CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #1

[ShannonS]

thank you for posting the link CF. probably just a weird coincidence.

 

[ButterfieldSlueth]

You may not sleuth Bryce's roommate as he is not a suspect or POI in this case. Additionally, do not post comments from social media!

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Didn't know that. If I find other info like that I will forward straight to LE and Bryce's mother through FB.

 

[tambo]

long time lurker. this case strikes close to home as a mother with 2 children in college. also grew up in Southern California - traveled that route many times. but i've been transplanted to the East Coast for some time now so when i wasn't familiar with Valero (Bryce purchased gas at the station close to Buttonwood) i googled the location this morning. the search brought up 2 locations, the Buttonwood and another in Camarillo. almost like a hand had come out of the monitor and smacked me because earlier this morning i searched the route between Castaic Lake and Somis. the routes are almost identical. I did the Somis search because there was a 20 something, male body found there last nite. i dismissed it at first, kind of thought *farm worker* but then i did the Valero search and the coincidence compelled me to register. different counties so thought i'd mention. i have Lymes and its difficult for me to get my thoughts out so apologies if this has been difficult to follow.

Hi shannon, welcome

That's pretty interesting actually. that is the route that we take when we are going to the lake. I had not heard about the body being found there until just now. I'm going to see what i can find out.

 

[dragracerz]

DragRacer, I have sent you a message on your Facebook page, however it was directed to your "other message" folder. I work for a missing children's organization and I'm trying to give you Marc and Brad's, of Klaas Kids, direct phone numbers as well as resources for searches.

Thank you. Glad we talked

 

[dragracerz]

I think this case needs more national media attention. I think if a family member was to contact Marc Klaas he could get this on the Nancy Grace HLN show.


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Thank you, I am in contact now

 

[dragracerz]

Thanks ShannonS and welcome! Here is a link to that body found in Somis

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2013/sep/07/deputies-investigating-apparent-homicide-somis/

I would really hope if this body fit Bryces description that my sister would have been notified by now

I can't believe all the dead bodies that have turned up in that area and I live in a suburb of Chicago

 

[Whiteorchids]

I'm sure they would have contacted LASD immediately. First thing they check are missing persons in the area matching the description.


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[gitana1]

Also if he left Rocklin/Roseville at 11:30pm on Wednesday night (according to the girlfriend) he should have arrived in Buttonwillow around 4am or did he stop at home first? Why didn't he call for gas until 9am - that's another 5hrs unaccounted for?

Does anyone know what the typical withdrawl symptoms are like from these ADD pills?

Here's a link:

Adderall Withdrawal Symptoms


Adderall is a medication that is composed of amphetamine and dextroamphetamine. When used chronically and in sufficient quantities a person will become dependent on Adderall and will experience withdrawal symptoms upon cessation of use.
The duration and intensity of withdrawal symptoms will vary depending on the length and intensity of use. Longer use at higher doses will result in more difficult and prolonged withdrawal symptoms. Withdrawal symptoms may dissipate in a matter of weeks, or may endure for months.
Even short binges of Adderall use can result in several days of withdrawal symptoms thereafter.
Very common Adderall withdrawal symptoms include:

• Feelings of depression
• Fatigue and mental fatigue
• Increased appetite

Other withdrawal symptoms sometimes experienced include:

• Anxiety Irritability and agitation
• Long periods of sleep
• Very deep REM sleeps with unusually vivid dreams
• Suicidal thoughts2

Read more: Adderall Withdrawal Symptoms Explained http://www.choosehelp.com/detox/adderall-withdrawal-symptoms-explained

