CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #2

[K9Enzo]

Regarding the dogs. Unless LE gave a statement regarding what they did or did not track, I would not assume anything. IMO

 

[NervousNellie]

This was posted without comment. If we are connecting the dots, do we ascertain that Barb was the 25-35 year old lady mentioned in the affidavit?

I didn’t make that connection, but Robert is the one with the connection to Herbalife, I believe. And he and Barbara have not been together since 1985. Even if it was her, it seems unlikely she would later marry someone involved in the business if she believed it to be shady.

I’m not saying Herbalife is or isn’t shady, or is or isn’t part of this story. (Family seem to think so, and I think they must have a reason.) Just that I didn’t think the anonymous woman mentioned by the anonymous caller was Barbara when I read the affidavit. Though, as @WiseOwl noted, the ages match. And dbdb11 seems to be much more tight lipped now that s/he is a VI.

ETA: I mean no disrespect by saying dbdb11 is being tight lipped. I really mean not as active with posting here. I assume family are busy right now and focusing on finding Barbara.

 

[wary]

These "sniffers" are amazing. The point would be that they would alert on her scent from the point of origin...where she supposedly started from. They aren't picking up anything (from what I understand), thus it puts in to question his rendition that she was even there.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Dogs are amazing, but many times they don’t find a person who’s there to be found. And hot dry weather, which we have here, is considered very bad tracking/trailing weather. So I doubt that we can draw valid conclusions from their not picking up anything—and we don’t know that they didn’t. LE hasn’t said a word, except that they’re using dogs.

 

[Lilibet]

There is a very detailed, documented and heavily footnoted piece put together by plainsite dot org regarding some Herbalife distributors’ involvement with cocaine and money laundering internationally. Since it’s not MSM I won’t link it. It looks legitimate, but I think it’s a huge reach and a deep rabbit hole to connect Barbara’s disappearance with this issue.

 

[fabvab]

I didn't realize this was the 2nd thread...need to go drink more coffee and start reading. This is bizarre case and my "nefarious meter" went on alert after reading the first story. She may have left love notes under his pillow trying to rekindle relationship.

 

[PommyMommy]

Were the camper and truck recent purchases?
I think there was a picture that showed it to be a Keystone Cougar? (Fifth wheel, not sure if 31 foot)
And a dually truck? Ford?

I know that camper looks brand new, and my dad mentioned a new dually (new toy) in the Thomas garage few weeks back.

It was suggested to me by an actual insider that herbalife is a front for other things, and I don't see why that couldn't be extremely pertinent.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Wonder what kind of camper and truck they had previously? Since these were recently purchased - and being described as normal behavior for this couple, they would have owned a camper before this new one.

Not sure if the husband had a full time job with retirement benefits or was full time Herbalife.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

There is a very detailed, documented and heavily footnoted piece put together by plainsite dot org regarding some Herbalife distributors’ involvement with cocaine and money laundering internationally. Since it’s not MSM I won’t link it. It looks legitimate, but I think it’s a huge reach and a deep rabbit hole to connect Barbara’s disappearance with this issue.

“a deep rabbit hole“ could be exactly what she fell into that day.

 

[PommyMommy]

I didn't realize this was the 2nd thread...need to go drink more coffee and start reading. This is bizarre case and my "nefarious meter" went on alert after reading the first story. She may have left love notes under his pillow trying to rekindle relationship.

This is a good place to get caught up - just one page so far.

CA - AZ, Barbara Thomas,69,Timelind, Media, Maps, *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[rosesfromangels]

Dogs are amazing, but many times they don’t find a person who’s there to be found. And hot dry weather, which we have here, is considered very bad tracking/trailing weather. So I doubt that we can draw valid conclusions from their not picking up anything—and we don’t know that they didn’t. LE hasn’t said a word, except that they’re using dogs.

You are right, they are amazing. There are alot of misperceptions about these miracle workers and how terrain/weather (does/does not) effect findings. Here's a good overview:

Using Air Scent Dogs

On a related note, I'll just add that my dog is far too lazy to be in SAR. I tried. No go. : )

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[PommyMommy]

Are you thinking the 360 photo wasn’t taken on the hike? The post said that it captured cars in a parking lot and LE was looking at plate numbers. Where was the parking lot and why was LE interested, I wonder, if the photo wasn’t taken on the hike? Perhaps at another stop they made along the way? Do we know what time they left home and what time they started hiking/walking?

Another question. Do we know if she left her house in the bikini and wore it in the truck on the drive to where they hiked or did she change into it when they stopped? It just seems strange to wear it traveling and she might have been seen wearing something else earlier.

It's hard to say whether the photo was taken on the hike or not but LE says they were hiking at 2:30 p.m. How long had they been hiking? Since that morning? Unfortunately, we don't know that or what time they left home.

We also don't know if they started on the hike immediately after they parked alongside the road. They could have sat there and had lunch first or something.

We are missing so many details. MOO

 

[fabvab]

This is a good place to get caught up - just one page so far.

CA - AZ, Barbara Thomas,69,Timelind, Media, Maps, *NO DISCUSSION*

Thanks, PommyMommy! You are always so awesome and helpful!

