CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #4

[MassGuy]

Yes!

I will start making a pest of myself tomorrow morning, lol. Thank you for assembling all the contact information for us. MOO

#TEAMBARBARA

Oh boy. These poor people don’t know what they’re in for.

Hopefully you get some responses!

 

[mjp1228]

I have asked this before but have not seen it adequately addressed. Someone PLEASE answer or ask least discuss:
>> How many drinks did Barb have that day?
>> What were her drinking habits?

And two more questions for good measure:
>> How much (if nay) did RT drink that day?
>> What were RT drinking habits?

Can someone PLEASE discuss these points. Thank you in advance.

Maybe the reason no one is answering or discussing your questions is the fact that none of us know. I haven’t seen any of these answered in MSM or by the VI, so what would be the point of speculating on them?

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe the reason no one is answering or discussing your questions is the fact that none of us know. I haven’t seen any of these answered in MSM or by the VI, so what would be the point of speculating on them?

Ha! We’d kill for that level of detail.

It’s rare to have a case like this where we know so damn little.

Frustrating.

 

[kkdj]

Speaking of alcohol, some people under the influence can be quick to anger. And if both were under the influence (not saying they were, just speculating) an argument could get pretty hairy.

 

[kkdj]

Just throwing out something else for thought. Is it possible Barbara had a stalker? Stalkers can be pretty cagey with how they stalk.
I don't really think this is what happened but it's another possibility.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

https://sardrones.org/2019/08/01/missing-person-in-mojave-desert/

– Last seen July 12, 2pm, Mojave desert, near the intersection of Kelbaker Rd and Hidden Hill Rd, north of I-40.
– The location is 6.3 miles north of the I-40 in a large turnout that can accommodate a Dually and 5th Wheel.

The area in which BT was last-seen (by RT) might be a "remote location" (LE's description), but it sports a "large turnout" which large vehicles/5th wheel combos may use to turn around. In fact, there are quite a few turnouts along the relevant roads. I suspect we wouldn't see so many turnouts if that area was rarely traveled or wasn't a somewhat-popular go-to location.

This Google Maps image from 2008 shows a vehicle traveling in the area the same time a Google Mapping Vehicle was driving through, photographing the area... the point being, remote area, yes; but may be well-traveled.

Do we know how far BT and RT were from the road(s) the moment BT "turned the corner"? Were they close enough for RT to hear 'traffic noise' if a vehicle would approach/drive by? Given the moderately flat nature of the terrain I'd expect at least some noise from approaching/drive-by vehicles.

Are any parts of the road(s) visible, either immediate/near-by or at some distance from where RT was taking those last photos?

Would BT have not screamed had someone attempted to abduct her? Would RT have not heard such a scream? Of course, if BT was attacked/silenced before she could vocalize loudly then this point would be moot.


This is a stretch... what if BT encountered dry quicksand?

Dry quicksand - Wikipedia

Dry Quicksand

It isn't a likely scenario but anything might be possible at this point.

 

[MsBetsy]

<modsnip - quoted a removed post>
Well, we can only sleuth people who have been named suspects by LE.
We can speculate, but it has to be based on facts or evidence that has been reported in MSM.

 

[wary]

bbm

https://sardrones.org/2019/08/01/missing-person-in-mojave-desert/

The area in which BT was last-seen (by RT) might be a "remote location" (LE's description), but it sports a "large turnout" which large vehicles/5th wheel combos may use to turn around. In fact, there are quite a few turnouts along the relevant roads. I suspect we wouldn't see so many turnouts if that area was rarely traveled or wasn't a somewhat-popular go-to location.

This Google Maps image from 2008 shows a vehicle traveling in the area the same time a Google Mapping Vehicle was driving through, photographing the area... the point being, remote area, yes; but may be well-traveled.

Do we know how far BT and RT were from the road(s) the moment BT "turned the corner"? Were they close enough for RT to hear 'traffic noise' if a vehicle would approach/drive by? Given the moderately flat nature of the terrain I'd expect at least some noise from approaching/drive-by vehicles.

Are any parts of the road(s) visible, either immediate/near-by or at some distance from where RT was taking those last photos?

Would BT have not screamed had someone attempted to abduct her? Would RT have not heard such a scream? Of course, if BT was attacked/silenced before she could vocalize loudly then this point would be moot.


This is a stretch... what if BT encountered dry quicksand?

Dry quicksand - Wikipedia

Dry Quicksand

It isn't a likely scenario but anything might be possible at this point.

Interesting points, and thanks for bringing up the fascinating concept of dry quicksand. But if there were any, wouldn’t they have lost some dogs, or even searchers? More seriously, the pictures of the land in the area that I’ve seen look like hard-ground desert, not sand desert.

 

[coastal]

No ransom was ever suggested by anyone, RT, LE, the media other than the VI. The VI said it was a fictional story that they imagined up. I don’t know why it’s being discussed. No ransom was ever asked for that we know about.