Okay more personal experience here so bear with me please

IF Bryce was on adderal or whatever upper med and IF he is in fact in a psychosis/catatonic state....don't give up on finding him! My son disappeared for 4 months. We had a missing persons report on him. Found out some scary stuff when he came to in the psychiatric ward several months after he was found. He started to tell us some of the stuff he remembered. I went white as a ghost! He was driving a car and monsters were flying in his window and started sucking his soul out, so he pulled over somewhere near Sacramento, he got out of the car and left it because the monsters were in it. Then he described walking on the freeway and cars were flying past them and they all had vampire teeth and wings and they were 'swooshing him' so he was hugging the wall (on the freeway? I have never figured out). He hitchhiked to. Somehow he got to Humbolt county in Nor Cal. He stole a car, it ran out of gas. Then he was walking again. Somehow, LE picked him up and he went to jail, in Sacramento County for 3 mos. he told us stories about how the people in jail could morph from a friend to a vampire in seconds. As he was telling me this he stuck his finger in my mouth and asked me how come I could grow vampire teeth like that. I'm crying as I type this because it is such a hard, hard thing to watch your perfect baby boy go through and its painful to realize what was and still is happening inside his mind he was released from jail 3 mos later, still unmedicated or diagnosed. Just released at the prison gate with whatever means they gave him and sent on his way. His name on his jail booking is similar, but not exactly correct. I don't know if this is why the LE couldn't match the missing persons report. I don't know if my son was even coherent enough at the time of arrest to speak. He somehow found his way back to the Bay Area about 3 weeks later and showed up at his grandmas house. By then, he was in a catatonic state. He didn't know who we were, who he was, where he was etc. we thought at first that he had fallen and hit his head. Maybe had a stroke, as he couldn't walk right. We also thought drugs, he must have done some kind of drug. At the hospital, he wouldn't let them do a CT scan, so they had to give him a small dose of sedative. That small dose knocked him out for 3 days, which turned out to be a blessing because they were then able to do a lot of tests on him to determine what happened. This is when they did a drug test and a hair follicle test. Negative for both. Also, no head injuries. When he came to, he was completely inconsolable. Everyone was a vampire, or monster or devil. He spoke of satan often (we are very religious so this terrified me) wouldn't sign his release papers, said that Satan was inside the pen. I just sat there and cried. I was overwhelmed and in total and complete shock. As a teen, he rebelled a little, ran away probably 10 times, wanted to drop out of school, smoked weed on occasion, but really up until age 16-17 he was a perfect child, perfect grades etc. so when he started acting up, we thought it was normal teen rebellion stuff. Or maybe the weed he was smoking then, you know bad crowd and all. This schizophrenia thing absolutely blind sided us all! My son stayed in psychiatric lock down unit for 18 months. It took months before he could form a sentence and a lot longer before he could carry on a conversation. Even today it is difficult to converse with him. He will accuse us of sucking his soul out, or his mantra (?) or something.

Okay so now you know why I wouldn't wish this disease on ANY ONE EVER. But really the reason why I've typed all this out is to give you an idea of what went on in my sons mind, how it was working (or not) and why there really IS still hope no matter how long anyone's been gone for. Oh the other thing I forgot to mention is, I hardly recognized my son when he showed up. His grandma didn't recognize him at all. He was 180lbs 6' tall when he went missing and had always kept his hair buzzed. When he showed up he was 115 lbs, eyes and cheeks sunken in, curly hair grown out looked like an Afro. So even with our photos posted all over, no one would have even recognized him. This also gives people an idea of where to look and what to look for. Bryce has only been missing 8 days, but if he is in a psychosis, with wild looking eyes etc he may not look anything like his photos.

I guess this is why I want to jump in my car and run down there and help all I can. I hope and pray that Bryce is found and found safe soon. I also hope more than anything that he is not going through anything like my son did/does. Just wanted to give some insight. Do not ever ever give up hope!!

Thank you so much for that. It's helpful, IMO. If Bryce did have a psychotic episode, his behavior patterns, his demeanor, dress and appearance may be very different than what those who know him recall. So it could be a bit harder to find him.

I get the reluctance to look into this angle due to the stigma that continues to unfairly surround mental illness. But I would think it beats foul play of some kind.

We have such similar stories. Im so sorry. I know your pain all too well. My son has now been in and out of jail and psch wards for the last 10 years. He just turned 30. This will never end unfortunately.

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It frustrates me that more is not done to research healing the brain or effective, long-term treatments for mental illness. So many people suffer from these issues. It seems it would be more of a priority.

If he wasn't messed up why didn't he try to make a call with his cell phone in the truck but yet was able to crawl out the broken window? None of this makes any sense. Do you think it's possible he had someone in the car with him to try some kind of hallucinogenic drug and thats why at the lake where no one would see them and he overdosed and whoever he was with got scared and did something to him.

Right now there are so many scenarios and possibilities. If he was injured could he had been attacked by a mountain? they do have them there but rarely do they attack humans. I know several years ago in OC where I live a mountain bikers chain fell off in Silverado Canyon and he was mauled and killed by a mountain lion as people watched in horror throwing rocks to ward him off.

