CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

[Deleted member 39678]

You bet!

Take care of your mom

I'm trying. She's 86 now and just had breast cancer surgery on Thursday.

Prayers are welcome.

 

[Handsome Sailor]

Was this the end chapter in some obscure and final warfare? we are overwhelmed by too much unusable information

 

[gsleuth]

I think..... could be wrong!...
it means the little woman should be seen and not heard kinda scenario.
she should look pretty and play the appropriate part.
lean up to her man and kiss him on her toes like a danty lady.
he makes all the decisions on her behalf......etc etc.

misogyny elements and undertones.

moo

Ahhhh chauvinism

 

[Lilibet]

I'm trying. She's 86 now and just had breast cancer surgery on Thursday.

Prayers are welcome.

OT—Prayers for sure. And hoping for a speedy recovery.

 

[crhedBngr]

I'm trying. She's 86 now and just had breast cancer surgery on Thursday.

Prayers are welcome.

Heavy-duty prayers. I'm a fellow survivor, and I wish her nothing but the best.
May she swiftly heal.

 

[Handsome Sailor]

I'm trying. She's 86 now and just had breast cancer surgery on Thursday.

Prayers are welcome.

prayers delivered!

 

[al66pine]

Repeating a Polygraph Test?
Copying my post:
"If test results indicate deception on first test, IDK if there's reason to think the results would be different on a second or subsequent test, w the same questions. jmo

I think it's possible to get different results from a second polygraph because at a later date the person being tested may be in a different state of mind than right after a traumatic event....

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@RANCH Thanks for your post. ^snipped for focus.
Good point about the subject possibly being in a different state of mind during 2nd test. A point I did not think of.
Passage of time - say, months or years - might make a difference too, as subject might think he has skated scott free, so less stress.
But as test measures the subject's physiological stress, seems if same questions are used, he is likely to react w some stress 2nd time around. Maybe not enough for tester to conclude 'deception.' Just a possibility and I've never seen any research on it.

 

[gsleuth]

Was this the end chapter in some obscure and final warfare? we are overwhelmed by too much unusable information

IMO What is required is an investigater working with the family.

 

[Handsome Sailor]

I would think the cops already know if she was out there at all. i.e. lack or presence of footprints, tracking dogs, I think the money situation needs a look-see. that would be one plausible motive. that shiny new truck and rv - they're clean machines. Expensive. Money, honey. RT The world is my playground type, and the woman must always wear fresh lipstick...all my opinions, the product of a hundred disordered and prowling thoughts

 

[10ofRods]

Are you saying that the fifth wheel trailer was never out in the desert or that RT washed evidence off of the exterior of it?

And you learned this fact by watching Inside Edition on your TV.

I am saying it that either it stuck to paved roads most of the time OR it was washed.

 

[Micheline]

I’d think even if he didn’t ask for help... you’d think he would have plenty family around him to ENCOURAGE him to do something. Personally even if I was a relative of RT’s and NOT doing something I would feel bad and feel like I would appear guilty. There would be nothing that would keep me from doing all I could even if my own dad/brother/uncle/grandpa etc wasn’t.

I would expect that these family members would volunteer to:
1. Start the Facebook page
2. Camp out at his house while he scoured Vegas
3. Be the family spokesperson
4. Call volunteer search orgs and beg for help
5. Heck they could even get the Atty to hold a press conference, offering reward or begging for tips. (I’d say Maleah Davis’s mom might not have been able to afford help but somehow she was in news and had a mouthpiece every day)
6. I bet these family members could even do a podcast or video the way Makenzie Lueck’s friends did.
7. If I had “friends in high places” I’d be calling on them for help and exposure.
8. Plan prayer vigils of which media would likely cover.
9. Start a go fund me if that was a minute problem.
10. I’d visit anywhere she normally went to see if anyone had leads. Stores, church, gym, bingo, hair, nails, vet, etc. (just guessing)
11. I’d make a banner and plaster it to the side of my rv and drive all around Vegas.
12. Hound any and all journalists i could find.

But. As you said. Cricketssss

Barbara's nephew and son both have expressed fear, for themselves and other relatives.

Yet RT is not supposed to be fearful? This distraught 72 yo man is supposed to stroll around with missing posters, knocking on every door and hound journalists, while younger relatives have reasons to fear for their own lives and others?

 

[gsleuth]

• Statements re: Not a single trace of BT having been found.
• Statement that LE is "unaware" of how long RT and BT were separated before she disappeared.
• Statement that LE "doesn't know" how far BT was from the RV at the time they became separated.

One logical explanation for the first 3 bullet points would be that BT was never at that location.

There is NO logical explanation for the last 2 bolded bullet points...if one assumes LE believes RT's version of events is true, at least.