In the same post the VI also postulated that BT was murdered because she knew something that RT didn’t want her sharing on her trip to Hong Kong.

I wonder if somebody is looking into things like financials and life insurance policies. Barbara's family should initiate this, IMO. LE's hands may be tied here, as I don't think they can actually investigate her disappearance without some evidence of a crime, which is missing in Barbara's case. From their perspective, Ms. Barbara is free to disappear at will. Clearly, she is endangered, and that is enough reason to search for her. But I don't think there is much else they can do. MOO

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Interesting points, and thanks for bringing up the fascinating concept of dry quicksand. But if there were any, wouldn’t they have lost some dogs, or even searchers? More seriously, the pictures of the land in the area that I’ve seen look like hard-ground desert, not sand desert.

Yes, it appears to be "hard-ground" desert but...

Kelso Dunes - Wikipedia

Kelso Dunes, also known as the Kelso Dune Field, is the largest field of aeolian sand deposits in the Mojave Desert. The region is protected by the Mojave National Preserveand is located near the town of Baker, San Bernardino County, California, and the Preserve Visitor Center.[1] The dune field covers 45 square miles (120 km2) and includes migrating dunes, vegetation-stabilized dunes, sand sheets, and sand ramps. The tallest dunes rise up to 650 feet (200 m) above the surrounding terrain.

 

[MsFacetious]

I think RT is legally her next of kin. So I don't think Barbs other family can do much at all in that area.

 

[crhedBngr]

Are you aware of something they or he may have been involved in that he would not want anyone to know?

I'm going to pose this thought/question again: Did Barbara have terminal health issues that anyone knew about??

 

[crhedBngr]

Seems strange to me, that you have brand new rv/truck, yet you pull off in an undeveloped area to camp rather than finding an established campground?? talk about rolling the dice. I still think there was some dispute, perhaps on going, between the couple. the failed poly is very telling for me.

RBBM

We only have RT's word that he failed the polygraph. I don't believe this fact has been verified by LE.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

I don't think anyone expected Elizabeth Smart to have still been alive when she was recovered.

Elizabeth Smart wasn't "recovered", she was "rescued".

 

[kkdj]

RBBM

We only have RT's word that he failed the polygraph. I don't believe this fact has been verified by LE.

I've thought the same. Of course, LE isn't going to tell us.
Is there a reason RT would tell the public his test was deceptive? What was his motive for that?

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

has not been confirmed that picture is from the day. imo it is not.

as for your other questions...

my guess: barbara may have been held in an area not far, maybe vegas, or maybe the exact opposite direction, from where she was abducted. they probably took her to some safehouse, where they may have given her a change of clothes. its probably hot and they barely feed her. but she is alive. her kidnappers may have been awaiting payment, after all i doubt they would have any personal grudge against barb. just money in it for them, but when payday comes... nothing.

just the man on the news saying he hopes they release her, somewhere she can make contact, and the man assures them he will not press charges... but she might have seen their faces, they think. 'wtf kind of backwards deal is that?!' they might shout at the screen, as they try to decide what theyre going to do with the old woman locked in the back room.

just my own speculations. a fictional narrative i made to fit the story told by the man who brought her to the middle of the desert where she disappeared without a trace. a man we all know she loved, a man who may very well be heart broken himself.

what did barbara know that made her upcoming trip unacceptable?

"unacceptable" to whom?

 

[Micheline]

-respectfully snipped by me-

The point is, many actual murderers have gone on TV and told falsehoods about the disappearance of their loved ones, either because they were caught off guard by a news crew showing up at their door, encouraged by LE to do so, or really thought they were smooth operators. We are just speculating here.

OK, but did they make claims that their missing loved ones of respectable ages were possibly kidnapped and taken to Las Vegas because of wearing a bikini?

I know that sometimes murderers go on TV and even participate in searches.
But for someone to make a claim that isn't realistic to anyone except for the person who is very much in love with the missing person, makes him believable.

 

[crhedBngr]

I've thought the same. Of course, LE isn't going to tell us.
Is there a reason RT would tell the public his test was deceptive? What was his motive for that?

One thing I can think of, offhand, is he's covering for someone else. Trying to deflect any investigation of this unknown person who actually caused BT harm. FWIW, I don't believe this is the case.

Or, he's doing a Chris Watts (flip, glib with answers).

JMVHO.

 

[kkdj]

If LE had told me I failed a PT I think I would hire a private tester to ask me poignant questions and see how it turns out. (providing I wasn't lying to in my original PT)

 

[Micheline]

I've thought the same. Of course, LE isn't going to tell us.
Is there a reason RT would tell the public his test was deceptive? What was his motive for that?

IMO He was just sharing his thoughts and what he had experienced at that point. No motive there.