CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #9

[Nikynoo]

Even if VI's sister may have missed some of the info when she relayed RT's phonecall to our verified insider, I highly doubt it wouldn't have been since remembered and mentioned, if these other details were part of the activities. imo.

If you look at the post provided by the VI - there are very few details....

CA - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, Bullhead City, hiking wearing bikini in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019

 

[10ofRods]

I've asked LE's PI that question and got no response. I also asked 3 different reporters (but not the one who recently wrote the AZ article) to ask that question of LE. No response.

I actually wrote back and forth with one young reporter to try and help him understand how to ask the question (he lives near the Needles substation).

I personally now believe that LE has a reason not to speak about the photos at all. Either it's because they really don't know (which would be awful and terribly disappointing) or it's because the case is in limbo between Missing Person and Criminal. I really don't know.

The Daily Mail reporter obviously just grabbed the pic from AP and captioned it (which is true of nearly every story that covered this case).

Leah P (the one who did the interview at RT's house) doesn't usually do stories of this type, but it's great she did what she did.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm wondering whether we could ask the reporter to ask that question to LE? e.g. Can you please confirm that this is a photo taken of BT on the day she went missing?

If my relative disappeared like this, and there was a photograph being circulated of said person which was taken just prior to disappearing, I would sure want to know so I could treasure that photo as the last photo taken of her. It is not reasonable for police to hold back such information from our verified insider, if that were the case here. imo.

 

[10ofRods]

Media love to lead people to think things, but it is not the same as police stating that a photo was taken only hours before a person's disappearance. If one existed it would be very valuable as it would show exactly what she looked like at the time and exactly what she was wearing, and would also be proof of life at the time of the photo.

Yes, I'm well aware. We've been discussing this same point for almost 2 months. No new info. No word as to when that photo was taken. Just the constant use of it by MSM to illustrate the case (but AFAIK, only 2 reporters who actually set foot in the Mojave and possibly zero who talked directly to LE; this is not about local reporting - as there are very few of those reporters left; this was a case that got interest because of that picture).

She just happens to be described by LE as wearing very nearly or exactly the same thing and standing very nearly where RT says they were that day. No word, ever, as to when the picture was actually taken. Remember, though, that the VI was personally assured by LE that they have pictures from that day.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Even if VI's sister may have missed some of the info when she relayed RT's phonecall to our verified insider, I highly doubt it wouldn't have been since remembered and mentioned, if these other details were part of the activities. imo.

And we just cannot take creative license with information provided by a VI. Adding or subtracting from their information doesn't help a bit.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Yes, I'm well aware. We've been discussing this same point for almost 2 months. No new info. No word as to when that photo was taken. Just the constant use of it by MSM to illustrate the case (but AFAIK, only 2 reporters who actually set foot in the Mojave and possibly zero who talked directly to LE; this is not about local reporting - as there are very few of those reporters left; this was a case that got interest because of that picture).

She just happens to be described by LE as wearing very nearly or exactly the same thing and standing very nearly where RT says they were that day. No word, ever, as to when the picture was actually taken. Remember, though, that the VI was personally assured by LE that they have pictures from that day.

So why not make it plain to our VI that picture was taken that day if that's the case? I get a sense of beating around the cholla. JMO.

 

[deugirtni]

If you look at the post provided by the VI - there are very few details....

CA - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, Bullhead City, hiking wearing bikini in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019

I have to disagree:

-wearing a red cap, bikini
-carrying a travel cup with beer in it
-they lost sight of each other
-5-10 minutes later, RT realized BT had 'vanished'
-RT went back to the RV to see if she had returned
-it was still locked, which told him she had not yet come back
-they had put a key under a specific rock known to each of them
-RT went back into the desert to check a shaded cave they had earlier found together, but she wasn't there either
-he still wasn't worried at that point
-he continued searching for her, but around noon it was getting terribly hot, which worried him, so he called 911
-it took police 2 hours to arrive
-police searched for her
-throughout the rest of the day there were sniffer dogs, horses and hundreds of people, even a helicopter
-helicopter couldn't use its infrared function because of the heat of the desert
-nobody could find any trace of her
-police searched through the night too and still nothing
-RT agrees it makes no sense that if she just got lost, no evidence was found of her having been there
-this led him to suspect she may have been picked up by a car
-from where BT went missing, she had to cross a highway to get back to the RV
-BT took a 360 picture in the morning from the top of a hill, which photo included a parking lot with vehicles parked
-LE is looking into the license plates visible in that picture
-RT isn't going to press charges against the person who abducted her, he just wants her returned
-RT was composed while saying all of that, until this point, when he broke down a bit
-a tv station had reached out to RT
-RT has done some interviews since he wanted to get the word out, but he hadn't read any of the news clips or comments, as it was too much for him
-RT keeps returning to the spot where he lost BT, overturning rocks and searching for any sign of her
-he'd been there again on the day of this phonecall
-he said he shouldn't go back because he knew he was the first to be suspected as having involvement
-RT was held for 5 hours in a police cruiser on day#1
-nobody is sleeping
-he held off on calling BT's brother because he was hoping she'd have been found, but realized he couldn't wait any longer
-he said it's difficult for him to call China and his calls rarely go through, so asked that the family call him instead should they have questions or want to talk more
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Seems like a fair bit of info, imho.