So for the bad writing but I am so sleepy!!!

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That was Whiting Ranch! (It's sort of close but actually the entrance is surrounded by housing - Foothill Ranch). The biker was killed and half eaten before anyone knew it. Two ladies then went riding by the lion eating his kill and the lion jumped on one and tried to kill her, in order to protect his kill. Her friend grabbed one end and played tug of war with the lion and that's when people stopped and began throwing rocks. She was saved.

I;m terrified of Mountain Lion attacks because I hike/run a lot in those areas and lions scare me. So I know every detail about the attacks. They are extremely, rare, although young males may be feeling increased pressure from development which is what can cause them to go after humans.

I think Bryce, if wandering in the wilderness, is more at risk of rattlesnake bites than mountain lion attacks.

There are also brown bears and coyotes in the area but neither have been known to attack adult humans.

I know there have been a lot of posts saying things like "if he was in a Psycotic state"
But REMEMBER, his vehicle was searched and the police found no drugs

also PLEASE do not take any of my posts as derogatory towards yours. The last thing I want is to run someone off who is trying to help, thinking I took offense to a post. I fully understand that WE ARE ALL speculating and even if some posts are not what I believe, it is speculation, and EVERY angle needs to be looked at.

But psychosis does not have to stem from drugs. That is just one reason. Another could be sleeplessness, or the sudden onset of organic brain disease like schizophrenia or bi polar disorder.

I don't think the police had probable cause to do a full, thorough search of Bryce's vehicle. They may have checked the obvious places for typical paraphernalia, but a couple tiny pills are easy to stash & be missed in a superficial search. But it sounds like even if he didn't have anything with him, we know he did take Adderall a day or 2 before leaving, if not sooner, & it sounds like he still could have been suffering the side effects/withdrawals. Withdrawals may be more likely. Maybe he really did spend 10 hrs in Buttonwillow sleeping, tried to get back on the road, but was still not completely ok, so he pulled off at Castaic again. Who knows...

Regardless if Bryce had succumbed to the effects of Adderall, which we know he took at least 1 of & was likely up for 4 days, learning from others' stories of what they went through is so, so important. I sincerely thank White & AnjL for sharing their experiences with their sons. That is truly heartbreaking.

I had never heard of this & it's widespread college use or the "upper" effects. That is really, really scary. I can see young college kids thinking it's a medication prescribed to young kids, so it "can't hurt them". So sad. The word on this needs to get out to educate students in high school to watch out for this & to educators & parents.

Just praying for answers soon for Bryce's family & that if at all possible, he is found alive & well.

The police do not need probable cause to search if they are given permission: "Sir, may we take a look inside your car?" "Ok".

I agree, we don't know how well the vehicle was searched, however it was a search authorized by my sister as the vehicle owner and that gave probable cause to search his person. Who knows how well they searched ???
I am not ruling anything out.
Yes, College kids are being told this helps them "focus" and I am sure they have no clue as to what could happen after taking it.
I feel for the parents that are going through this with their kids.

I just want to make clear, if your sister gave permission to search her car, that does not create probable cause to search your nephew. Permission to search a vehicle or building or person eliminates the need for probable cause altogether. But your sister's vehicle and your nephew's body are two, separate things and the police would have needed his permission to search his body/clothes/shoes, etc. (which admittedly, probably would not have been too hard to get given his age and apparently sweet nature), or, absent such permission, actual probable cause to believe he had something related to a crime on his person, in order to search him.

Call Texas Equusearch Mounted search and recovery team ran by Tim Miller. They have recovered many missing persons. They are excellent in matters like this and are ran by donations.

http://texasequusearch.org/

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Incredible, excellent resource. Thank you so much for passing that along to this family!!!!

So we have a record here ...

Here's screen print of BL's last txt msg to current roommate.

Wonder what the blocked out txt msg above BL's said?

http://video.fox40.com/Student-Hope...heel=91055&sitesection=ktxl_news&vid=25130922

My guess is it is someone's phone number.

thank you for posting the link CF. probably just a weird coincidence.

