CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #4

[Quester]

So, does that mean he had his phone with him and perhaps he was ignoring phone calls? ty

From the timeline, BBM:
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8/29 (Thurs.)

9:00 a.m. Thursday - Bryce runs out of gas near the Buttonwillow Rest Area, west of Bakersfield.

12:00 p.m. Thursday - a roadside assistance serviceman named Christian delivers three gallons of gasoline to Bryce, according to a $20 credit card purchase for the fuel. “He’s not answering his phone (at this time),” his mother said.

12:30 p.m. Thursday - Karen Laspisa calls serviceman Christian and asks about her son. He tells her he appears “OK” but adds: “His eyes look a little red.” Bryce does not answer his cell phone.

9:00 p.m. Thursday - responding to a call from the mother - CHP officers stop and search Bryce’s car spotted on Lagoon Drive in Buttonwillow. Some reports say they searched for drugs or alcohol but found none. The mom told John and Ken that the police spent 20 minutes with her son.

Shortly after 10 p.m. Thursday - Karen speaks to her son on the phone and asks: “What are you doing?” His response, she said, is: “I’m going to hang with friends later.”

11:00 p.m. Thursday - Bryce tells his mother he’s buying a beverage at a gas station. A purchase is made for $1.71, she said.

Shortly after midnight Thursday - “He tells me he’s on the I-5 south but he’s telling me nothing,” she said.

As per Uncle dragracerz-Bryce bought $39 worth of gas at the Valero Station on Lagoon Drive in Buttonwillow.

8/30 - (Fri.)

1:50 a.m. Friday - Bryce, by phone, tells the mother that he “had detoured off I-5 but was back on the I-5.”

2:08 a.m. Friday - Karen Laspisa talks to her son for the last time. He tells her his GPS tells him he will arrive in Laguna Niguel in three hours and 25 minutes. “He told me ‘I got off the I-5 and I’m in a suburban area. I’m going to sleep in my car.’”

2:08 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. Friday - Bryce makes three trips to the crash site – the last trip ending with the crash, according to what his mother described as surveillance footage captured by cameras set up near Castaic Lake.

5:30 a.m. Friday - CHP officers locate his overturned SUV on a paved access road that leads to the Castaic Lake Main Boat ramp, at the bottom of a 15-foot ravine, on its side, with its rear window smashed. Although he left the valuables – laptop, cell phone and wallet – a duffle bag is found at the rear of the car and zipped open, prompting investigators to suspect he took something from it. He walked back from his car to a nearby lake after the crash, it appears.

 

[Eileen730]

I'm beginning to believe he was not with the Car . Something happened in that motel he either left with someone else or he was removed by someone and when they went to hide the car it went off road. Just a thought

 

[RoseGarden]

So, does that mean he had his phone with him and perhaps he was ignoring phone calls? ty

That is what I recall from one of the reports /interviews...

I do believe he had fully intended to wind his way home to see his folks, otherwise why hop in the car and head out in that direction and tell mom he had a lot to talk about. But a possibly planned meeting in Buttonwillow (a half way point for a meeting?) shifted his thinking / actions a little bit, maybe. He still aimed southward, but his actions were erratic, and driving to the lake several times suggests either confusion, intention, or angst. I agree with others, some clues must come from the Buttonwillow time period. I am fairly certain Bryce's uncle gets word of these postings daily, and I hope that the Kern Sheriff's office provides insight into their time with Bryce in Buttonwillow... We are all kind of banging our heads against a wall, trying to figure this strange case out... :banghead:

 

[Quester]

I'm beginning to believe he was not with the Car . Something happened in that motel he either left with someone else or he was removed by someone and when they went to hide the car it went off road. Just a thought

We have been led to believe that during the following phone call with his mother, BL's phone pinged in the area of Castiac Lake. Whether BL was in his SUV or in another vehicle is not yet known. First video of BL's SUV entering the lake area, as far as we know, does not ID the driver - nor does the second video, that we know. We're still waiting to hear if small amount of blood ?in? SUV was BL's and where it was located or if it's believed to have been deposited prior to this whole road trip (if that can be determined).

