CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #3

[al66pine]

Sources of Income?

....But theoretically he could have an entirely different perhaps even ‘secretive’ source of income. MOO

^sbm. Just jumping off ^ post and am not saying BT or RT did not have 'secretive source of income.' <<<Possible, but ---

Likely both (ages 69 and 72?) receive monthly Social Security retirement benefits.
Possibly one or both -
- receive monthly pension/annuity/401k payments from former employment
- receive regular income from Individual Retirement A/c's, and have principal too.
- regular income from personal investments in stocks, bonds, mutual funds, CDs, etc. and have principal too.
- receive rent payments for rental properties he/she/they own.
- receive commission from a MLM (Herbalife?), based on current product sales, or from real estate sales?
-receive wages from full or part time employment.
(Have we read that neither of them are currently employed?)

IOW, many potential sources of income that are private/personal, but not necessarily 'secretive' let alone illegal. jmo.

@MizStery
ETA: Wondering how source of income plugs into theories about her disappearance.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

there is a scenario i will not mention again, where robbie helps her disappear.

Would she still be alive in that scenario?

 

[Curiousobserver]

That’s responsible phrasing on LE’s part. Unfortunately, there’s no evidence to suggest that anything happened. (I exaggerate only slightly.)

Afterthought: I mean evidence that we have. I feel quite confident that LE has much more evidence than we know of.

Exactly- There is no public evidence of anything. The only thing we know for sure is that she is not where she is expected to be.

 

[crhedBngr]

there is a scenario i will not mention again, where robbie helps her disappear.

Is it possible BT was terminally ill, and wanted to end her life on her own terms?

A horrible thought, but just throwing it out there.

MVHO.

 

[Sunny Day]

Does anyone else get a strange feeling when RT is asked by Inside Edition if he did anything to his wife and he looked straight at the camera with cold, angry eyes (IMO) and said “Absolutely not.”? For some reason, it gave me the creeps. That kind of denial never seems truthful to me. Again, just my own feelings and I DON’T want to think he did anything to Barbara.

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When he said just come home it reminded me of when CW said almost the same thing when asked about his missing wife and 2 daughters.

 

[cherrymeg]

I've watched the interviews several times and my take on his statement is that he showed derision, IMO. To me at least, he absolutely did not approve of her wearing the bikini and he did not approve of her drinking beer. JMO

Or he wanted to imply she was intoxicated and wearing something skimpy, and that made her the target of a predator. Not him some rando on the road. Is it possible sure but his emphasis on the bathing suit being a reason she might have been kidnapped seems off.

 

[LietKynes]

BBM

LE saying they don't THINK she was abducted is not the same as saying she was NOT abducted.


LE never said she was NOT abducted, they said they THINK she was never abducted. Also there was no evidence found that tells them she was abducted. But that doesn't mean she couldn't have been abducted.

How many times do we need to go over this? I swear some people don't even read what has been posted.

Emph. mine

Well I think we all want her to be found.

I'm much more interested in what LE think or know at this point.
And if this happened to one of my loved ones--- LE would probably get tired of me pestering them with scenarios that I might've already floated to them. Over and over.
It's just that I'd be so worried.

Sorry if my posts came off as repetitive.

 

[cherrymeg]

there is a scenario i will not mention again, where robbie helps her disappear.

Sorry I realize you said you didn't want to continue this but when you say helped disappear do you mean with her consent?

 

[crhedBngr]

Emph. mine

Well I think we all want her to be found.

I'm much more interested in what LE think or know at this point.
And if this happened to one of my loved ones--- LE would probably get tired of me pestering them with scenarios that I might've already floated to them. Over and over.
It's just that I'd be so worried.

Sorry if my posts came off as repetitive.

RBBM

They don't, so don't worry about it.

 

[dbdb11]

*slapping my head* I hadn't even thought about media editing interviews. Years ago I did a telephone interview (set up by my employer) with a large news radio station. When the interview came out, it had been jumbled and rearranged, and some of my answers connected to questions I wasn't asked. I sounded like a complete airhead.

