CA - Bizarre Police Chase, Man Beat, Horse fine

[Woodland]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...n-after-horse-pursuit-20150410-htmlstory.html

After the beating, a deputy whispered in his ear: "This isn't over,'" attorney Jim Terrell said.

Nasty comment from the cop imo, to Pusok. Bullying at it's worst, designed to put fear into Pusok. Cruel, imo.

 

[branwynbreeze]

I don't have a problem with chasing someone you are serving a search warrant on who takes off, it's the way they took him into custody after falling from horse. There is so much I don't understand about LE tactics to end that situation.

http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/2...-riding-suspect-apparently-beaten-by-deputies

Sheriff’s officials said deputies from the Victor Valley station in Victorville went to a home in the 25000 block of Zuni Road, in unincorporated Apple Valley, shortly after noon to serve a search warrant related to an identity theft investigation. When deputies showed up, Pusok fled in a vehicle, which he later abandoned and then took a horse near the Deep Creek Hot Springs area, they said.

 

[MsFacetious]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...n-after-horse-pursuit-20150410-htmlstory.html

After the beating, a deputy whispered in his ear: "This isn't over,'" attorney Jim Terrell said.

Nasty comment from the cop imo, to Pusok. Bullying at it's worst, designed to put fear into Pusok. Cruel, imo.

I would take that as a threat if a cop said it to me.

 

[Woodland]

I would take that as a threat if a cop said it to me.

Yes - very threatening imo. And Pusok is or was in LE custody. No where to go, no one to call. Nasty. I no longer wonder why kids in school bully other kids - there are plenty of places to learning bullying these days.

 

[al66pine]

....Why would LE then run into a desert unprepared when they have eyes in the sky? The cops dropped due to their own decisions, then beat the guy because they chased him and a few hurt themselves.
How much will it cost the taxpayers to return LE to good health, with pay while that happens, and how much in medical costs to put the guy back together the way he was - if that can be done. Then there is the lawsuit that will surely follow - how much? ....

Woodland
Your points about tax funds paying medical exp for LEOs are well taken. Ditto the man pursued.
Ditto the inevitable civil lawsuit to follow. Expensive.

Eyes in the sky?
From SBCSO site http://cms.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/Divisions/Aviation.aspx :
"San Bernardino County is the largest county in the continental US at just over 20,000 square miles. Terrain varies from wetlands in the southwest corner of the county to desert and mountainous regions to the east. The elevation rises from
600 ft msl to 11, 500 ft msl at the snow covered peak of San Gorgonio. Does Sheriff's office have big hangar w multiple helicopters & fixed wing ready w pilots on standby? IDK. Expensive? Yes.
Are aircraft always avail on demand from any LEO in SB County? IDK.
20,000 sq mi is a lot of territory for 'eyes in the sky' to cover.

Differing costs & expenses to consider.

 

[Woodland]

Yes, the vast terrain justifies the cost of helicopters for that force.

Dropping a bunch of deputies from one of them in the desert and telling them to run doubled the cost. The foolish deputies then doubled that double cost, or more, by their yahoo, let's play paratrooper antics. Did they bring water for themselves or the horse? No time to get any water? = no plan.

Where the heck was Pusok going to go? Stay isolated in the desert? Or change his mind after an hour or two? Would have been cheaper to wait and see. Suspect most if not all charges he was hit with for this 'pursuit' will be dropped. Wasting more money. Jmo.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM:

CBS2 uncovered convictions of Pusok’s dating as far back as 2002. They include: driving on a sidewalk at an unsafe speed in 2002; attempted robbery in 2006; fighting in 2011; cruelty to an animal in 2013; resisting an officer in 2013; and obstructing or resisting an officer in 2014.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...horseback-pursuit-far-worse-than-rodney-king/

Just jumping off your link.

Story so far: guy with conviction for animal abuse steals horse and gets kicked.. It's tough. But it's justice.

 

[zwiebel]

Worth mentioning - people who abuse spouses and children, often abuse animals too. Just wonder what would have happened if this horse thief/animal abuser had sought shelter in a house where a family were living? Christopher Dorner mark II-type scenario, maybe?

 

[branwynbreeze]

Yes, the vast terrain justifies the cost of helicopters for that force.