Lots of holes in the timeline and lots of unanswered questions about the basics of this case. JMO

2:08 a.m. Friday - Karen Laspisa talks to her son for the last time. ... “He told me ‘I got off the I-5 and I’m in a suburban area. I’m going to sleep in my car.’”

 

[Redux]

I've been going back to Buttonwillow throughout this case. Something went on there. Bryce spent more that 10 hours there, maybe up to 14. Now we find out he was at a hotel there.

(snipped by me)

I'm beginning to believe he was not with the Car . Something happened in that motel he either left with someone else or he was removed by someone and when they went to hide the car it went off road. Just a thought

Hold up everyone, we don't know that Bryce was in a motel or in a motel parking lot or near a hotel. There's been nothing else to confirm this, so that police report could mean that he was near a hotel not necessarily in a room in a motel. Or it could even just been a goof up by the police officer.

I just hate to see something go from a maybe to a definite when we haven't even heard anything else about this except the one line in a dispatch report.

Edited: I realize you said "at" a hotel, Seajay, but someone just coming into the thread might read that as being in the motel.

Sorry everyone, not trying to be mean, I just feel that this new info is taking on a life of its own before we even know if it's true.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Maybe they do? It may not be relevant.

This case is a mystery I think anything could be relevant at this point. He hadn't slept for 3 days so leads me to believe it was more than one he admitted to taking. The person he obtained it from would know if he got them repeatedly. He was acting strangely when his all went down. Side effects from a person with or without ADHD or ADD can be hell from the crash coming down.


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[Quester]

@ kmw461: Thanks for your input on this case! Much appreciated!
Your heart is obviously in the right place! :tyou:

 

[RoseGarden]

I'm beginning to believe he was not with the Car . Something happened in that motel he either left with someone else or he was removed by someone and when they went to hide the car it went off road. Just a thought

I thought that at one point, but the bloodhounds definitely have him at the lake, and on the road heading out of the park. So adding in the bloodhound paths, there does seem to be a "dazed" quality to the walk on the dam, etc. When I rolled my car, I thought I was behaving perfectly normally, locking the door (no windows remained) and marching a mile to a gas station to use a phone (1984). There, I could not remember my own phone number, and the attendant was very nervous when he saw me, a twenty-something blonde that had bits of glass all over. I did not know until the next day that I had dislocated my shoulder, had a concussion, and broke a bone in my left hand ring finger. There was zero pain, no pain at all when I was in shock, lots of energy to climb up the hill and march along the freeway to an exit that might have a gas station. Just had a sense of purpose and thought I was perfectly fine. Of course, the next day, I hurt all over. In a sling for weeks! Shock is a wonderful resource of the mind/ body connection. It allows for survival. I believe Bryce was in shock from his bumps, the roll and topple of the SUV would be quite traumatic, and he would start walking, no doubt to find a way out. First the dam, then back track and up the road to leave the way he came. From there, maybe followed lights or flagged down the next car/ truck. All conjecture, of course, but well within the realm of possibility... IMO...

 

[CatFancier]

I wish we could find out if cash was found in Bryce's wallet or not. If there was and he planned this disappearance seems he would have taken it.

This is the best we have on cash:

Everything was in his wallet when found, license, credit cards etc

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and:

That would be plausible except that most of his transactions were less than $40 at grocery stores.
It would take a long time to "stash" money away at that pace

My sister believes all purchases to be legit

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[Seajay]

If we can't take the police report as fact, then what can we take??? MSM often gets things wrong, yet so much of what we have discussed here has come from that source.

The police report said that the officer talked to Bryce AT THE HOTEL. If we throw that information out, then we throw out a whole lot of other stuff. Like all the things his friends said, all the things his parents said. And then we are back to square one.

The police officer made a formal, legal statement of the facts as they occured. I don't think anyone is reaching or making up things by standing on those facts of the case and discussing the possibilities of what that could mean.