MOO I would like to see the complete, UNEDITED versions of his interviews. How they are edited can change the meaning and tone of the words said.

cant speak for the rest of my family but i am not very trusting of the mainstream news.

its more a barometer these days, of what a few large companies think we should know. thats the case globally. not just my opinion.

my dad is in no condition to speak to news. it had never occured to me personally. her son is eager to speak his mind on the news, so... stay tuned i guess.

barb used to be a cat lady who also had a dog. she went to school for art but dont know if she ever graduated. her art was around her apartment. when she visited us in may 2018 she brought a stick, like driftwood, but from the desert, which she had painted. gave it to my dad. i remember sculptures around her house back before robbie, including one which was a copy she had made of 'the thinker'. it was good and so were her paintings but she implied they were all things she'd made years and years earlier.
i had a pet iguana when i was about five, named iggy. she gave me an awesome painting of him.
I saw her about once a year until I graduated high school pretty much and then i saw her a lot less frequently.
she raised her son on her own and lived near her mum, so had that support out in san diego.
she was tough, not the type of aunt that spoiled you, but warm and quick to smile. her cats would always stay hidden when we would visit but her dogs were always very loving. shes always had at least one dog, and since meeting robbie has transitioned fully into dog person, i feel.
nore recently she collected desert rocks and sticks, kept a rock garden. dabbled from time to time in the art.

she was very excited about trump, not to turn anyone off to her, but was excited for something politically different. tried to sell me on him as the answer to america's problems. we could get into really good political convos, but she is a stubborn woman and rarely if ever do i remember her ceding any of her views. i like talking to ppl like that, and she could get a full head of steam on a topic.

she is a loving lady, loving aunt, loving mother whose son gave her a pretty hard time, though its not for me to share with all of you. i could go on but thats an intro.

these are all personal things. if this site and its users hadn't been so helpful so far, i would never share this information. not to msm for sure. gather most of my side of the family would agree on that.

 

[Jo in Calif]

my dads wife had to teach her how to use the phone we gave her. she used it while she was visiting and left it behind when she left. i have a family plan where i have three extra sims. use one for business phone, one for wireless router (can get internet anywhere, quite useful)...

when friends or family come i usually give them a sim to use while here. for barb my dads wife gave her old cellphone to put sim in.

old lady with cellphone can be entertaining. she jived with it alright.

she insisted on staying in hotel, so we insisted she have a phone.

WE DID NOT WANT HER TO GET LOST.

So her not having a cell phone is her own choice? Not that she has a controlling husband that won't allow her to have one?

 

[Medstudies]

there is a scenario i will not mention again, where robbie helps her disappear.

Hmmm, okay.

But why put all these innocent searchers at risk? People that are putting in tons of hours in god awful conditions? Plus. The lives and well being of the animals. The resources. I suppose there could be a good reason. I don’t know.

Anything is possible.

Best wishes. I hope you get answers.

 

[1&2&3]

What did Barbara and Robbie do during a normal day of not traveling.

*Were they like many retired couples that went everywhere together?
*Did Barbara or Robbie garden or take care of the lawn?
*Did Robbie play golf or have any time with the guys?
*Did Barbara play bridge or have girl time?
*Did they socialize with neighbors or friends?

Who were Barbara and Robbie?

 

[cherrymeg]

cant speak for the rest of my family but i am not very trusting of the mainstream news.

its more a barometer these days, of what a few large companies think we should know. thats the case globally. not just my opinion.

my dad is in no condition to speak to news. it had never occured to me personally. her son is eager to speak his mind on the news, so... stay tuned i guess.

barb used to be a cat lady who also had a dog. she went to school for art but dont know if she ever graduated. her art was around her apartment. when she visited us in may 2018 she brought a stick, like driftwood, but from the desert, which she had painted. gave it to my dad. i remember sculptures around her house back before robbie, including one which was a copy she had made of 'the thinker'. it was good and so were her paintings but she implied they were all things she'd made years and years earlier.
i had a pet iguana when i was about five, named iggy. she gave me an awesome painting of him.
I saw her about once a year until I graduated high school pretty much and then i saw her a lot less frequently.
she raised her son on her own and lived near her mum, so had that support out in san diego.
she was tough, not the type of aunt that spoiled you, but warm and quick to smile. her cats would always stay hidden when we would visit but her dogs were always very loving. shes always had at least one dog, and since meeting robbie has transitioned fully into dog person, i feel.
nore recently she collected desert rocks and sticks, kept a rock garden. dabbled from time to time in the art.

she was very excited about trump, not to turn anyone off to her, but was excited for something politically different. tried to sell me on him as the answer to america's problems. we could get into really good political convos, but she is a stubborn woman and rarely if ever do i remember her ceding any of her views. i like talking to ppl like that, and she could get a full head of steam on a topic.

she is a loving lady, loving aunt, loving mother whose son gave her a pretty hard time, though its not for me to share with all of you. i could go on but thats an intro.

these are all personal things. if this site and its users hadn't been so helpful so far, i would never share this information. not to msm for sure. gather most of my side of the family would agree on that.

She sounds amazing. Thank you for sharing that.