Dropping a bunch of deputies from one of them in the desert and telling them to run doubled the cost. The foolish deputies then doubled that double cost, or more, by their yahoo, let's play paratrooper antics. Did they bring water for themselves or the horse? No time to get any water? = no plan.

Where the heck was Pusok going to go? Stay isolated in the desert? Or change his mind after an hour or two? Would have been cheaper to wait and see. Suspect most if not all charges he was hit with for this 'pursuit' will be dropped. Wasting more money. Jmo.

This is the part that is asinine. They have access to ATVs and eyes in the sky, while I'm not privy to SBSO protocol, I think they could have boxed him in.

FWIW I use to train gun dogs with a SBSO deputy. He was a great guy, funny, smart, but had a temper. A few times he had to be reminded to keep his cool in competition or face suspension.

 

[Sonya610]

Dropping a bunch of deputies from one of them in the desert and telling them to run doubled the cost. The foolish deputies then doubled that double cost, or more, by their yahoo, let's play paratrooper antics.

Well if it is about cost then simply shooting him when he started to flee would have saved a TON of money!

It took them 3 hours to catch the guy, a bullet could have gotten the job done in 3 seconds.

 

[Woodland]

Well if it is about cost then simply shooting him when he started to flee would have saved a TON of money!

It took them 3 hours to catch the guy, a bullet could have gotten the job done in 3 seconds.

No *****. So why didn't they do this?

 

[Woodland]

Worth mentioning - people who abuse spouses and children, often abuse animals too. Just wonder what would have happened if this horse thief/animal abuser had sought shelter in a house where a family were living? Christopher Dorner mark II-type scenario, maybe?

I'm just guessing here, but wouldn't the helicopter see that from a long way off? And alert deputies on the ground? Deputies that should have been following by road, in the direction of the helicopter? If there were roads in the area that is - the long shot from the news crew showed nothing for miles.

Even if deputies on the ground could not get there in time, due to a vast span of terrain, couldn't the helicopter land between the guy and the house, maybe pull a gun or something and stop him from doing any more harm? Something like that would require 2 guys in the helicopter - safe. And deputies in vehicles with air-conditioning, maybe water if they are so inclined, and safe.

Just can't see what the plan was. And is cost innocent taxpayers dearly.

 

[panthera]

BBM:



Just jumping off your link.

Story so far: guy with conviction for animal abuse steals horse and gets kicked.. It's tough. But it's justice.

Thankfully in this case the horse appears to be fine, and no sympathy from me for the perp.

MOO

 

[panthera]

I will have to watch the video again, I like the idea of seeing an animal abuser be kicked/beaten senseless.

I am just very very glad that the police didn't shoot the horse; if I had been the horse's owner I would have been terrified of that possibility.

BBM

Totally agree.

MOO

 

[Zuri]

BBM:



Just jumping off your link.

Story so far: guy with conviction for animal abuse steals horse and gets kicked.. It's tough. But it's justice.

IIRC, it was an LEO that was kicked and injured by the horse too. Did Pusok get kicked as well when he fell off? Or just stepped on?

How far did the perp and horse travel from point of origin? As in miles? Thanks.

 

[al66pine]

Has anyone here on Websleuths or in MSM put together an image or graphic, map, or satellite view, or
whatever w route, from time LEOs knocked on doors - to time he was thrown/bucked/fallen off horse?

Thx in adv.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Horse update:

http://www.horsechannel.com/over-the-fence-blog/2015/0414-what-happened-to-the-stolen-horse.aspx

Over the Fence: What Happened to the Stolen Horse?
A horrifying altercation between a suspect and police went viral this week, and a horse was at the center of it all.
By Kitson Jazynka | Tuesday, April 14, 2015

About the condition of the horse…
The horse suffered numerous injuries to his legs, she said, because he was ridden hard and fast over about five miles. The desert terrain was difficult and steep, rocky and jagged. He had cuts and abrasions to his legs.

 

[MsFacetious]

Interview with the suspect/beating victim.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/0...ticle_organicsidebar_expansion&iref=obnetwork

 

[angelainwi]

BREAKING: California county: Man beaten by deputies on video after fleeing on horse to get $650,000.

 

[Sonya610]

BREAKING: California county: Man beaten by deputies on video after fleeing on horse to get $650,000.

How could there have possibly been a settlement that quick? And if it was an out of court settlement why in the heck was it made public? So other criminals can push boundaries and hope they get rich too?