CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #9

[Leney]

Exactly. I think Barb wore similar clothing when she hiked, and that photo was put out to represent what people should be looking for.

If that photo was from that day, then why not come out and say that?

This would be so simple if we had any indication that Barb was there, when her husband said she was.

We don’t though.

We have the word of a lone individual, who for some reason, was administered a polygraph.

It’s not hard to read between the lines.

BBM

If RT spent over 5 hours in a sheriff's vehicle, there is no way he was able to get a picture out in time to make a publications deadline.
This is only one of a few reasons I believe the picture released is from that day.

 

[MassGuy]

BBM

If RT spent over 5 hours in a sheriff's vehicle, there is no way he was able to get a picture out in time to make a publications deadline.
This is only one of a few reasons I believe the picture released is from that day.

Cameras and phones hold lots of photos. Assuming that’s how he produced the photo for law enforcement, then those 5 hours are irrelevant.

“Here’s one.”

Doesn’t mean it was taken that day.

 

[Leney]

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I don't see any reason for this specific 911 call to be withheld, unless they are investigating this case as criminal. JMO

SBM

Some family members have made allegations against RT. For that reason alone the 911 call would not be released.

 

[katydid23]

I couldn't remember at first, either. But there's the neighbor's surveillance video, taken after the run to the dog kennel, apparently showing the two of them getting into their truck and leaving around 8:15.

It was a Friday morning in July, probably lots of RV's out on I-40 that morning, good chance traffic was a bit slower than usual. But unless they stopped somewhere besides for ice, it sure seems that 11 am to 11:15 am would be a late arrival date.

What then? That's the big mystery.

So he did say, I believe, that they took that 360 vista photo 'that morning.' So they had to do that close to an 11 am arrival, if it was to happen before noon.

 

[Leney]

Cameras and phones hold lots of photos. Assuming that’s how he produced the photo for law enforcement, then those 5 hours are irrelevant.

“Here’s one.”

Doesn’t mean it was taken that day.

How would he have produced it while answering questions from LE ?
I suspect that SBCSO had the phone/camera from pretty much the moment they arrived.
How old does one believe this particular photo is ? 1 yr ? 2 yrs ? 5 yrs ? 10 yrs ?

I believe we will have to agree to disagree on this particular point

 

[MassGuy]

How would he have produced it while answering questions from LE ?
I suspect that SBCSO had the phone/camera from pretty much the moment they arrived.
How old does one believe this particular photo is ? 1 yr ? 2 yrs ? 5 yrs ? 10 yrs ?

I believe we will have to agree to disagree on this particular point

Hmmm.

Officers: Do you have a recent picture of your wife?

RT: Yes, right here on my camera/phone.

You do realize that “produced” in the context I said it, doesn’t mean taken right?

 

[darring21]

Exactly. I think Barb wore similar clothing when she hiked, and that photo was put out to represent what people should be looking for.

If that photo was from that day, then why not come out and say that?

This would be so simple if we had any indication that Barb was there, when her husband said she was.

We don’t though.

We have the word of a lone individual, who for some reason, was administered a polygraph.

It’s not hard to read between the lines.

The VI also said the detective said there were photos of her there on the camera. I'm not sure why LE would feel the need to tell anyone if the picture is from that day. It just happens to fit the outfit she was wearing and either is from the day or is a great representation of what she looked like on that day. Wasn't that the point of them releasing the picture?

 

[bronbaby]

I believe not only are there pictures of her but remnants of their lunch. (plates, glasses,utensils).

hi @Leney, do you have a reference point of it being common knowledge this is the case? why would someone take a photo of left-overs from lunch

 

[Nikynoo]

hi @Leney, do you have a reference point of it being common knowledge this is the case? why would someone take a photo of left-overs from lunch

I dont think that is what she is saying. There are photos and there was evidence that they had eaten (presumably in the RV).

 

[Cherwell]

hi @Leney, do you have a reference point of it being common knowledge this is the case? why would someone take a photo of left-overs from lunch

No one said it was "common knowledge". I think it's fair to speculate that photos may have been taken after lunch, perhaps of the brand-new RV parked in the desert.

 

[bronbaby]

No one said it was "common knowledge". I think it's fair to speculate that photos may have been taken after lunch, perhaps of the brand-new RV parked in the desert.

i wouldn't take photos of utensils and left over food.
each to their own i guess
if these photos were taken, as it was assumed by the poster, i was simply asking where would one find that reference

 

[Cherwell]

i wouldn't take photos of utensils and left over food.
each to their own i guess
if these photos were taken, as it was assumed by the poster, i was simply asking where would one find that reference

That's not what I said. "Utensils and left over food" would not be the subject of the photo.

I am picturing them having lunch outside with table and chairs under the awning. Then perhaps photos might have been taken of the scene, with one or other of them sitting outside the RV, raising a glass. A lot of people would take a photo like that, it's just capturing a moment. And we have seen, courtesy of the VI, that they are in the habit of taking photos on such trips.