 

[crhedBngr]

cant speak for the rest of my family but i am not very trusting of the mainstream news.

its more a barometer these days, of what a few large companies think we should know. thats the case globally. not just my opinion.

my dad is in no condition to speak to news. it had never occured to me personally. her son is eager to speak his mind on the news, so... stay tuned i guess.

barb used to be a cat lady who also had a dog. she went to school for art but dont know if she ever graduated. her art was around her apartment. when she visited us in may 2018 she brought a stick, like driftwood, but from the desert, which she had painted. gave it to my dad. i remember sculptures around her house back before robbie, including one which was a copy she had made of 'the thinker'. it was good and so were her paintings but she implied they were all things she'd made years and years earlier.
i had a pet iguana when i was about five, named iggy. she gave me an awesome painting of him.
I saw her about once a year until I graduated high school pretty much and then i saw her a lot less frequently.
she raised her son on her own and lived near her mum, so had that support out in san diego.
she was tough, not the type of aunt that spoiled you, but warm and quick to smile. her cats would always stay hidden when we would visit but her dogs were always very loving. shes always had at least one dog, and since meeting robbie has transitioned fully into dog person, i feel.
nore recently she collected desert rocks and sticks, kept a rock garden. dabbled from time to time in the art.

she was very excited about trump, not to turn anyone off to her, but was excited for something politically different. tried to sell me on him as the answer to america's problems. we could get into really good political convos, but she is a stubborn woman and rarely if ever do i remember her ceding any of her views. i like talking to ppl like that, and she could get a full head of steam on a topic.

she is a loving lady, loving aunt, loving mother whose son gave her a pretty hard time, though its not for me to share with all of you. i could go on but thats an intro.

these are all personal things. if this site and its users hadn't been so helpful so far, i would never share this information. not to msm for sure. gather most of my side of the family would agree on that.

She sounds like a lot of fun; an open-minded and strong woman.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[10ofRods]

I keep reading that dogs have a hard time finding scent in the desert and in hot conditions. At any rate, dogs often don't find a trail.

I don't think LE searched the truck or the trailer, since even if RT said yes, if they suspected criminal activity, they are better off getting a warrant. I don't think it's typical for LE to search (without warrant) the vehicle in a case like this.

Right now, I'd expect LE to use the information they have (extensive, multi-day search with no body; questionable polygraph for RT) to ask a judge for cell phone warrant and perhaps vehicle warrant as well. Maybe even a warrant for the home. I believe a judge would readily grant the cell phone warrant (and may have already done so). If RT is not named a POI in the next week, I'll assume that his phone records back up his story. I am guessing that this is going to have to be done with cooperation between the two states (AZ and CA) and don't know how that works with regard to a search warrant.

While I was believing of RT's story at first, I do not believe it's possible that Barbara merely collapsed somewhere near the trail(s) they were on and wasn't found. They searched the rock crags (as if she would climb up there in hiking boots and mostly bare skin). They had climbers searching every crag and they searched all the rock shelter/cave like areas nearby. Not many mine shafts right there, she'd have had to walk miles.

Did she walk miles? If they did have a tiff and she stormed off, then RT is exceptionally remiss in not revealing this. He basically signed her death warrant if he put his pride and privacy above her life. If it were me and I was pissed at husband, I'd have gone to RV, gotten key, and started A/C. Literally, to cool off and think about what to do next. But it's possible she initially missed the quickest way back to RV. But she would have hit the road area no matter which way she stormed (he says she was walking toward the road - was he lying?)

Not easy to dig a grave out there. Next to impossible, I'd say. Not easy to dig at all, and certainly not deep enough to bury a body so that it would be unfindable.

The times are a bit off. The verified family member stated on Thread 1 (I believe it was) that RT told them that "by noon" it was getting hot and he hadn't seen her, so he became worried. He called 911 at 3:26.

RT did not mention that he honked the horn, only that he shouted and waved his arms and then checked shady places.

Hiding the key under "a rock" was a very bad idea. First, if you examine the pull out at the coordinates given in the 911 call, there are no suitable rocks right in the pull out (and even had there been, all it would take is another vehicle using or pulling through that area to mess that up). So they had to do this in the scrub near the RV. Many people have a hard time finding the same rock again, in the desert. So that was dumb and she may have been unable to get into the RV (if she was ever there).

The evidence inside that trailer would have been invaluable, but at the time LE arrived, they had no reason to suspect criminal activity (IMO).

I hope this case doesn't drop through the interstate cracks. LE can treat this as "Barbara is out there somewhere, unfound, no evidence of foul play" or they can dig into RT's whereabouts for the period in between when family talked to Barb and her reported disappearance. I am now very skeptical about the red cap photo (which, apparently, was taken earlier - did he simply hope that by stating she was wearing the exact same top and cap that he could use it to establish that she was there - because I think that's exactly what happened, LE and searchers used that as a recent reference photo, unlikely they took his phone immediately for forensic investigation).