 

[GordianKnot]

If you look at the post provided by the VI - there are very few details....

CA - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, Bullhead City, hiking wearing bikini in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019

Snipped for focus from our VI, @dbdb11 's linked post above:

they lost sight of each other for 5-10 minutes before she “vanished” and he went back to their rv to see if she had returned but it was still locked so that meant she hadn’t come back yet (they had put the key under a rock which they both knew the location of). so he went back to check a shaded cave that they had found together earlier thinking she may have been taking a break from the heat but she wasn’t there either. he still wasn’t worried at this point because.. i don’t remember why he said he wasn’t yet worried. maybe because they both knew the area? or this was a regular thing? idk not sure but he continued searching for her on his own. by around noon time it was getting terribly hot so he started getting worried and called 911. police arrived like 2 hours later and searched for her.
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Sounds to me like we can put to bed any suggestion whatsoever that they had a (fictitious, imaginary) lunch there in the desert and took multiple pictures of themselves enjoying said (fictitious, imaginary) lunch.

Per RT's version to db's sister, RT was already searching for BT well before noon, since he says that "by around noon time' it was getting hot and only then did he become worried and call 911.

Unless they ate lunch at like, 10 in the morning, we can absolutely rule out lunch before the walk.

Never mind the fact that this timeline RT gave to BT's family members completely conflicts with the official time of the 911 call, which is an entirely different kettle of fish altogether.

JMO.

 

[Nikynoo]

I have to disagree:

-wearing a red cap, bikini
-carrying a travel cup with beer in it
-they lost sight of each other
-5-10 minutes later, RT realized BT had 'vanished'
-RT went back to the RV to see if she had returned
-it was still locked, which told him she had not yet come back
-they had put a key under a specific rock known to each of them
-RT went back into the desert to check a shaded cave they had earlier found together, but she wasn't there either
-he still wasn't worried at that point
-he continued searching for her, but around noon it was getting terribly hot, which worried him, so he called 911
-it took police 2 hours to arrive
-police searched for her
-throughout the rest of the day there were sniffer dogs, horses and hundreds of people, even a helicopter
-helicopter couldn't use its infrared function because of the heat of the desert
-nobody could find any trace of her
-police searched through the night too and still nothing
-RT agrees it makes no sense that if she just got lost, no evidence was found of her having been there
-this led him to suspect she may have been picked up by a car
-from where BT went missing, she had to cross a highway to get back to the RV
-BT took a 360 picture in the morning from the top of a hill, which photo included a parking lot with vehicles parked
-LE is looking into the license plates visible in that picture
-RT isn't going to press charges against the person who abducted her, he just wants her returned
-RT was composed while saying all of that, until this point, when he broke down a bit
-a tv station had reached out to RT
-RT has done some interviews since he wanted to get the word out, but he hadn't read any of the news clips or comments, as it was too much for him
-RT keeps returning to the spot where he lost BT, overturning rocks and searching for any sign of her
-he'd been there again on the day of this phonecall
-he said he shouldn't go back because he knew he was the first to be suspected as having involvement
-RT was held for 5 hours in a police cruiser on day#1
-nobody is sleeping
-he held off on calling BT's brother because he was hoping she'd have been found, but realized he couldn't wait any longer
-he said it's difficult for him to call China and his calls rarely go through, so asked that the family call him instead should they have questions or want to talk more
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Seems like a fair bit of info, imho.

but not very much chronological information, what time they left, where they stopped off (e,g, it doesn;t mention the stop at the gas station). So, some information is missing from what was relayed from the sister to the VI. Other things *could* be missing also.