 

[bronbaby]

That's not what I said. "Utensils and left over food" would not be the subject of the photo.

I am picturing them having lunch outside with table and chairs under the awning. Then perhaps photos might have been taken of the scene, with one or other of them sitting outside the RV, raising a glass. A lot of people would take a photo like that, it's just capturing a moment. And we have seen, courtesy of the VI, that they are in the habit of taking photos on such trips.

that makes sense, thank you.

 

[10ofRods]

I agree that cooler temps are one consideration but I think the bigger factor is that information has to develop from the investigation that identifies a specific search area. The Mojave is a big place! MOO

My thought is that they either have the GPS from his phone or they do not (he turned off location services, which of course is highly suspicious). I think they have the GPS (and probably google maps and probably meta-data from all the pictures he took). We know he had a phone with him.

I also think they've had time to get the GPS from the truck (which should exist, given the truck's year, but I'm no truck expert).

They've had plenty of time to figure out exactly where he stopped along the way, if he had location services on.

So, from my point of view, they've had that information for quite some time. It either leads somewhere or it doesn't. If it does, if Barbara could be at a different spot, then it's now time to give a look. Weather is no longer an excuse, this weekend or this next week, to put it off.

I think they probably had much of this information during the 9-10 days of the search, which doesn't make me hopeful that there will be searches in any other places...

 

[rosesfromangels]

My thought is that they either have the GPS from his phone or they do not (he turned off location services, which of course is highly suspicious). I think they have the GPS (and probably google maps and probably meta-data from all the pictures he took). We know he had a phone with him.

I also think they've had time to get the GPS from the truck (which should exist, given the truck's year, but I'm no truck expert).

They've had plenty of time to figure out exactly where he stopped along the way, if he had location services on.

So, from my point of view, they've had that information for quite some time. It either leads somewhere or it doesn't. If it does, if Barbara could be at a different spot, then it's now time to give a look. Weather is no longer an excuse, this weekend or this next week, to put it off.

I think they probably had much of this information during the 9-10 days of the search, which doesn't make me hopeful that there will be searches in any other places...

Yes...
Unless someone has deep experience working with a Carrier, (like AT&T, etc), it is highly unlikely they would know how to trick the various tracking forensics. There is a clear trail of breadcrumbs, albeit it takes a sophisticated tech team to pull all those pieces together. If the FBI is involved in that analysis, subterfuge would be unsuccessful, IMO. I don’t see the players involved here capable of that.

I think what we see at face value, is.
Of course this is amateur opinion and speculation, and time will tell.

 

[deugirtni]

That's not what I said. "Utensils and left over food" would not be the subject of the photo.

I am picturing them having lunch outside with table and chairs under the awning. Then perhaps photos might have been taken of the scene, with one or other of them sitting outside the RV, raising a glass. A lot of people would take a photo like that, it's just capturing a moment. And we have seen, courtesy of the VI, that they are in the habit of taking photos on such trips.

Why would they be having lunch when they had left their house at 8:15am and simply stopped there along the way to a further camping destination, to take a look at some rock formations? If the couple had lunch, to me, that would suggest they had gone on their walk, returned to the RV, had lunch, and THEN she disappeared? imo.

 

[Seattle1]

During so many weekends this summer, I'd find myself thinking Barbara should be enjoying this beautiful weather today. As we approach autumn, I'm so sorry for her family and friends that they still don't know where she is.

#TeamBarbara

 

[MassGuy]

Yes...
Unless someone has deep experience working with a Carrier, (like AT&T, etc), it is highly unlikely they would know how to trick the various tracking forensics. There is a clear trail of breadcrumbs, albeit it takes a sophisticated tech team to pull all those pieces together. If the FBI is involved in that analysis, subterfuge would be unsuccessful, IMO. I don’t see the players involved here capable of that.

I think what we see at face value, is.
Of course this is amateur opinion and speculation, and time will tell.

It’s not about “tricking,” as much as it’s about muddying the waters.

If he didn’t have location data turned on, then law enforcement would have to go by phone triangulation from cell towers.

That’s problematic, especially in that general area (towers far apart/terrain issues).

 

[Stripehaven]

So he did say, I believe, that they took that 360 vista photo 'that morning.' So they had to do that close to an 11 am arrival, if it was to happen before noon.

I wonder if it’s obvious that Barbara actually took it? The only think that would seem to prove it is if RT is in the photo. But even then he could have taken it himself using a timer.

 

[MsBetsy]

I dont think that is what she is saying. There are photos and there was evidence that they had eaten (presumably in the RV).

Oh, really? I didn't realize that there was evidence that they had eaten lunch.
I assumed they did, especially if they were drinking beer, but I never knew there was any mention of it in MSM.
Or was it mentioned by the VI?