Bryce was in Buttonwillow 10-14 hours. Why? Where was he? What was he doing? He had to be doing something. The place stinks, it's a small town just before entering Bakersfield. There is nothing there. Yet Bryce managed to do SOMETHING there for 10-14 hours. I don't see him sitting in his car in the baking California desert sun, listening to his car radio and just watching people. Not when he had some place to go. Something made he stop and stay there. The police report said he was at a hotel. Not a motel, a hotel.

That's more solid a clue then some of the other things we've run with here. JMO, IMO, MOO

 

[LinasK]

I would not characterize it that way. Schizophrenia is really a broad classification of psychiatric illness with underlying causes that are still being researched and are not fully understood. Sleep deprivation psychosis is a temporary psychotic condition brought on by sleep deprivation that could happen to anyone.

If you were schizophrenic and not sleeping, it could certainly trigger a break and lead to being diagnosed so I don't doubt your coworker... But I wouldn't say sleep deprivation psychosis causes schizophrenia.

Disclaimer: I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist but I am a medical professional. Jmo. Maybe I should register.

Sorry, miscommunication on my part- he wasn't a coworker, he was a patient I worked with...

 

[Whiteorchids]

If we can't take the police report as fact, then what can we take??? MSM often gets things wrong, yet so much of what we have discussed here has come from that source.

The police report said that the officer talked to Bryce AT THE HOTEL. If we throw that information out, then we throw out a whole lot of other stuff. Like all the things his friends said, all the things his parents said. And then we are back to square one.

The police officer made a formal, legal statement of the facts as they occured. I don't think anyone is reaching or making up things by standing on those facts of the case and discussing the possibilities of what that could mean.

Bryce was in Buttonwillow 10-14 hours. Why? Where was he? What was he doing? He had to be doing something. The place stinks, it's a small town just before entering Bakersfield. There is nothing there. Yet Bryce managed to do SOMETHING there for 10-14 hours. I don't see him sitting in his car in the baking California desert sun, listening to his car radio and just watching people. Not when he had some place to go. Something made he stop and stay there. The police report said he was at a hotel. Not a motel, a hotel.

That's more solid a clue then some of the other things we've run with here. JMO, IMO, MOO

I agree with everything you've said. What are your beliefs thus far as to what happened?


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[LinasK]

I've been going back to Buttonwillow throughout this case. Something went on there. Bryce spent more that 10 hours there, maybe up to 14. Now we find out he was at a hotel there. As Quester said, there are three reasons for getting a hotel room. Sleep, sex, drugs. Because he pulled off at 2:00 am in Castaic, 1 hour 43 minutes away from Buttonwillow because he was TIRED and needed to get some sleep, we can just about eliminate that in Buttonwillow he slept.

And he said he was hanging with friends later. This is what he told his mother and the Kern County Sheriff who did the welfare check.

Buttonwillow is a place to pass through. Quickly. It's not a place to hang around all day long and into the night, when you are traveling, on a short holiday weekend, and you are headed elsewhere. It just isn't.

So something was going on there, something happened there that changed the course of his journey, and that culminated in the SUV crashing on the Main Launch Ramp at Castaic Lake. IMO, JMO, MOO

I completely agree. I've stated as much in previous posts. It's not the kind of place you want to hang around unless you have reason to.

 

[LinasK]

If we can't take the police report as fact, then what can we take??? MSM often gets things wrong, yet so much of what we have discussed here has come from that source.

The police report said that the officer talked to Bryce AT THE HOTEL. If we throw that information out, then we throw out a whole lot of other stuff. Like all the things his friends said, all the things his parents said. And then we are back to square one.

The police officer made a formal, legal statement of the facts as they occured. I don't think anyone is reaching or making up things by standing on those facts of the case and discussing the possibilities of what that could mean.

Bryce was in Buttonwillow 10-14 hours. Why? Where was he? What was he doing? He had to be doing something. The place stinks, it's a small town just before entering Bakersfield. There is nothing there. Yet Bryce managed to do SOMETHING there for 10-14 hours. I don't see him sitting in his car in the baking California desert sun, listening to his car radio and just watching people. Not when he had some place to go. Something made he stop and stay there. The police report said he was at a hotel. Not a motel, a hotel.