Then, RT decides to go with an abduction theory. I think it's far more likely she voluntarily got into a car, having failed to get into the RV and being pissed off (I know I would be exceptionally irritated if DH decided to put key under rock and then I couldn't find it and I was hot, needing to pee, and dehydrated). Vacations are very stressful, couples often fight.

But...if she got in a car voluntarily, she'd be back in contact with worried family members.

I'm leaning toward "she was never there," sadly. Really awful to type those words.

 

[wary]

cant speak for the rest of my family but i am not very trusting of the mainstream news.

its more a barometer these days, of what a few large companies think we should know. thats the case globally. not just my opinion.

my dad is in no condition to speak to news. it had never occured to me personally. her son is eager to speak his mind on the news, so... stay tuned i guess.

barb used to be a cat lady who also had a dog. she went to school for art but dont know if she ever graduated. her art was around her apartment. when she visited us in may 2018 she brought a stick, like driftwood, but from the desert, which she had painted. gave it to my dad. i remember sculptures around her house back before robbie, including one which was a copy she had made of 'the thinker'. it was good and so were her paintings but she implied they were all things she'd made years and years earlier.
i had a pet iguana when i was about five, named iggy. she gave me an awesome painting of him.
I saw her about once a year until I graduated high school pretty much and then i saw her a lot less frequently.
she raised her son on her own and lived near her mum, so had that support out in san diego.
she was tough, not the type of aunt that spoiled you, but warm and quick to smile. her cats would always stay hidden when we would visit but her dogs were always very loving. shes always had at least one dog, and since meeting robbie has transitioned fully into dog person, i feel.
nore recently she collected desert rocks and sticks, kept a rock garden. dabbled from time to time in the art.

she was very excited about trump, not to turn anyone off to her, but was excited for something politically different. tried to sell me on him as the answer to america's problems. we could get into really good political convos, but she is a stubborn woman and rarely if ever do i remember her ceding any of her views. i like talking to ppl like that, and she could get a full head of steam on a topic.

she is a loving lady, loving aunt, loving mother whose son gave her a pretty hard time, though its not for me to share with all of you. i could go on but thats an intro.

these are all personal things. if this site and its users hadn't been so helpful so far, i would never share this information. not to msm for sure. gather most of my side of the family would agree on that.

What a lovely and loving description of her. Thank you.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

cant speak for the rest of my family but i am not very trusting of the mainstream news.

its more a barometer these days, of what a few large companies think we should know. thats the case globally. not just my opinion.

my dad is in no condition to speak to news. it had never occured to me personally. her son is eager to speak his mind on the news, so... stay tuned i guess.

barb used to be a cat lady who also had a dog. she went to school for art but dont know if she ever graduated. her art was around her apartment. when she visited us in may 2018 she brought a stick, like driftwood, but from the desert, which she had painted. gave it to my dad. i remember sculptures around her house back before robbie, including one which was a copy she had made of 'the thinker'. it was good and so were her paintings but she implied they were all things she'd made years and years earlier.
i had a pet iguana when i was about five, named iggy. she gave me an awesome painting of him.
I saw her about once a year until I graduated high school pretty much and then i saw her a lot less frequently.
she raised her son on her own and lived near her mum, so had that support out in san diego.
she was tough, not the type of aunt that spoiled you, but warm and quick to smile. her cats would always stay hidden when we would visit but her dogs were always very loving. shes always had at least one dog, and since meeting robbie has transitioned fully into dog person, i feel.
nore recently she collected desert rocks and sticks, kept a rock garden. dabbled from time to time in the art.

she was very excited about trump, not to turn anyone off to her, but was excited for something politically different. tried to sell me on him as the answer to america's problems. we could get into really good political convos, but she is a stubborn woman and rarely if ever do i remember her ceding any of her views. i like talking to ppl like that, and she could get a full head of steam on a topic.

she is a loving lady, loving aunt, loving mother whose son gave her a pretty hard time, though its not for me to share with all of you. i could go on but thats an intro.

these are all personal things. if this site and its users hadn't been so helpful so far, i would never share this information. not to msm for sure. gather most of my side of the family would agree on that.

@dbdb11
Thank you very much for sharing some of your personal thoughts of Barb with us.
I really, really hope she is found safe.

 

[Joe Friday]

Sorry if my posts came off as repetitive.

Your posts are not repetitive. Sorry.

Seeing all the continuing posts saying LE said she was NOT abducted and correcting those that have their facts jumbled when they are say she must not have been in the desert or she must still be in desert because LE said she was NOT abducted or abduction has been ruled out, is.

 

[Micheline]

Question to all, where do you think Barbara is?