The last 2 bullet points do make perfect sense if one assumes LE does not believe RT's account of what happened that day.
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Then, there's this intriguing shift in LE's language, and the equally intriguing timing of it:
July 22nd - The investigation continues into the whereabouts of missing person Barbara Thomas from SBSD - Colorado River Sheriffs Department : Nixle

Through July 16th, LE's language is that there had been "no sightings" of BT.

RT gives his interview to Inside Edition on July 17th, gives his bikini and beer explanation for her disappearance, and oh, yeah, LE told him his polygraph showed he was being deceptive, but not to worry, on account of he "knows they aren't 100%" and he "hadn't slept the night before."

On the 17th and 18th, LE doesn't include their usual sentence r/t there being "no sightings" of BT in their daily update.

Then, on July 19th, the language from LE changes from "no sightings" of BT to, "no evidence of Barbara" being found in that desert.

Also noting: July 15th is the last date that LE includes the statement that "Barbara was last seen in the area of Kelbaker/Hidden Hills near the 1-40."

After that, LE merely states that they're searching in that area.

They do NOT state that it's the area where she "was last seen" in any updates after July 15.


The timing of their introduction of the word "evidence" into the status of their search is interesting, as is their dropping of the language after July 15th that she was "last seen" there.
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We also have this more recently from LE:
https://www.wlfi.com/content/news/Lafayette-mans-mother-still-missing-after-hiking-
in-the-Mojave-Desert-with-husband-524401511.html
RSABBM:
Sgt. Allison with the San Bernardino's County Sheriff's Department said they exhausted all resources looking for the 69-year-old.

"We utilized department-wide resources which includes search and rescue," said Allison. "We have hundreds of volunteers across the county that volunteer specifically for search and rescue."

Helicopters and tracking K-9's were also used in the search, but it wasn't enough.

The sheriff's department stopped looking for Barbara Thomas July 22nd. They're pursuing other leads
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I absolutely read this as LE stating they conducted a comprehensive search and satisfied themselves that she is not out there.

Why would LE go on the record with the statement that they are "pursuing other leads" if they believed she had gone lost in that location?


Snipped for attention. Thanks to GordianKnot

 

[Micheline]

Sincere question:

If you honestly believed your spouse had been abducted and taken to Vegas, what would your actions be?

What would that look like, in terms of your visible response?

Here's what it would look like with me:

If I thought my spouse had been taken against their will to Vegas, I'd be camped out in Vegas. I'd be enlisting other family members and friends to go to Vegas, too.

I'd be out knocking on doors. Asking businesses to review surveillance footage.
Posting missing flyers, trying desperately to get interviewed by MSM outlets, offering rewards for information, etc.

I'd be calling LE multiple times a day, requesting/demanding updates on case progress and what/where they were searching. If they didn't take my calls, I'd go down to the station in person and insist upon speaking with the lead detective. I wouldn't leave until I had, either.

I'd also hire a PI. If money was an issue, I'd crowdfund it or whatever else I needed to do.

I'd be frantic, but I'd be focused. My focus would be on finding my spouse.
I'd eat, sleep, and breathe with that single focus.

I could go on. But I won't. On account I feel like the point has been made.

JMO.

A reasonable person would not run around frantically, knocking on doors, doing daily interviews, putting up posters etc, hereby putting pressure on already very suspicious and alert kidnappers.
Instead, one should do everything to forecom them flipping and harming their loved one or worse. LE would advice against this too.

 

[dbdb11]

Yep.

You saying that triggered a thought that hadn't occurred to me before now:

If your wife went missing, and she had an adult son, would you or would you not contact her son on the off-chance that she may have gotten in touch with him somehow since then or maybe even communicated something to him prior to her going missing about her planning to leave?

I'm wondering if when RT first contacted db's family after she went missing whether or not he asked them if any of them had heard from her.

JMO.

he never asked. ...

 

[lolafaith]

he never asked. ...

Says a lot!

Information gathering, and finding out anything you can about a 'disappeared' 'missing' person's mind set etc is pretty important. Wouldn't anyone ask friends and family a ton of questions including the above.

I am not on the fence and I believe in the 'no smoke without fire' scenario, it's just about finding out and digging deep enough to see what RT's involvement in the situation is.

Is there a possibility of a private investigator being hired?

 

[dbdb11]

I'm trying. She's 86 now and just had breast cancer surgery on Thursday.

Prayers are welcome.

prayers to your strong willed and able bodied mother!

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

• Statements re: Not a single trace of BT having been found.
• Statement that LE is "unaware" of how long RT and BT were separated before she disappeared.
• Statement that LE "doesn't know" how far BT was from the RV at the time they became separated.

One logical explanation for the first 3 bullet points would be that BT was never at that location.

There is NO logical explanation for the last 2 bolded bullet points...if one assumes LE believes RT's version of events is true, at least.

