CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #2

[Ninja Bunny]

This has not been my experience with polygraphs at all. And I've taken many as part of routine conditions for employment. LE has better uses of time than to engage in guessing games. Besides, the effectiveness of the poly resides in getting the examinee to truly believe in its effectiveness. So the tactic would be self-defeating

If they have a person they’re investigating they’re going to say what they need to say to see if the person cracks and exposes themselves if they’re guilty. LE knows that guilty people sometimes pass. The tactic isn’t self-defeating if the subject doesn’t know beforehand that LE is going to bluff them.

 

[ilovematt]

To me the most likely scenario has always been that she got off the trail and became disoriented and kept walking instead of staying in place. Sometimes it takes a long time to find people.

There are things about RT’s statements that I find odd, like she’s been taken because she was in a bikini and she’s probably in Vegas. However, if LE was questioning him for awhile about what he thought happened, he might have eventually come up with this and then repeated it to the press.

I do think there is a chance we aren’t getting the full picture. Maybe she got annoyed with him and stalked off. Maybe he took longer taking photos of the rocks than he thought. Maybe it took him longer to notice she was missing than he has portrayed. None of that makes him guilty of anything, but they might be things he would hold back. That also might explain why some people get a weird feeling from his statements.

I hate myself for not remembering their names but there was a young new couple who vanished in a well traveled party of the Mohave. It took them months to find them and I’m pretty sure they were discovered by happenstance. They were surrounded with candy wrappers pretty sure?

Anyway, true that people can get lost and confused and delirious and often just walk in circles or wander from pure will to survive. Until they don’t. Which adds insult.

Selfishly, I hope the husband didn’t do it bc I wanna be a hippie retired rv couple and this will make me give my husband the side eye. IMO

 

[ZZbball22]

I am only asking because I really do not know the answer.

I've seen other cases referenced in which the search lasted about a week and then we're called off. I don't mean to fuel speculation, but if they had suspicions a crime was committed, and they were searching for evidence in addition to a missing person. Would that be a reason why such an extensive search is being performed under such extreme conditions?

I'm not sure at what point they switch to a recovery operation and how long that is sustained for, but I've seen other cases on here that the search only lasts a few days and stopped until more information can be gathered about the disappearance.

It strikes me, with the extreme weather and conditions out there, they would be focusing on recovery rather than rescue at this point.

Anyone have info or thoughts on this? I know all cases and SAR are different but I'm wondering if this stands out to anyone else?

 

[TristanP]

If on day 8 they are still looking for Barbara but not calling it a recovery search what do you make of that. Surly nobody could live in the desert this long.
It's surely puzzling.

I’ve been binge watching episodes of “I Shouldn’t Be Alive” on Amazon Prime, and there are some pretty astonishing stories of survival longer than anyone would think possible. Obviously they are the exception but those cases might be enough reason for the searchers to keep going at least another day or two hoping it will be a rescue and not a body recovery.

 

[Gardener1850]

I hate myself for not remembering their names but there was a young new couple who vanished in a well traveled party of the Mohave. It took them months to find them and I’m pretty sure they were discovered by happenstance. They were surrounded with candy wrappers pretty sure?

Anyway, true that people can get lost and confused and delirious and often just walk in circles or wander from pure will to survive. Until they don’t. Which adds insult.

Selfishly, I hope the husband didn’t do it bc I wanna be a hippie retired rv couple and this will make me give my husband the side eye. IMO

Are you possibly thinking of Joseph and Rachel who went missing in Joshua Tree? I don't remember anything about candy wrappers, so maybe not the one you're thinking of, but the terrain is very similar: Found Deceased - CA - Rachel Nguyen, 20, & Joseph Orbeso, 21, Joshua Tree Nat'l Park, 27 July 2017 #1

ETA: I thought of another couple case-- William and Susan Schmeirer: Found Deceased - CA - Susan, 65 & William Schmeirer, 64 (both found deceased) Amboy Crater, 13 June 2018
William was found pretty soon but it took almost a year to find Susan's body. Nothing suspicious in that case. Appears they got separated and died of heat exposure in different locations. Terrain is the same and heat was a factor.

MOO

 

[iscaremyself]

Are you possibly thinking of Joseph and Rachel who went missing in Joshua Tree? I don't remember anything about candy wrappers, so maybe not the one you're thinking of, but the terrain is very similar: Found Deceased - CA - Rachel Nguyen, 20, & Joseph Orbeso, 21, Joshua Tree Nat'l Park, 27 July 2017 #1

I had thought of them the other day..the terrain is the same.