 

[MuddyTires]

There is a very detailed, documented and heavily footnoted piece put together by plainsite dot org regarding some Herbalife distributors’ involvement with cocaine and money laundering internationally. Since it’s not MSM I won’t link it. It looks legitimate, but I think it’s a huge reach and a deep rabbit hole to connect Barbara’s disappearance with this issue.

Here are a couple of the MSM media articles cited in that Herbalife report.

https://nypost.com/2016/10/10/there...screening-of-ackmans-new-anti-herbalife-film/

“Betting on Zero,” the documentary, which chronicles Ackman’s now-four-year battle against the Los Angeles-based nutritional supplement company had a screening Friday evening at a DC investigative film festival.

The screening was sold out, but festival organizers noticed what it called “an unusual buying pattern” in online sales.

Exactly half of the tickets purchased appeared to be made by ten employees of Heather Podesta & Partners, a DC-based lobbying firm that works with Herbalife.

Those tickets went unclaimed Friday evening, leaving 173 seats unfilled during the film’s screening and its later question and answer portion, which featured the film’s director Ted Braun and Bill Ackman.

“Heather Podesta + Partners’ deliberate attempt to thwart an interested DC audience from seeing our documentary seems like another step by Herbalife to avoid the serious questions raised by the film and the recent FTC settlement, and to prevent the public from seeing ‘Betting On Zero,’” Braun said in a statement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.32502c160be2

Fusion GPS bills itself as a corporate research firm, but in many ways it operates with the secrecy of a spy agency. No sign marks its headquarters above a coffee shop in Northwest Washington. Its website consists of two sentences and an email address. Its client list is closely held.

The small firm has been under intense public scrutiny for producing the 35-page document known as the Trump dossier. Senior executives summoned to testify before Congress in October invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, and the firm is resisting a congressional subpoena for bank records that would reveal who has paid for its services.

But hundreds of internal company documents obtained by The Washington Post reveal how Fusion, a firm led by former journalists, has used investigative reporting techniques and media connections to advance the interests of an eclectic range of clients on Wall Street, in Silicon Valley and in the nation’s capital. The firm has played an unseen role in stories that dominated headlines in recent years.

In the years before it produced the dossier, records show, Fusion worked to blunt aggressive reporting on the medical-device company Theranos, which was later found to have problems with its novel blood-testing technology. It was also hired to ward off scrutiny of the nutritional supplement company Herbalife, which ultimately paid $200 million to distributors to settle claims by regulators.

 

[cody22]

Marking my spot again.....I need to find myself an avatar of a dog with a fire hydrant....moo

 

[kkdj]

Marking my spot again.....I need to find myself an avatar of a dog with a fire hydrant....moo

Sometimes you just crack me up Cody22!

 

[Jessthinkin]

https://cdn1.imggmi.com/uploads/2019/7/21/413b66aa1095865f4bef1b6fd6f8bb50-full.jpg

Yikes!!

 

[kkdj]

It's hard to say whether the photo was taken on the hike or not but LE says they were hiking at 2:30 p.m. How long had they been hiking? Since that morning? Unfortunately, we don't know that or what time they left home.

We also don't know if they started on the hike immediately after they parked alongside the road. They could have sat there and had lunch first or something.

We are missing so many details. MOO

See, that's the thing. I don't trust RT's account of the day, whatever he might have told LE. He is telling the public his polygraph results were deceptive per what he says LE told him. His wife is gone and there is possibly suspicious dealings with him as I understand it. My ears are certainly perked up! I'm not sure what to think right now, but I'm not going to simply believe the last admitted known person to see her before she vanished. Something is unknown here and I'm quite disturbed by it.

 

[zecats]

See, that's the thing. I don't trust RT's account of the day, whatever he might have told LE. He is telling the public his polygraph results were deceptive per LE. His wife is gone and there is possibly suspicious dealings with him as I understand it. My ears are certainly perked up! I'm not sure what to think right now, but I'm not going to simply believe the last admitted known person to see her before she vanished. Something is unknown here and I'm quite disturbed by it.

Admitting that one's polygraph was deceptive is not conducive to triggering belief in other accounts. You are so right. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If the above Herbalife Information is true, is that why RT knew that BT was kidnapped and taken to Vegas?
OR
Were there other people in the Desert with them that day? Something went wrong, and that could be why a deception was shown on the lie detection test.

Both situations would clear RT from being responsible for her disappearance but would put him in a situation not to be able to tell everything that really happened that day.

I wonder what an anonymous allegation about Herbalife smuggling drugs 34 years ago has to do with this case?

 

[Micheline]

We don't know that he has done anything.
In the interview I saw, he gets emotional as he is talking about her and seems to stop talking because he is about to cry.

It's a natural reaction to look down or hide your face when one cries, especially when in front of a camera knowing millions of people could be watching.

If he had started openly blubbering and rambling incoherently everyone would probably accuse him of faking it. Imo

I don't think there are any rules how deceptive people have to behave or not behave, there are some general things that most repeat, but no one has to comply with those.

I saw a lying man, and I do believe he loved her.