basically the entire time with RT that Barbara has never met her grandchildren.

That's what i meant, if the kids did call her Grandma Barbie, that implies to me they interacted with her, whether on face time, phone or in person at some point.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Heck, they could call her that because they’ve only seen pictures. I remember seeing a picture of Barb holding children and I assumed they were her grandchildren. Now I’m thinking they were RT’s daughters children.

 

[MsBetsy]

Her son seemed pretty nice to me. I don't see where he appeared troublesome like VI mentioned. Maybe that was his teen years? Maybe he and RT did not get along=rival. I would have made sure I saw my son and grands regardless. On the other hand, maybe it was the mother of the grands that kept Barb away? It's sad.

In the beginning I believe Dbdb11 did not know if Barbara and Matt had any communication or whether or not they had maintained a relationship over the years because he apparently gave her some trouble when he was younger.
Matt said he had talked to his mom all the time but we don't know when this was. It sounded to me like they were estranged for some time. He didn't say it was because of RT, he just mentioned that Matt had given her problems or something like that.

I think Dbdb posted recently that they had communicated at least one time shortly before she went missing.

Imo

 

[kkdj]

Matt was Barb's only child. Imo he was who she loved unconditionally. I do believe they had communication. Sure, she might have had occasion to show tough love to him, but I doubt they had estrangement for long periods or for forever.

 

[PommyMommy]

Family suspects foul play in disappearance of Bullhead City woman

Matt direct quote:

"My mother and I were close. ... (We) spoke on the phone often (and) she loved my children, Christopher,13, and Natalie, 11. ...

ETA: Same article - BT's nephew is also quoted. If he didn't know how they communicated, he could have read the article.

The article was published after her nephew (our VI, dbdb11) said he didn't know how they communicated.

VI's post - Aug 29
Article - Sep 10

In my experience - seems many people of BT's generation still have land lines. Is it a fact that BT had to rely solely on RT's cellular phone to communicate with others? TIA.

Nope. They also had a landline. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Sorry, I don't know why the article I quoted did not show up, but my comment is in reply Seattle's post stating that Barbaras nephew could have just read the article to find out how Matt and Barbara were communicating:

The article was the result of a combined effort by both the VI and Barbara's son, as well as other members of the family.
RT's nephew is the one who wrote the statement representing the family.
He and Matt had been communicating and working together to solve the case since the beginning.

I don't see any reason why her son would not tell him how he was communicating with her. He felt comfortable enough to tell strangers, why not tell a family who truly wants to help to find her?

In his first interview he said he communicated by email. Maybe the VI was hoping for some evidence to help with the investigation. He can't help if he doesnt know the details.

Later Matt said they spoke on the phone so maybe there are no emails that can police can use, or maybe LE has them.

Either way it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't tell his couisin who seems to be the only other person who is actively trying to help find Barbara.

IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

That's what i meant, if the kids did call her Grandma Barbie, that implies to me they interacted with her, whether on face time, phone or in person at some point.

I don't think they ever met.
They could have referred to her as Grandma Barbie even if they never saw each other in person.
My mom died before my daughter was born and whenever we talk about her she calls her by the nickname my grandmother gave her and always called her by. (With grandma added to it)

Imo

 

[squareandrabbet]

I don't think they ever met.
They could have referred to her as Grandma Barbie even if they never saw each other in person.
My mom died before my daughter was born and whenever we talk about her she calls her by the nickname my grandmother gave her and always called her by. (With grandma added to it)

Yes, I agree that one can have a nickname for someone that you've never met in person (lol); and that you can love them without having met them in person. You have to call them something, after all. Grandma sends the kid a toy that delights them; they will love the giver even in absentia. Mothers experience love for their unborn infants in embryo, for example.

 

[LietKynes]

Has RT retained another lawyer?

This could be the beginning of RT’s collapse if he hasn’t gotten a new lawyer. He may think enough time has passed that the story has lost interest. Whatever “guard”he
had been maintaining knowing LE was watching him, he figures is over.

He may now feel like he is a free man. LE needs to be watching him to see what he does. IMO, he is a sly suspicious guy.

Barbara Thomas did not disappear into thin air!