 

[Lilibet]

I am only asking because I really do not know the answer.

I've seen other cases referenced in which the search lasted about a week and then we're called off. I don't mean to fuel speculation, but if they had suspicions a crime was committed, and they were searching for evidence in addition to a missing person. Would that be a reason why such an extensive search is being performed under such extreme conditions?

I'm not sure at what point they switch to a recovery operation and how long that is sustained for, but I've seen other cases on here that the search only lasts a few days and stopped until more information can be gathered about the disappearance.

It strikes me, with the extreme weather and conditions out there, they would be focusing on recovery rather than rescue at this point.

Anyone have info or thoughts on this? I know all cases and SAR are different but I'm wondering if this stands out to anyone else?

I think the longer the search lasts from now on, it might be that they are looking for Barbara because they have evidence of a crime. But I know of at least one case in my area with a named suspect, but searches for the body eventually ended. There were sporadic efforts for about a year. I’m sure in that case (Stephanie Warner) she was well hidden in a cave or mine by her boyfriend who knew the mountains well. It is now six years. So at some point they will have to stop searching for Barbara, no matter what LE believes.
JMO

 

[Handsome Sailor]

The thing that spikes my hinky meter is that the circumstances of her disappearance are ALMOST TOO PERFECT (no witnesses, isolated area, no evidence of crime)...In other words, if someone had devised a scenario to "disappear" someone else, this would be the perfect set up for it. Like it's almost "too good to be true," but in a very bad sense

 

[Kapua]

Can anyone think of a case where a POI admitted to the press that LE said he was being deceptive in the polygraph and he later turned out to have murdered the missing person? I can only think of cases where an innocent POI admitted LE told them that and later someone else was arrested and convicted. If he had harmed her, he wouldn't want to admit to the public that police told him he was deceptive in the polygraph. MOO.

Yes, I can. If I recall correctly, Scott Peterson told the press that LE said he'd failed the polygraph.

 

[Lilibet]

Yes, I can. Scott Peterson told the press that LE said he'd failed the polygraph.

I believe you Kapua, but in my curious googling all I can find is that he refused to take a polygraph. Can you point me in the right direction?

 

[Kapua]

I believe you Kapua, but in my curious googling all I can find is that he refused to take a polygraph. Can you point me in the right direction?

All I have is my memory. So I will amend my post to say, "If I recall correctly, Scott Peterson told the media that he failed a polygraph test". It might have been in the Diane Sawyer interview.

 

[jpo74]

I think it's possible that he could be holding something back that's not directly related to her disappearance. Something he would rather no one know. If he knows for certain that he didn't hurt her or worse, he might not be willing to answer some of LE's questions honestly.

Like maybe an affair

 

[jpo74]

Ugh, I was hoping she was found by now.
I think some of us are a suspicious bunch. Especially after all the heart ache we see here. Some of us doubt everything.
I do hope she's found.

Honestly, I don't think she's there. Either she got a ride or something else bad happened to her. I too am giving hubby benefit of the doubt. Who knows she could have fell down something.

 

[dbdb11]

does anyone know if the police have confirmed Robbies statement of a deceptive polygraph?

seems he is the onlyone who has said anything about it. police still maintain no foul play suspected?

 

[dbdb11]

 

[dbdb11]

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[Rosegold68]

I’m in the Uk

Links to US news don’t work here

 

[cricket49]

Can anyone think of a case where a POI admitted to the press that LE said he was being deceptive in the polygraph and he later turned out to have murdered the missing person? I can only think of cases where an innocent POI admitted LE told them that and later someone else was arrested and convicted. If he had harmed her, he wouldn't want to admit to the public that police told him he was deceptive in the polygraph. MOO.

Polygraphs are a tool to help LE focus on or eliminate a person of interest. They are NOT always accurate.

I watched a true crime show last night where the ex husband and the boyfriend both failed a polygraph. Strange but true. I wonder how many innocent people are deemed to be a suspect by LE because they fail a poly.

 

[scaredtopost]

@dbdb11 Thank you for being here and your family has been on my mind and in my prayers. Can you verify BT & RT were involved with the Herbalife company? Apologies if you addressed this previously, since I had to skip pages to catch up. I'm hoping this nightmare ends soon for you and your family xoxo

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[oviedo]

does anyone know if the police have confirmed Robbies statement of a deceptive polygraph?

seems he is the onlyone who has said anything about it. police still maintain no foul play suspected?

No new media reports that I have found have mentioned LE and the lie detector results - I’m only finding RT saying this in those early interviews. I set up a media thread for BT