CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #9

[Nikynoo]

Oh, really? I didn't realize that there was evidence that they had eaten lunch.
I assumed they did, especially if they were drinking beer, but I never knew there was any mention of it in MSM.
Or was it mentioned by the VI?

apologies for the confusion, I was trying to explain what I thought a previous poster meant. Lunch, is purely speculation.

 

[MsBetsy]

hi @Leney, do you have a reference point of it being common knowledge this is the case? why would someone take a photo of left-overs from lunch

Well, I doubt anyone would take pictures specifically of that, but those things may have been in the background.
My daughter is always taking pictures in her room, and in the background there always seems to be empty soda bottles, empty potato chip bags, or half eaten pieces of pizza! Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

apologies for the confusion, I was trying to explain what I thought a previous poster meant. Lunch, is purely speculation.

Oh, sorry, I thought maybe LE had observed these things in the RV.
Do we know if they ever looked in the RV? I thought I read something about that very early on.

 

[deugirtni]

SBMFF

They are retired. They were not working within a restricted time frame.
Driving a 5th wheel of that size means that they were not travelling at any speed, probably not even the speed limit.

I do believe they did take a short walk prior, came back and ate a lunch/brunch, then decided to take another leisurely walk.
They are experienced, so I suspect they were well hydrated prior to their walk/hike.
I believe not only are there pictures of her but remnants of their lunch. (plates, glasses,utensils).

What has not been taken into account is that most will stop, rest a few minutes, re-hydrate, perhaps have an energy bar?
I suspect they did once or twice. It would of been at one of these stops were she could of requested her travel mug while she was looking around.

When two individuals have different interests, BT looking for driftwood/rocks, and RT taking pictures, they could of potentially been a distance apart, but still within a comfortable talking/shouting range.

Many have felt she was dehydrated prior to returning and I disagree. I am going on the premise she was in fact quite hydrated.
BT appears fit and could conceivably travell quite a distance. I would not be surprised if she is outside the search area, or the perimeter.

Don't you think this imagined scenario would have been included in RT's description of events which he told his missing wife's relatives about, if it were true?

 

[Curiousobserver]

My thought is that they either have the GPS from his phone or they do not (he turned off location services, which of course is highly suspicious). I think they have the GPS (and probably google maps and probably meta-data from all the pictures he took). We know he had a phone with him.

I also think they've had time to get the GPS from the truck (which should exist, given the truck's year, but I'm no truck expert).

They've had plenty of time to figure out exactly where he stopped along the way, if he had location services on.

So, from my point of view, they've had that information for quite some time. It either leads somewhere or it doesn't. If it does, if Barbara could be at a different spot, then it's now time to give a look. Weather is no longer an excuse, this weekend or this next week, to put it off.

I think they probably had much of this information during the 9-10 days of the search, which doesn't make me hopeful that there will be searches in any other places...

We don't know (for sure) what data they have but I agree they should have collected a whole bunch of location/time data for that truck, that camera, and his phone (even if he had location services turned off). We can be sure that, at least at this point, they didn't find a glaring inconsistency in his position (or we would hear about searches there).

 

[Curiousobserver]

Well, I doubt anyone would take pictures specifically of that, but those things may have been in the background.
My daughter is always taking pictures in her room, and in the background there always seems to be empty soda bottles, empty potato chip bags, or half eaten pieces of pizza! Imo

Seems your daughter has been photographing my daughter's room

 

[Nikynoo]

Don't you think this imagined scenario would have been included in RT's description of events which he told his missing wife's relatives about, if it were true?

who says it wasn't? The VI's post from his sisters recollection said the conversation was rather chronological (I take that to be short hand for long winded, pure speculation on my part).

IMO the VI's sisters recollection is not a verbatim record of what RT said.

 

[deugirtni]

How would he have produced it while answering questions from LE ?
I suspect that SBCSO had the phone/camera from pretty much the moment they arrived.
How old does one believe this particular photo is ? 1 yr ? 2 yrs ? 5 yrs ? 10 yrs ?

I believe we will have to agree to disagree on this particular point

It would be no harder for RT to produce a historical photo from his phone than it would be to produce a photo taken the day she disappeared. I don't think it matters how old anyone believes the bikini-with-the-beer photo is, except that if it *had* been taken on the day she disappeared, I'm certain the photo would have been designated as such by police, ie 'last photo taken of BT', or 'this was taken just before BT disappeared', etc., just like they do in every other case, if one exists. imo.

 

[firstsleuth]

In about 2 hours and 20 minutes, at 3:26pm Pacific Daylight Time today, it will be 9 weeks since RT called 911 to report that Barbara is missing....

Edited...bc I can’t type today

 

[10ofRods]

So he did say, I believe, that they took that 360 vista photo 'that morning.' So they had to do that close to an 11 am arrival, if it was to happen before noon.