Weird coincidence indeed. Who knew there would be so many burning bodies of men littering Southern California? This is ridiculous and horrifying.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Have they used Sonar equipment yet for the lake search? Apparently it is needed at Castaic lake. This is an interesting article from 2005 about a body of 19 year old found in the Lake.

http://diver.net/bbs/posts001/56739.shtml


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[cluciano63]

Sorry to say and it may just be me and too many cases, etc...but I cannot think of a reasonable scenario where Bryce is okay someplace. Anyone? Nine days, no expenditures, no sightings, no contact. Why would he not contact his mother if he is okay? And how is he surviving without using his cards?

Can anyone come up with a realistic scenario in which he might be alive? I know some have suggested that he might be in a facility of some sort. But I don't think that is likely. I think police can obtain info about missing people in jail or hospitals, despite privacy laws. There was a link recently posted, I believe pertaining to the Robert Mayer case, including such an exemption.
JMO

 

[alreetlike]

Sorry to say and it may just be me and too many cases, etc...but I cannot think of a reasonable scenario where Bryce is okay someplace. Anyone? Nine days, no expenditures, no sightings, no contact. Why would he not contact his mother if he is okay? And how is he surviving without using his cards?

Can anyone come up with a realistic scenario in which he might be alive?

Nope. This is exactly the problem I'm having. It seems awful to say, but I just don't see it as feasible.

 

[2Hope4]

Sorry to say and it may just be me and too many cases, etc...but I cannot think of a reasonable scenario where Bryce is okay someplace. Anyone? Nine days, no expenditures, no sightings, no contact. Why would he not contact his mother if he is okay? And how is he surviving without using his cards?

Can anyone come up with a realistic scenario in which he might be alive? I know some have suggested that he might be in a facility of some sort. But I don't think that is likely. I think police can obtain info about missing people in jail or hospitals, despite privacy laws. There was a link recently posted, I believe pertaining to the Robert Mayer case, including such an exemption.
JMO

Off with a new friend? Trying to discovery himself? In a homeless facility, not knowing his name? Fake name in a facility somewhere? Hitchhiked a ride to somewhere? Camping with someone in the area? Wandering around in those woods? I honestly don't know, just trying to come up with something!

Hope is all you're left with someone disappears. Hope they are somewhere safe, and will come home when ready.

 

[SandSage]

Off with a new friend? Trying to discovery himself? In a homeless facility, not knowing his name? Fake name in a facility somewhere? Hitchhiked a ride to somewhere? I honestly don't know, just trying to come up with something!

Any of the scenarios WhiteOrchid and AnjL shared about their sons!

 

[dragracerz]

I know that every day that goes by, the outlook looks worse, but anything is possible

 

[Whiteorchids]

Do any of you remember the missing student Jack Culolias case? His body didn't surface until two weeks after divers had searched the lake. I really think he could still be in the lake since the trained searched dogs got his last scent at the edge of the lake.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/01/asu_freshman_jack_culolias_dea.php

 

[Voice4theSilent]

If the autopsy of the recovery body is complete and the ME has an ID on that individual (who it is or is not) ...

What good/reasonable explanation could ME/LE have for continuing to keep this distressed family on pins and needles for the ID determination of the recovered body; BL: yea or nay? TIA

A reasonable explanation could be that they are building a case, possibly watching a suspect or suspects, and releasing the details of the body would jeopardize the investigation (even if they just tell the family.) I know that the family is in desperate need of knowing however I am certain that they would agree that more important than knowing in a timely manner would be that, if the body is their loved one, the person responsible is caught, charged and convicted. MOO

 

[2Hope4]

I know that every day that goes by, the outlook looks worse, but anything is possible

My heartfelt thoughts and prayers!! Though we realize the realities, there is hope. Look at the two posters on here who had sons missing for extended periods of time, and were found alive. There's always hope until provided with evidence otherwise!!! As difficult as the situation is, keep praying, keep believing! lease:

 

[dragracerz]

Do any of you remember the missing student Jack Culolias case? His body didn't surface until two weeks after divers had searched the lake. I really think he could still be in the lake since the trained searched dogs got his last scent at the edge of the lake.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/01/asu_freshman_jack_culolias_dea.php

It could be if weighted down or got snagged on something. But otherwise would have floated in 3 days or less in 77* water.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Oh sorry I forgot to post the other link to the story.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/tempe/pd-body-found-near-tempe-town-lake

 

[2Hope4]

There's been people found that spoke a different language, and thus their true identity was a mystery! I know I've read about cases like that here on websleuths! The mind is a mystery, the organ we need the most, our brains, and the one organ we know the least about! Very complex organ!!!