That's more solid a clue then some of the other things we've run with here. JMO, IMO, MOO

What hotels are in Buttonwillow? I've only ever seen motels, unless the cop wasn't making a distinction. To me motels are cheaper, you can drive up to the room doors, always access from the outside. Whereas a hotel is fancier, has inside hallways.

 

[2Hope4]

FOIA for the police report???? Then MAYBE we could find some answers!

 

[Seajay]

Maybe he was at a convention? LOL I forgot, that's the only other reason to go to a hotel. I've been to several conventions in hotels.

I don't know if the police officer uses hotel and motel interchangeably. But taken literally, that's what he said, he found him at a hotel. Some people do use hotel and motel interchangeably. It would have been nice had the police officer stated exactly which hotel/motel he found him at. And in the police statement, it could mean that he found Bryce on the hotel/motel premises. He didn't state that clearly either.

The point is, he was at a hotel/motel when the police made contact with him. Then it leads to the question what was Bryce doing there? How long was he there? Did he see anyone? Did he or someone else have a room there? Those questions are all unanswered until maybe our verified insider comes back and has some answers for us.

 

[Redux]

If we can't take the police report as fact, then what can we take??? MSM often gets things wrong, yet so much of what we have discussed here has come from that source.

The police report said that the officer talked to Bryce AT THE HOTEL. If we throw that information out, then we throw out a whole lot of other stuff. Like all the things his friends said, all the things his parents said. And then we are back to square one.

The police officer made a formal, legal statement of the facts as they occured. I don't think anyone is reaching or making up things by standing on those facts of the case and discussing the possibilities of what that could mean.

Bryce was in Buttonwillow 10-14 hours. Why? Where was he? What was he doing? He had to be doing something. The place stinks, it's a small town just before entering Bakersfield. There is nothing there. Yet Bryce managed to do SOMETHING there for 10-14 hours. I don't see him sitting in his car in the baking California desert sun, listening to his car radio and just watching people. Not when he had some place to go. Something made he stop and stay there. The police report said he was at a hotel. Not a motel, a hotel.

That's more solid a clue then some of the other things we've run with here. JMO, IMO, MOO

Okay, assuming the police officer didn't make a mistake, what does "found Bryce at a hotel" mean? In a hotel or possibly sleeping in his car in the parking lot? You might read that is in the hotel, but I don't see it as clearcut.

Just as an aside, why doesn't it say the room number or even the name of the hotel?

Was the report that we have access to just a summary and there's possibly a more detailed report? Edited: Oops, I see 2Hope4 clarified that it's a dispatch report not a police report.

 

[2Hope4]

But see, this IS NOT the police report!!! It's dispatch's report!! Not every single item is going to be mentioned in dispatch's report!! So the officer might not have said hotel/motel interchangeable... DISPATCH might have!

 

[LinasK]

Maybe he was at a convention? LOL I forgot, that's the only other reason to go to a hotel. I've been to several conventions in hotels.

I don't know if the police officer uses hotel and motel interchangeably. But taken literally, that's what he said, he found him at a hotel. Some people do use hotel and motel interchangeably. It would have been nice had the police officer stated exactly which hotel/motel he found him at. And in the police statement, it could mean that he found Bryce on the hotel/motel premises. He didn't state that clearly either.

The point is, he was at a hotel/motel when the police made contact with him. Then it leads to the question what was Bryce doing there? How long was he there? Did he see anyone? Did he or someone else have a room there? Those questions are all unanswered until maybe our verified insider comes back and has some answers for us.

No reason to have a convention in Buttonwillow, unless it was for dairy farmers. The town literally stinks of cow poop.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

What hotels are in Buttonwillow? I've only ever seen motels, unless the cop wasn't making a distinction. To me motels are cheaper, you can drive up to the room doors, always access from the outside. Whereas a hotel is fancier, has inside hallways.

I am with you, I don't think there are any hotels in that area of Buttonwillow, just motels. I think the police officer probably refers to both hotels and motels as "hotels". If you do a google search for "hotels" in Buttonwillow you get a list of motels and "inns".