CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #11

[BeachSky]

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We have made a big assumption they they returned to the RV along the same route and that he didn't return before she did.

She might have gone back looking for him.

Add it to the list of unknowns here.

This is an interesting thought IMO.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I have seen no comments (not to mention photos) giving any indication that the "bikini" BT was supposedly wearing was referring to both top and bottoms. The word "bikini" could mean both pieces, actual swimwear. Or it might mean bikini top, without specifying what she wore below -- shorts or whatever.

Ditto with any mention of a black bra, I do not recall any mention of underwear bottoms -- no specifics were given at all, IIRC, about what she wore on her lower body, other than the mention of the presence of socks and shoes.

While sun-lovers might take walks in a skimpy top, it really seems beyond reasonable to wear only swimsuit bottoms or underwear -- one wouldn't even be able to stop and sit on a boulder for a rest -- with thin material it would be too hot to make contact!

I have to think that she would have chosen at least shorts. If she is out there with only swimsuit or underwear bottoms, I have to think that either she expected to go only an extremely short distance, or that she was not choosing her clothing voluntarily...

IMO

 

[Cherwell]

I would venture to guess that the mentions of clothing have all come from men, hence the inconsistency and lack of detail. I think women would be much more specific about bra/bikini top etc.

 

[Nikynoo]

I would venture to guess that the mentions of clothing have all come from men, hence the inconsistency and lack of detail. I think women would be much more specific about bra/bikini top etc.

Agree - to me (female), bikini would mean top and bottom. Hopefully, BT was wearing something other than boots and socks below the waistline

 

[CSIDreamer]

are there any actual photos of Barbara wearing a bikini, knee high black socks with hiking boots??

pretty sure I haven't seen any.
I have seen pics of barb in a bikini in holiday mode around her camp site, watering holes etc having a relaxing time.

but there is a big difference between going for a walk in the middle of the day and summer frolicking around your destination.


moo

Just the ones we've seen on the media thread. Page 1 of this thread has a link to the media thread.

 

[Jenz]

Why do we always come back to what she was wearing? We know basically what she was wearing...
Or is it moreso why?
And why was it made an issue of?

 

[PaulR]

I would venture to guess that the mentions of clothing have all come from men, hence the inconsistency and lack of detail. I think women would be much more specific about bra/bikini top etc.

It doesn't really matter whether it would be legally classified as a a bra or bikini top or sports bra. It's almost certainly what she was wearing in the photo.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Why do we always come back to what she was wearing? We know basically what she was wearing...
Or is it moreso why?
And why was it made an issue of?

It doesn't really matter whether it would be legally classified as a a bra or bikini top or sports bra. It's almost certainly what she was wearing in the photo.

The specifics of the clothes in the photos are relevant to showing what was common for BT; what she was comfortable wearing.

The focus on what she was wearing on the day she disappeared is not important at the surface, especially after the first few days.

But here's why I think it's relevant to figuring out what happened to her -- since the descriptions are really unlikely for the weather and activity, it brings into question the accuracy/truthfulness of the person initially providing those descriptions. IMO

 

[Jenz]

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[PaulR]

The specifics of the clothes in the photos are relevant to showing what was common for BT; what she was comfortable wearing.

The focus on what she was wearing on the day she disappeared is not important at the surface, especially after the first few days.

But here's why I think it's relevant to figuring out what happened to her -- since the descriptions are really unlikely for the weather and activity, it brings into question the accuracy/truthfulness of the person initially providing those descriptions. IMO

You are saying RT could be untruthful because he doesn't know the difference between a sports bra and a bikini top?

I don't know the difference between them. Much less between the different types of bikinis.

 

[Jenz]

The specifics of the clothes in the photos are relevant to showing what was common for BT; what she was comfortable wearing.

The focus on what she was wearing on the day she disappeared is not important at the surface, especially after the first few days.

But here's why I think it's relevant to figuring out what happened to her -- since the descriptions are really unlikely for the weather and activity, it brings into question the accuracy/truthfulness of the person initially providing those descriptions. IMO

Exactly!

 

[Jenz]

You are saying RT could be untruthful because he doesn't know the difference between a sports bra and a bikini top?

I don't know the difference between them. Much less between the different types of bikinis.

Don't think it was about that...moreso, there was emphasis placed on what Barb was wearing...for maybe? IMO leading her to succumbing to the elements...ie: being vulnerable...

 

[Auntie Cipation]

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[Auntie Cipation]

You are saying RT could be untruthful because he doesn't know the difference between a sports bra** and a bikini top?

I don't know the difference between them. Much less between the different types of bikinis.

No, I recognize that lots of people wouldn't perceive that distinction.

But I think the description should have included shorts or whatever she was wearing on her bottom half.

And if the claim is that she was wearing only bikini bottoms plus footwear, that seems so uncomfortable/risky for the activity/weather that it causes me to wonder how voluntary the walk was, or even how accurate the description of the length/timing/location of the walk was. Again, IMO

**for clarity -- we were talking about people not distinguishing between bikini underwear vs bikini swimsuit. Not sports bra, which usually does look very different. It may not matter in the long run, but it always concerns me when I see specific descriptions "drift" like this, because the drift can continue until we're discussing entirely inaccurate scenarios.

 

[PaulR]

Don't think it was about that...moreso, there was emphasis placed on what Barb was wearing...for maybe? IMO leading her to succumbing to the elements...ie: being vulnerable...

Because missing person reports have what the person was last wearing.

Example 1: Owen Klinger: Find Owen Klinger. Says what he was wearing last.
Example 2: Forrest Stephen Treat: Union County Sheriff on Twitter. Says what he was wearing last.
Example 3: Ray Gricar: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/ray-frank-gricar/@@download.pdf Says what he was wearing last.

I can keep going if you like.

 

[Jenz]

Because missing person reports have what the person was last wearing.
Which seems to be RT's main focus...imo

Example 1: Owen Klinger: Find Owen Klinger. Says what he was wearing last.
Example 2: Forrest Stephen Treat: Union County Sheriff on Twitter. Says what he was wearing last.
Example 3: Ray Gricar: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/ray-frank-gricar/@@download.pdf Says what he was wearing last.

I can keep going if you like.

I totally agree..
The point I was making is...was the emphasis placed on what Barb was wearing...was reason for her to be a victim of her disappearance....

 

[PaulR]

I totally agree..
The point I was making is...was the emphasis placed on what Barb was wearing...was reason for her to be a victim of her disappearance....

I don't think so. I've always interpreted both the words and how RT says it as the effect of him being asked by police (and searchers and possibly reporters) what she was wearing last and what she had with her (note the Klinger missing person poster which also indicates what he had with him.) So he keeps repeating it because he's been asked it a number of times, so it must be important.

 

[Jenz]

I don't think so. I've always interpreted both the words and how RT says it as the effect of him being asked by police (and searchers and possibly reporters) what she was wearing last and what she had with her (note the Klinger missing person poster which also indicates what he had with him.) So he keeps repeating it because he's been asked it a number of times, so it must be important.

Yep, of course it's important...
Because it fits

 

[CSIDreamer]

Why do we always come back to what she was wearing? We know basically what she was wearing...
Or is it moreso why?
And why was it made an issue of?

Because her husband made it an issue to start with. Beyond that, just the usual ws discussion if this was attire to be hiking in desert heat, around cholla, etc

 

[Jenz]

Because her husband made it an issue to start with. Beyond that, just the usual ws discussion if this was attire to be hiking in desert heat, around cholla, etc

Exactly! 'He' emphasised that fact!
She was vulnerable according to him from the get go...
Just saying.....imoo