 

[Nikynoo]

Snipped for focus from our VI, @dbdb11 's linked post above:

they lost sight of each other for 5-10 minutes before she “vanished” and he went back to their rv to see if she had returned but it was still locked so that meant she hadn’t come back yet (they had put the key under a rock which they both knew the location of). so he went back to check a shaded cave that they had found together earlier thinking she may have been taking a break from the heat but she wasn’t there either. he still wasn’t worried at this point because.. i don’t remember why he said he wasn’t yet worried. maybe because they both knew the area? or this was a regular thing? idk not sure but he continued searching for her on his own. by around noon time it was getting terribly hot so he started getting worried and called 911. police arrived like 2 hours later and searched for her.
_________________________________

Sounds to me like we can put to bed any suggestion whatsoever that they had a (fictitious, imaginary) lunch there and took multiple pictures of themselves enjoying said (fictitious, imaginary) lunch.

Per RT's version to db's sister, RT was already searching for BT well before noon, since he says that "by around noon time' it was getting hot and only then did he start getting worried and call 911.

Unless they ate lunch at like, 10 in the morning, I think we can absolutely rule out lunch before the walk.

Never mind the fact that this timeline completely conflicts with the official time of the 911 call, which is an entirely different kettle of fish altogether.

JMO.

so, does that mean we can forget about the imaginary photo taken at 2pm also?

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, I'm well aware. We've been discussing this same point for almost 2 months. No new info. No word as to when that photo was taken. Just the constant use of it by MSM to illustrate the case (but AFAIK, only 2 reporters who actually set foot in the Mojave and possibly zero who talked directly to LE; this is not about local reporting - as there are very few of those reporters left; this was a case that got interest because of that picture).

She just happens to be described by LE as wearing very nearly or exactly the same thing and standing very nearly where RT says they were that day. No word, ever, as to when the picture was actually taken. Remember, though, that the VI was personally assured by LE that they have pictures from that day.

Maybe there is a reason for that (the bolded part above).

Surely LE will share those last photos of BT with her grieving family? Why would they not share them with them? That just doesn't sound reasonable or likely at all. I wonder what is up with that. imo.

 

[Nikynoo]

Maybe there is a reason for that (the bolded part above).

Surely LE will share those last photos of BT with her grieving family? Why would they not share them with them? That just doesn't sound reasonable or likely at all. I wonder what is up with that. imo.

I agree to a certain extent, BUT, the IP lawyer in me says that they are not LE's photos to share.....

 

[deugirtni]

but not very much chronological information, what time they left, where they stopped off (e,g, it doesn;t mention the stop at the gas station). So, some information is missing from what was relayed from the sister to the VI. Other things *could* be missing also.

Perhaps missing from the original text, which is understandable, but NOT totally missing forever and completely forgotten about. There was also more than one person listening apparently? I'm sure the family has hashed this out a billion times amongst themselves, as would any family of a MP. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

I agree to a certain extent, BUT, the IP lawyer in me says that they are not LE's photos to share.....

All that would be needed would be permission from RT. If that was not obtainable, then we'd have to seriously wonder what is going on here. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

so, does that mean we can forget about the imaginary photo taken at 2pm also?

What are you talking about?

 

[Nikynoo]

All that would be needed would be permission from RT. If that was not obtainable, then we'd have to seriously wonder what is going on here. imo.

If I was RT and I was being accused by family, no, I would not share, especially as those photos would probably be shared and pulled apart and used against me. I think if I was RT (who is deemed a victim in our TOS), I would feel betrayed by family.

 

[GordianKnot]

so, does that mean we can forget about the imaginary photo taken at 2pm also?

In a word: Yes.

I want to see an MSM link or an LE statement that they have a photo of BT that was taken at 2 pm that day.

Barring that, I don't accept a 2 pm photo as an established fact in this case.

JMO.

 

[deugirtni]

but not very much chronological information, what time they left, where they stopped off (e,g, it doesn;t mention the stop at the gas station). So, some information is missing from what was relayed from the sister to the VI. Other things *could* be missing also.

Was our VI's family told about the stop at the gas station? (if not, WHY not?)

 

[GordianKnot]

All that would be needed would be permission from RT. If that was not obtainable, then we'd have to seriously wonder what is going on here. imo.

BBM:

Current status: Seriously wondering.

 

[deugirtni]

If I was RT and I was being accused by family, no, I would not share, especially as those photos would probably be shared and pulled apart and used against me. I think if I was RT (who is deemed a victim in our TOS), I would feel betrayed by family.

If I was RT, I would have to put myself in the family's shoes to understand how it might look, and I would want to be as open and honest and sharing as possible, and I would want to be involved in the family discussions about the possibilities of what could have happened to her. Even if I ended up being totally hurt, I don't think I could ever NOT share with her family the last photos taken of her.