The last 2 bullet points do make perfect sense if one assumes LE does not believe RT's account of what happened that day.
_____________________________

Then, there's this intriguing shift in LE's language, and the equally intriguing timing of it:
July 22nd - The investigation continues into the whereabouts of missing person Barbara Thomas from SBSD - Colorado River Sheriffs Department : Nixle

Through July 16th, LE's language is that there had been "no sightings" of BT.

RT gives his interview to Inside Edition on July 17th, gives his bikini and beer explanation for her disappearance, and oh, yeah, LE told him his polygraph showed he was being deceptive, but not to worry, on account of he "knows they aren't 100%" and he "hadn't slept the night before."

On the 17th and 18th, LE doesn't include their usual sentence r/t there being "no sightings" of BT in their daily update.

Then, on July 19th, the language from LE changes from "no sightings" of BT to, "no evidence of Barbara" being found in that desert.

Also noting: July 15th is the last date that LE includes the statement that "Barbara was last seen in the area of Kelbaker/Hidden Hills near the 1-40."

After that, LE merely states that they're searching in that area.

They do NOT state that it's the area where she "was last seen" in any updates after July 15.


The timing of their introduction of the word "evidence" into the status of their search is interesting, as is their dropping of the language after July 15th that she was "last seen" there.
________________________________
We also have this more recently from LE:
https://www.wlfi.com/content/news/Lafayette-mans-mother-still-missing-after-hiking-
in-the-Mojave-Desert-with-husband-524401511.html
RSABBM:
Sgt. Allison with the San Bernardino's County Sheriff's Department said they exhausted all resources looking for the 69-year-old.

"We utilized department-wide resources which includes search and rescue," said Allison. "We have hundreds of volunteers across the county that volunteer specifically for search and rescue."

Helicopters and tracking K-9's were also used in the search, but it wasn't enough.

The sheriff's department stopped looking for Barbara Thomas July 22nd. They're pursuing other leads
____________________________

I absolutely read this as LE stating they conducted a comprehensive search and satisfied themselves that she is not out there.

Why would LE go on the record with the statement that they are "pursuing other leads" if they believed she had gone lost in that location?


Snipped for attention. Thanks to GordianKnot

They may be researching the “Kidnapped” scenario.

 

[Micheline]

Going by what RT said here.

He saw BT till she took a corner, she was around 7 minutes ahead.
Him being behind a rockformation would have been shielded from any visual and audio of what happened to BT at the other side of the rockformation.

Then when he started walking, for example 2 minutes later after putting his camera away, maybe drinking some water, there would have been 9 minutes in between them, him still being shielded from sound and vision till he turned that corner himself, around 7 minutes later (or longer).

If Barbara walked more fast than him, she could be at that point 11 minutes away from him, all the way to the RV.
If the road she had to cross was at a 6 minute walking distance, Robert therefor could never have seen a car, or anything going on there with BT.

This also means if BT was hit by a car, that the driver did not see or hear a soul in the entire area, and might have taken her.

Maybe she was wearing jewelry, maybe someone was trying to steal their car or break into the trailer, if so, Robert would not have seen or heard a thing, nor would a perpetrator have seen or heard Robert, and may indeed have taken BT.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me.

I understand the helping to find Barbara part but what does not helping him mean in regards to my post?

It seemed to me as if you were saying he couldn’t do more to help find her.

Yes, that's a trend I'm finding on this thread.

I found it unbelievable that my 81 year old mother would insist on walking across the London Bridge in Lake Havasu City when it was 112 degrees a few years ago.

That was the temp at 12:00 PM. It got up to 124 degrees that day, by far the hottest I've experienced in my life.

ETA. We were driving a 2001 Ford Taurus and I didn't want to drive across the Mojave in 120 plus degree temps so we stopped at Lake Havasu City at noon.

Old posts seem to indicate this was common for both of them. They are comfortable in the desert.
I’m thinking we’re saying taking a hike at high noon wasn’t the issue any longer, but how she “disappeared.” With no evidence found. Ok. Each piece can be explained away. Too hot for dogs. Beer can in abductor’s car. Her cap stayed in her head. But with each plausible explanation, the odds are looking worse. 1:100 times 3-4 scenarios means the odds are getting worse. Wonder what if anything, the bookies in Vegas are giving for her odds of survival?

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Maybe there's no money for a PR person.

I've seen posts that say RT should sell this or that to post a big reward.

Does anybody know if those things are paid for? For all we know they are upside down on the house, truck and RV and selling them would gain nothing.

The ideas based on zero facts on this thread amaze me.

Hell for all we know they are in such financial straights that it could be a motive for murder. JMO

We’re all tossing around ideas. Even you stated for all we know they are in such financial straights that it could be a motive for murder. There are zero facts to support they are broke. To the contrary, it appears they are stable financially. BUT, it could very well be that they’re broke, especially after some high dollar purchases. MOO.