That's from our VI, who was not present during the conversation to which his sister was a party. The entire timeline from that conversation is at odds with the timeline RT indicated during the 911 call and used by LE.

I don't see how both timelines can be correct. According to the niece (VI's sister), she thought RT said that it started to get hot around noon and they were heading back. This gives the family the impression that he (sensibly) did not choose to walk out into the desert at noon, but did what most sensible people do and went hiking in the morning. There was no recording of this phone conversation and our VI has said that given the serious nature of the information, the fact that Barbara's little brother was listening and upset, etc., that not all the points may have been recalled perfectly by his sister.

The 911 call tells a different story (3:26, with him saying he'd be searching for "about an hour"). While people are usually off a little in time estimates, being off by 2-3 hours is not typical.

VI did delete the 2 pm comment, but has consistently maintained that LE has stated plainly that they have photographic evidence that she was in the (search) area that day.

That's just another reason why I don't think they'll be looking any place else.

Oh, sorry, I thought maybe LE had observed these things in the RV.
Do we know if they ever looked in the RV? I thought I read something about that very early on.

We do not know. I regard it as highly unlikely. If RT happened to go into the RV while they were talking to him, maybe they got a glimpse, but I think they'd have called for a search warrant given that in California, an elderly man who might be suffering from heat, even if consenting, might later argue he was incapable of consent. It's just bad practice in California to ever search inside something protected by law as if it is a home without a warrant.

It would have been easy enough to get one, although it was a Friday. They let him drive the RV and truck away from the search site, at least that's what RT says.

 

[deugirtni]

who says it wasn't? The VI's post from his sisters recollection said the conversation was rather chronological (I take that to be short hand for long winded, pure speculation on my part).

IMO the VI's sisters recollection is not a verbatim record of what RT said.

Nobody said it is a verbatim record, but I *am* sure that she would have included the events, all of them, which transpired on that very important day. Verbatim means repeated exactly word for word, but there is no reason to even speculate that BT's loved ones wouldn't share all of the day's activities. We *do* have the benefit of a Verified Insider on this thread, it's not like we're dancing in the dark here, having to make up our own imagined conversations and activities based on nothing. imo.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Don't you think this imagined scenario would have been included in RT's description of events which he told his missing wife's relatives about, if it were true?

It's starting to require muck boots to wade through all the imagined additions to the timeline. Complete with scenarios. It sure muddies the water.

 

[10ofRods]

I think captions like this one (Daily Mail, AP Photo) lead people to think they're looking at a last known photo:

 

[deugirtni]

It's starting to require muck boots to wade through all the imagined additions to the timeline. Complete with scenarios. It sure muddies the water.

Yes, it surely does.. I can't keep up with this thread, so I don't even try.. I just check in every now and then to see if anything is new in the case.. when I saw this about lunch and lunch dishes, I thought it was a fact; it causes confusion deep into the thread when an imagined narrative pops in and others start referencing it as if it were now a fact.. takes a bit to get it sorted again. I think that's part of why they don't allow social media posts to be repeated here. jmo.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think captions like this one (Daily Mail, AP Photo) lead people to think they're looking at a last known photo:

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And honestly, we really dont know when it was taken. My concern is some of the more recent photos we've seen of her, I personally don't think she looked well. She looks to be about 10 years younger in this photo to me. I'm not saying I think the photo is 10 years old, just my impression. JMO.

 

[firstsleuth]

dbm...I think I was off topic and feeling melancholy

 

[deugirtni]

I think captions like this one (Daily Mail, AP Photo) lead people to think they're looking at a last known photo:

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Media love to lead people to think things, but it is not the same as police stating that a photo was taken only hours before a person's disappearance. If one existed it would be very valuable as it would show exactly what she looked like at the time and exactly what she was wearing, and would also be proof of life at the time of the photo.

 

[Nikynoo]

Nobody said it is a verbatim record, but I *am* sure that she would have included the events, all of them, which transpired on that very important day. Verbatim means repeated exactly word for word, but there is no reason to even speculate that BT's loved ones wouldn't share all of the day's activities. We *do* have the benefit of a Verified Insider on this thread, it's not like we're dancing in the dark here, having to make up our own imagined conversations and activities based on nothing. imo.

The point I was trying to make, was that for that so called long telephone call, the information provided by the VIs sister, didn't really contain all that information and she *may* have missed *some* information out.

 

[Nikynoo]

I think captions like this one (Daily Mail, AP Photo) lead people to think they're looking at a last known photo:

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I'm wondering whether we could ask the reporter to ask that question to LE? e.g. Can you please confirm that this is a photo taken of BT on the day she went missing?

 

[deugirtni]

The point I was trying to make, was that for that so called long telephone call, the information provided by the VIs sister, didn't really contain all that information and she *may* have missed *some* information out.

Even if VI's sister may have missed some of the info when she relayed RT's phonecall to our verified insider, I highly doubt it wouldn't have been since remembered and mentioned, if these other details were part of the activities. imo.