CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

[whoizzit]

There's something not right with him. Seems like he's the type who like women who kiss on their tip-toes

I’m sure I’ll be sorry for asking, but HUH?

 

[gsleuth]

Perspective...

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/bt-missing-png.198045/
Interesting.

edit to add ChuckMaureen's link

 

[Deleted member 39678]

SBBM
Yes.

Double side-eye judgment if she’d have ‘disappeared’ while you were in the AC!

What does double-eye judgement mean?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

no!
just because someone is elderly they still have the right to their freedom of choices.
I bet she had no regrets about what she did.

There was no stopping her, I'm talking about my inaction.

 

[Kapua]

It's very dangerous, there is no room for error or accident. A twisted ankle may mean death by thirst. Plus, it's a recipe for terrible skin issues later in life. I advise everyone to only visit these areas during fall or winter.

I advise people to visit Sequoia National Park if they want to see one of the most unique and beautiful places in my home state. I don't get this desert thing. But that's me. MOO

 

[Lilibet]

rsbm

I’d think even if he didn’t ask for help... you’d think he would have plenty family around him to ENCOURAGE him to do something. Personally even if I was a relative of RT’s and NOT doing something I would feel bad and feel like I would appear guilty. There would be nothing that would keep me from doing all I could even if my own dad/brother/uncle/grandpa etc wasn’t.

I would expect that these family members would volunteer to:
1. Start the Facebook page
2. Camp out at his house while he scoured Vegas
3. Be the family spokesperson
4. Call volunteer search orgs and beg for help
5. Heck they could even get the Atty to hold a press conference, offering reward or begging for tips. (I’d say Maleah Davis’s mom might not have been able to afford help but somehow she was in news and had a mouthpiece every day)
6. I bet these family members could even do a podcast or video the way Makenzie Lueck’s friends did.
7. If I had “friends in high places” I’d be calling on them for help and exposure.
8. Plan prayer vigils of which media would likely cover.
9. Start a go fund me if that was a minute problem.
10. I’d visit anywhere she normally went to see if anyone had leads. Stores, church, gym, bingo, hair, nails, vet, etc. (just guessing)
11. I’d make a banner and plaster it to the side of my rv and drive all around Vegas.
12. Hound any and all journalists i could find.

But. As you said. Cricketssss

BBM

Exactly. I would love to know if this kind of help has been offered and what the response was.

 

[k-mac]

What does double-eye judgement mean?

they pulling your leg ranch

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I’m sure I’ll be sorry for asking, but HUH?

I've never heard that expression before. Maybe it means a shorter person who has to go on their tip-toes?

 

[whoizzit]

What does double-eye judgement mean?

Side-eye.

Double the normal amnt of scrutiny/stink-eye/side-eye given to disappearances in questionable or unusual circumstances.

That which I am applying in BT’s situation.

Was kidding about your momma. Mostly.

 

[Handsome Sailor]

I advise people to visit Sequoia National Park if they want to see one of the most unique and beautiful places in my home state. I don't get this desert thing. But that's me. MOO

Yes, Kapua, Sequoia is enchanting. Of course, I'm sure you've explored the trails over on the windward side of Oahu. As for me, just spent a week in the Great Smokies. Nothing like being woken up at midnight by the VERY loud, VERY deep growl of a nearby bear. I love the outdoors, even the deserts, but timing is everything!

 

[wary]

Pardon me, but I believe your estimates of time and speed are off for the average person.

IMHO, BT and RT may have been very active for early seventies, but I don’t think they could do a mile in twenty minutes as stated above. They were not speed walkers, they were admiring the sights. They had no reason to be in a hurry as they had reached their destination for the day.

If we take RT’s sentences apart where words and their connotations raise an eyebrow, it points in a firm path that the story we have been told is made up. JMO.

MOO

I think that a 20 minute mile is far from speedwalking. I’d expect someone 69 to be able to manage that pace easily, if she was reasonably fit for her age, and didn’t have joint problems. Also, I believe we’re calculating her pace from the time she left RT. At that point, according to RT’s story, she had a destination—the RV—no reason to think that she’d be loitering and admiring the sights, at that point.

MOO

 

[gsleuth]

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This ain't rocket science.

It's Logic 101.

Basic deductive reasoning skills tell us that the overwhelming odds here are that BT was likely never in that location that day.

JMO.

Your posts confirm you have good deductive reasoning skills.

 

[k-mac]

I’m sure I’ll be sorry for asking, but HUH?

I've never heard that expression before. Maybe it means a shorter person who has to go on their tip-toes?

I think..... could be wrong!...
it means the little woman should be seen and not heard kinda scenario.
she should look pretty and play the appropriate part.
lean up to her man and kiss him on her toes like a danty lady.
he makes all the decisions on her behalf......etc etc.

misogyny elements and undertones.

moo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Side-eye.

Double the normal amnt of scrutiny/stink-eye/side-eye given to disappearances in questionable or unusual circumstances.

That which I am applying in BT’s situation.

Was kidding about your momma. Mostly.

Thanks.

 

[GordianKnot]

I think..... could be wrong!...
it means the little woman should be seen and not heard kinda scenario.
she should look pretty and play the appropriate part.
lean up to her man and kiss him on her toes like a danty lady.
he makes all the decisions on her behalf......etc etc.

misogyny elements and undertones.

moo

Ohhh, okay.

Gotcha'..that makes sense.

Alternatively, I was thinking maybe the poster was referring to ballerinas.

They stand a lot on their tiptoes, too.

JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think..... could be wrong!...
it means the little woman should be seen and not heard kinda scenario.
she should look pretty and play the appropriate part.
lean up to her man and kiss him on her toes like a danty lady.
he makes all the decisions on her behalf......etc etc.

misogyny elements and undertones.

moo

That does make sense, Thanks.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Pardon me, but I believe your estimates of time and speed are off for the average person.

IMHO, BT and RT may have been very active for early seventies, but I don’t think they could do a mile in twenty minutes as stated above. They were not speed walkers, they were admiring the sights. They had no reason to be in a hurry as they had reached their destination for the day.

If we take RT’s sentences apart where words and their connotations raise an eyebrow, it points in a firm path that the story we have been told is made up. JMO.

I'm confident that my estimates are reasonable, factoring for not just their age but their fitness level. I'm open to seeing any statistics you have showing otherwise, but in the meantime I'll agree to disagree about average walking speed for healthy/active people. (though I do agree with your assessment of his story overall).

However I'm very interested in your sentence that I've bolded. How do we know this? I had thought the opposite, that they were supposedly headed out for a few days of camping somewhere and that this stop was a spontaneous exploration stop, after which they would continue on with their trip.

MOO

 

[gsleuth]

There's just nothing whatsoever to support her ever having been there, except the word of a man who went on national tv and told the world he flunked his polygraph and he was the prime suspect. This, despite the fact that LE has never said there was a crime being investigated.

I keep looking to what LE has and hasn't said r/t BT's disappearance for some guidance.
It may be helpful for us to focus solely on what LE is and isn't telling us.
I've been reviewing everything we have and haven't gotten from LE's corner.

Here's what we have:
Husband of missing 69-year-old hiker says police consider him a suspect

• Statements re: No evidence that BT was abducted (directly refuting RB's theory)
• Statements re: Not a single trace of BT having been found.
• Statement that LE is "unaware" of how long RT and BT were separated before she disappeared.
• Statement that LE "doesn't know" how far BT was from the RV at the time they became separated.

One logical explanation for the first 3 bullet points would be that BT was never at that location.

There is NO logical explanation for the last 2 bolded bullet points...if one assumes LE believes RT's version of events is true, at least.

The last 2 bullet points do make perfect sense if one assumes LE does not believe RT's account of what happened that day.
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Then, there's this intriguing shift in LE's language, and the equally intriguing timing of it:
July 22nd - The investigation continues into the whereabouts of missing person Barbara Thomas from SBSD - Colorado River Sheriffs Department : Nixle

Through July 16th, LE's language is that there had been "no sightings" of BT.

RT gives his interview to Inside Edition on July 17th, gives his bikini and beer explanation for her disappearance, and oh, yeah, LE told him his polygraph showed he was being deceptive, but not to worry, on account of he "knows they aren't 100%" and he "hadn't slept the night before."

On the 17th and 18th, LE doesn't include their usual sentence r/t there being "no sightings" of BT in their daily update.

Then, on July 19th, the language from LE changes from "no sightings" of BT to, "no evidence of Barbara" being found in that desert.

Also noting: July 15th is the last date that LE includes the statement that "Barbara was last seen in the area of Kelbaker/Hidden Hills near the 1-40."

After that, LE merely states that they're searching in that area.

They do NOT state that it's the area where she "was last seen" in any updates after July 15.


The timing of their introduction of the word "evidence" into the status of their search is interesting, as is their dropping of the language after July 15th that she was "last seen" there.
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We also have this more recently from LE:
https://www.wlfi.com/content/news/Lafayette-mans-mother-still-missing-after-hiking-
in-the-Mojave-Desert-with-husband-524401511.html
RSABBM:
Sgt. Allison with the San Bernardino's County Sheriff's Department said they exhausted all resources looking for the 69-year-old.

"We utilized department-wide resources which includes search and rescue," said Allison. "We have hundreds of volunteers across the county that volunteer specifically for search and rescue."

Helicopters and tracking K-9's were also used in the search, but it wasn't enough.

The sheriff's department stopped looking for Barbara Thomas July 22nd. They're pursuing other leads
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I absolutely read this as LE stating they conducted a comprehensive search and satisfied themselves that she is not out there.

Why would LE go on the record with the statement that they are "pursuing other leads" if they believed she had gone lost in that location?

Rhetorical question.

I'm just pulling all these loosely-knit threads from LE, and to me, it's all leading to a rather obvious conclusion.

One which, unfortunately, we can't fully explore or discuss here.

I'm having to content myself with ongoing and spirited discussions with my main man, William of Occam.

William's thoughts fall entirely outside of WS TOS, so he's informed me that it's probably best that doesn't join our group right now.

I explained to him that's perfectly fine, because we don't need him to tell us what we already know, anyway.
Besides, he charges really outrageous consultation fees.
Dude's like a total scam artist.


Oh wow..thanks for bringing this to attention.

• Statement that LE is "unaware" of how long RT and BT were separated before she disappeared.
• Statement that LE "doesn't know" how far BT was from the RV at the time they became separated.

JMO.

 

[wary]

However I'm very interesting in your sentence that I've bolded. How do we know this? I had thought the opposite, that they were supposedly headed out for a few days of camping somewhere and that this stop was a spontaneous exploration stop, after which they would continue on with their trip.

<snipped by me>

You’re right—although we’ve never heard what their supposed destination was, we’ve only heard that this stop was a spontaneous exploration stop.

MOO

 

[whoizzit]

Thanks.

You bet!

Take care of your mom