BBM

Ita.
And yes, he needs to be watched.
And if he's hanging out anywhere and has a new potential wife... what is he telling her ?
Is he acting as though he is truly free now without what he may feel is/was 'baggage' ?
I mean no disrespect to Barbara at all !

What kind of representation does RT need?

Isn't it only logical him not having a lawyer, only just briefly when being told he was deceptive while he wasn't, that makes sense imo.

Soon after LE said no foul play no kidnapping, they have pictures of that day and time of Barbara being where Robert said she was, he isn't a suspect, so no need for a lawyer. IMO

BBM

First bolded : The LE have publicly said they do not tell persons of interest or even someone supposedly innocent that they polygraphed -- the results ! Period.

This was mentioned in the msm thread and elsewhere; so you may want to look it up as there were other statements made by LE that were of potential interest to Barbara's case.

So why is RT telling the public that he was considered to be deceptive via his interview ?
We don't know....and we shouldn't make a statement as if it's factual -- when it's not.
You do not know that RT wasn't deceptive. Nor do I.

All we have is that he told the interviewer and the public that he was told he was being deceptive --which is a nicer way of him saying LE called him a liar. (which is somewhat rude, if true -- but as far as LE in RT's situation , I think not)

After which LE issued a rebuttal saying they didn't release to RT information in this case.

Maybe LE do tell poi's or suspects in other cases.
Anyone who follows true crime cases will have knowledge of past cases where LE certainly did reveal a person being poly'd their results.

But this is Barbara's case.
So no one can say that RT was told he was being deceptive when only he came up with that.

Second bolded : LE have not ruled out foul play.
And they've never said there wasn't a kidnapping.
Just no evidence.

So we cannot speculate and state that this didn't happen... as a proven fact.
But I agree with you that there was never an abduction.
It was (allegedly) something else.

And the VI said that LE let him know there are photos taken that day.
These photos have not been released to the VI nor to the public.

It's possible that LE are not certain of the location or that the time stamps were changed.
Or LE saw something in the photos that gave them pause.

You may think that RT is not a suspect and he hasn't been charged as such, but LE haven't cleared anyone at this time.

LE do not administer poly's for no reason at all.
And they don't give a poly in every single missing person's case.
So why this one ?
MOO

 

[LietKynes]

I'm confused as to what context you're trying to frame up.

RT and Barbara will have been married 13 years this November 2019, not counting their courtship. Her grandchildren are 13 and 11. It sure sticks out to me that basically the entire time with RT that Barbara has never met her grandchildren.

BBM

Possibly another piece to this puzzle ?

 

[LietKynes]

Another thing, people have been very upset how RT had not called Matt (no contact for 13 years) but apparently feel it very normal that the Matt accuses RT of the kidnapping and murder of his mother.

BBM
Snipped for brevity.

^^^ Do you have a link for the bolded ?

The msm thread for Barbara's case does not include information to support your comment.
I went back and read the posts and there wasn't a direct link to show the son's accusations.

It's important as you post as if this is fact, when it's entirely possible that the son thought RT's business connections may have been behind Barbara's vanishing.
It'd help to post sources before accusing Barbara's son of orchestrating a campaign against anyone.
Tia , MOO and all that.

 

[Chingaling]

correct. after websleuths brought the plane to my attention, i shared that info with LE, with matt, and also brought it up with RT's family. they knew about the plane and explained rob and barb flew in to visit. that was normal. for me and my family we only saw the flight simulator, we went on the colorado river in the boat, and took day trips into the desert. we rarely visited... about once a year, until 2008 or so when we stopped doing annual family visits to the US.

he's had the plane since before meeting barb, so not sure why they wouldn't think to mention it, ever.


barb has never met her grandchildren, and, imo, they are too young to share health details about relatives or travel plans with. perhaps with their mother? its not impossible, but i doubt it.

as i understand, barb and matt were in direct contact, on at least one occasion, in the months leading up to her disappearance.

That is so sad that she has never met her grandchildren.I would say that 99.99 percent of grandparents have met their offsprings offspring.I was present for all 4 of my grandchildrens birth.I just couldn't imagine.Do you have any idea why she never met them?

 

[Jo in Calif]

My best guess is that RT has never met BT’s son in person.

 

[Chingaling]

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Hmmm I wonder if that is the only time she wears a bikini is when they are going to be in the river.I don't know anyone who would wear a bikini in the desert on a hike