CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #4

[Reasonable & Just]

But why on TV?
Rambling scenarios to LE to point away from any suspicion they may have towards your OK, but since the viewers weren't even aware of this case, whats the use of going on TV telling you are the prime suspect and what not when you are the perpetrator?

If you have a reason to think it may become public that you failed the polygraph, I imagine you would want to get the reason out ahead of time. He stated that he hadn't slept all night when he told us he failed it.

A person (not RT in particular) may also just want to get a message out to someone they can no longer talk to while under scrutiny (like an affair partner) to reassure them that if the police tell them about the polygraph, that this is why it failed. It could be a way to appear above board, either to the public or to someone else.

People are complicated. And ETA - someone who actually is above board might do this just as well as someone who isn't.

 

[tcfpne]

Yes most people who kill their spouse, think they are smart enough to outwit LE , and amazing how many think they can put on a convincing performance on TV.
I believe if she was anywhere remotely near where he claims, she would have been found by the dogs.

Considering the time frame, the dogs should have found something, someone mentioned that the desert heat severely impedes search dogs, but just how fast would the trail dissapear, a few minutes, a few hours?

 

[CSIDreamer]

Seems strange to me, that you have brand new rv/truck, yet you pull off in an undeveloped area to camp rather than finding an established campground?? talk about rolling the dice. I still think there was some dispute, perhaps on going, between the couple. the failed poly is very telling for me.

Considering the number of people that boondock at Walmart . . .

 

[wary]

Yes most people who kill their spouse, think they are smart enough to outwit LE , and amazing how many think they can put on a convincing performance on TV.
I believe if she was anywhere remotely near where he claims, she would have been found by the dogs.

That’s a faith in dogs that is contradicted by what has happened in many many cases. Dogs fail for many many reasons. Here, the most likely reason would be the dry summer heat.

MOO

 

[Stripehaven]

Note that not one of the fatal mountain lion attacks documented in California between March 1986 and September 2014 occurred in San Bernardino County.

Verified Mountain Lion-Human Attacks (1986-2014)

I haven’t read all the link or lynx but... mountain lions in the desert[\i]?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Thinking. A few new ideas have come to mind.

My thought process started with this: what if the claim of "kidnapped and taken to Vegas" is intended to make sense once she is found?

That led to thinking of various scenarios.

Maybe, standard spousal foul play for whatever reasons, she was killed and her body dumped along 95 or I-15 that morning. Once found it would appear to validate the supposed kidnapping claim due to being located on the way toward Vegas, as if the kidnapper killed her.

Or, an alternative that includes her still being alive -- maybe it's a fraud the two of them are perpetrating together -- she's hiding out in some rinkydink motel or wandering the streets of Vegas pretending to have amnesia, waiting to be "found".

Why might they do this? Money is always an appealing motivator, although no crowdfunding seems to be underway that we know of, so maybe that's not it. Publicity? To have a wild story to tell? Something else?

Sadly I think the first option is much more likely than the second. But we want her to be alive, so we have to stretch for anything that might make that seem possible.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Well...Yes, We Have Deer (and Mountain Lions) in the Mojave Desert

 

[Kapua]

I haven’t read all the link or lynx but... mountain lions in the desert?

Rare day-hunting desert mountain lions.

 

[tcfpne]

Thinking. A few new ideas have come to mind.

My thought process started with this: what if the claim of "kidnapped and taken to Vegas" is intended to make sense once she is found?

That led to thinking of various scenarios.

Maybe, standard spousal foul play for whatever reasons, she was killed and her body dumped along 95 or I-15 that morning. Once found it would appear to validate the supposed kidnapping claim due to being located on the way toward Vegas, as if the kidnapper killed her.

Or, an alternative that includes her still being alive -- maybe it's a fraud the two of them are perpetrating together -- she's hiding out in some rinkydink motel or wandering the streets of Vegas pretending to have amnesia, waiting to be "found".

Why might they do this? Money is always an appealing motivator, although no crowdfunding seems to be underway that we know of, so maybe that's not it. Publicity? To have a wild story to tell? Something else?

Sadly I think the first option is much more likely than the second. But we want her to be alive, so we have to stretch for anything that might make that seem possible.

The thing about money is that RT seems to be doing good financially? So I'm not really sure there tbh.

If she is found dead near or around Vegas then I'd consider RT the main culprit, because that seems awfully specific. Maybe he shouldn't have proposed that theory

 

[Liwthe]

I wonder why Robbie's previous wives don't speak up and say he would never hurt anyone, etc. just to put people's suspicions aside. I have seen this on other cases, where the previous wives have spoken up.

Because hopefully they’re not aware of this website, and the best forum for that, if he is ever declared under suspicion (other than in the court of the public and media), would be in an actual court. During his trial. If he ends up there, if they didn’t die from disease or disaster (remember he’s a senior), and if they do think he was a good husband.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Because hopefully they’re not aware of this website, and the best forum for that, if he is ever declared under suspicion (other than in the court of the public and media), would be in an actual court. During his trial. If he ends up there, if they didn’t die from disease or disaster (remember he’s a senior), and if they do think he was a good husband.

And ex-wife's rarely want anything to do with an EX.
They moved on, they have a life, who needs the drama?!

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[al66pine]

Parking in Pullout vs Campground?

Seems strange to me, that you have brand new rv/truck, yet you pull off in an undeveloped area to camp rather than finding an established campground?? talk about rolling the dice. I still think there was some dispute, perhaps on going, between the couple. the failed poly is very telling for me.

@Handsome Sailor {{{"You new in town?" j/k. Bet you saw that coming from a mille away.}}}
My impression from LE or VI* is that RT drove pickup & 5th wheel onto highway shoulder/pull-out, so he & BT could take a walk/hike. Same as a fam on a car trip.

I do not recall reading his/their plan was to stay there overnight. He/they may have planned to continue driving to estab'd campground or planned to overnight on blacktop (usu, business parking lots). Some ppl like big rigs like this because they are 'self contained' - kitchen, potty, shower, beds, a/c, etc. No need to limit their stays to estab'd campgrounds, no need to pay C/G fees every night. Some RV'ers would not consider parking unoccupied truck & RV for a few hours on shoulder 'as rolling the dice.'

I could be all wrong. jmo.
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* Regardless of my possible source - LE or VI - ultimately, source of stmt re plans was RT. And it's possible RT told LE one thing - 'just a walk to see rocks & plants' and told VI's fam member another - 'we planned to spend the night there.'

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Yeah I thought that if an abduction took place, whoever it was knew that RT was well-off financially and would eventually contact him for ransom. But too much time passed for potential abductors to contact RT (As in, if it was an abduction, they would've contacted already). Maybe they decided it wasn't worth it with all the police attention.

I think adult abductions for ransom would be extremely rare in the US. Does anyone have statistics on that? Are there any ‘kidnappings for ransom’ cases on Websleuths?

There was one case near me, where the millionaire husband paid two men to kidnap his wife. I would think that would be rare as well.

 

[Liwthe]

I think adult abductions for ransom would be extremely rare in the US. Does anyone have statistics on that? Are there any ‘kidnappings for ransom’ cases on Websleuths?

There was one case near me, where the millionaire husband paid two men to kidnap his wife. I would think that would be rare as well.

No ransom was ever suggested by anyone, RT, LE, the media other than the VI. The VI said it was a fictional story that they imagined up. I don’t know why it’s being discussed. No ransom was ever asked for that we know about.

In the same post the VI also postulated that BT was murdered because she knew something that RT didn’t want her sharing on her trip to Hong Kong.

 

[muddlehead]

You know one thing I hadn’t thought of... what does an RV key like that look like? Like a single house key? I certainly wouldn’t put my car key under a rock- too expensive.

Also, when I posted the pic of the turnout I saw NO ROCKS! And one strategically placed near the door of the camper would surely be suspicious to a possible thief.

Edited: added clarifying words

(I'm 24 hours late. Probably discussed already. I'm catching up 14 pages to go.) Dang. That's a great question. If it was truly under a rock, and not between rocks, which it can't be cause it's not flat, should have some desert sand/dust/residue on it. Colombo would have solved the case with that angle. Bravo.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

No ransom was ever suggested by anyone, RT, LE, the media other than the VI. The VI said it was a fictional story that they imagined up. I don’t know why it’s being discussed. No ransom was ever asked for that we know about.

I know that no one has asked for ransom. Abduction for ransom is being speculated upon like many other theories. That’s what we do.

I was just trying to point out ‘in a nice way’ that I think it would be rare.

I don’t think we should criticize what others choose to discuss. Scroll and roll.

 

[kay74]

Because hopefully they’re not aware of this website, and the best forum for that, if he is ever declared under suspicion (other than in the court of the public and media), would be in an actual court. During his trial. If he ends up there, if they didn’t die from disease or disaster (remember he’s a senior), and if they do think he was a good husband.

Huh? This case has been on all the national news sites. I'm sure his wives have seen this and the posts about the case. Just sometimes ex-wives speak up.

 

[tcfpne]

No ransom was ever suggested by anyone, RT, LE, the media other than the VI. The VI said it was a fictional story that they imagined up. I don’t know why it’s being discussed. No ransom was ever asked for that we know about.

In the same post the VI also postulated that BT was murdered because she knew something that RT didn’t want her sharing on her trip to Hong Kong.

Its been discussed because I brought it up again, my bad really. I'm saying that its just another theory crossed off the list. As in kidnappers would've showed up to ask for money, and they didn't so its not a thing.

Like a list of things that probably didn't happen in regards to BT
-Its not a ransom kidnapping
-Its not an animal attack (I think)
-etc...?

 

[Liwthe]

(I'm 24 hours late. Probably discussed already. I'm catching up 14 pages to go.) Dang. That's a great question. If it was truly under a rock, and not between rocks, which it can't be cause it's not flat, should have some desert sand/dust/residue on it. Colombo would have solved the case with that angle. Bravo.

Can you explain why you feel the key is related to BT’s disappearance? I’m really finding discussions on how different people stash their keys (or if they do or don’t) confounding.

 

[Liwthe]

Huh? This case has been on all the national news sites. I'm sure his wives have seen this and the posts about the case. Just sometimes ex-wives speak up.

What’s to defend? He hasn’t been named a person of interest, and the LE have not said they’ve found evidence of foul play.

Now I’m younger than RT, and use the internet a lot and I had never heard of websleuths until recently. It’s likely they don’t know it exists. I think by now RT and his family knows because we have a VI here and they’ve said they know family is reading. That doesn’t mean ex-wives that may or may not be alive anymore or may have had multiple marriages themselves and may have been totally disconnected from RT for decades would be aware of it.