CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #5

[LinasK]

The way I understand the rest stop / gas delivery is this:
Bryce called for gas at 9:00 am from Buttonwillow, it was delivered sometime after but we don't know exactly when. Around noon his mother received a text survey asking about the service call, and this was the first indication she had that Bryce was not in his apartment in Rocklin.

She most likely called him but he didn't answer, so she called the service company, talked to the delivery person (Christian) and got him to go back and check on Bryce around 12:30, which would have been 2-3 hours after Christian delivered the gas.

I remember reading that one of the 2 times Christian went to Bryce's car, Bryce was not IN the car, and "may have been sleeping" according to Christian.

Bryce's mother did not speak to Bryce until that evening, when after he still hadn't arrived, she called the police, and they found him on Lagoon Drive in Buttonwillow at 9:00 pm. They probably also told him to answer his mother's calls from now on! Which he seems to have done a couple of times.

I have no idea why he would have stopped the car in the Buttonwillow area other than running out of gas, but as for what he may have been doing there if he wasn't sleeping - could he have been playing video games on his laptop? Could he have found power to recharge the laptop at the rest stop? Would he have needed wifi? Maybe that's why he moved to the location near the motels?

I'm pretty sure my son could spend 9 hours playing a video game, losing track of time,and being irritated at any interruption like Mom's phone calls, gas delivery or police check. JMO

Welcome, we like new theories...- thing is it was 105 in Buttonwillow that day and the town really smells like cow poop when it's hot, there is lots of agriculture, dairies around. It's not the kind of town you want to hang around. It gets lots of business from travelers right off I5- major N-S interstate through California, but it's brief visits- food, gas, etc, unless you stay overnight in a motel.

 

[SDHELPS]

Well, did they look into his bag, laptop, under floor mats, seats - everywhere?
Addicts are amazingly adept at hiding their stash. (I'm not saying he is one, I don't know.)
Unless it was an extremely thorough search, whatever he had with him could have easily been missed.

Was his laptop found in his vehicle? Has that been searched for clues to his involvements?
(Sorry, I'm a latecomer here.)

Laptop was left at the crash sight and is still in LE hands being examined in more detail. And JMO you don't need to be an "addict" to know how to hide something that would potentially land you in jail. I agree a lot could be missed in a 20 minute search. IMO it was more of a welfare check on Bryce to satisfy the parents and not a thorough search.

 

[Riverking21]

I'm not attacking you, I'm asking you a civilised question, if you have this info and you've passed it on to the family and police, what is your purpose for coming into this forum. Surely it's a fair question?
For example, is it because you believe they haven't followed up your information or not taken it seriously and you're concerned for Bryce's welfare?

I've been following this forum since the day Bryce went missing and my concern is Bryce and dragz can confirm that. I came here registered weeks ago and wanted to provide a different angle based on what I know to try and help others here and see if other posters can see what I missed maybe. That and the fact I'm a resident of the area and have been for 25+ years can answer questions . about it. Also being apart of the search crews since the begging I have been physically and emotionally involved as well.

 

[LinasK]

I've been following this forum since the day Bryce went missing and my concern is Bryce and dragz can confirm that. I came here registered weeks ago and wanted to provide a different angle based on what I know to try and help others here and see if other posters can see what I missed maybe. That and the fact I'm a resident of the area and have been for 25+ years can answer questions . about it. Also being apart of the search crews since the begging I have been physically and emotionally involved as well.

Let me say Welcome River King.:seeya: I'm glad to have your experience and from someone who is currently local. I used to waterski at Castaic, but that was back in the late '70's. You'll be verified soon enough, don't feel you have to justify yourself, or let other posters run you off.

 

[nothingnew]

I also believe he was breaking ties when he broke up with his girlfriend- maybe she didn't want to accept it, and that's why he felt he had to do it twice, but why head all the way down South, lose your vehicle to a crash, only to turn around and head further North to Oregon??? Why not just head straight to Oregon from Chico???

It was not Bryce's car though, I don't think. Pretty sure it belonged to his folks and they'd want it back if he decided to drop school and go off on some "adventure" after paying tuition for 2 years or so.

 

[Jillybean78]

FWIW i think you've brought us new info and i for one appreciate that. i also can very well see the scenario you've laid out. the 420 reference is one that i thought of when i first saw the time posted. Thank you for taking the time to clue us in to your theory.

Yes, I agree Riverking, thank you for coming on here to give us some new possible theories. Also, thank you for helping the family with the search efforts.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

The police searched him and his SUV. No drugs were found on him of any kind.

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(Still catching up, sorry) I don't know that we can assume he was searched, just his vehicle. Also, the dispatch report doesn't say anything about his truck being searched.

 

[Lawyer for the Peeps]

His family requested a well check be done before he left Buttonwillow.

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I think they just searched the car, not him. His mom can't give consent to search him, only the vehicle, because she owns the vehicle.

And I won't tell you how many times things have been not discovered in searches, or what kinds of things. It unfortunately happens.

 

[beshasmyheart]

(Still catching up, sorry) I don't know that we can assume he was searched, just his vehicle. Also, the dispatch report doesn't say anything about his truck being searched.

Thanks Voice4theSilent...I was just going to say something very similar. We don't even know if the truck was actually searched, and if it was, to what extent. There are quite a few things that have been said early on that have been proved to be false.

 

[gitana1]

RE: BL's texts to and from SD

Every time I read those text exchanges, they just scream to me that BL had
a drastic change/plan in mind and that BL shared that change/plan with SD. JMO

They certainly suggest something was happening and that his friend didn't want him to give up. To me that indicates Bryce was expressing some anguish.

I absolutely agree that SOMETHING significant happened to Bryce prior to that text to prompt that exchange.

"You saved my soul"....SD helped him get through something or did something for him.

I think we are missing a HUGE chunk of information on what occurred in those days leading up to his disappearance.

There is definitely more to his girlfriend taking away his keys. How was he acting? What was he saying? What was going on? How did he break up with her? (Was it a "hey let's take a break for awhile" or was it a "this is it forever" type of a thing.) That was the last place he was prior to his odd behavior in Buttonwillow. There is much more information there. MOO.

Looking forward to hearing some new and fresh theories on what happened to him at Castaic and where he might be.

I totally agree. It is clear to me that his roommate, his girlfriend and his mom were all concerned with Bryce before the trip started. Why? And does the answer help us find him?

It never rolled down the side of the mountain on the road. This wash with gravel you are referring to is no bigger then 2 feet wide at the most. He wasn't attempting to get down the side of hill at 19 years old in that small SUV he would not risk it. Even being 33 with a big lifted 4x4 I wouldn't do it not a chance. He's SUV got stuck in the soft sand and as he tried to turn the wheel it rolled that's what the evidence points to. There are impressions where the vehicle landed and where the tow truck pulled it out. I think there is a lot of confusion surrounding the actual "crash site"

I should note we tried to replicate his positioning with my truck at the site to try and understand what he was doing. I've been involved with the search teams and the volunteer group since this happened. The one thing that I think needs to get cleared up is the actual accident itself there is a lot of misleading info on where the truck landed and google maps is not helping this situation much.

I would love to see some photos with a car in position!

Thank you for giving some insight into this. With regards to getting stuck, I am wondering which direction he was stuck in, as in did he start to make the attempt to go down hill and when he realized how steep it was, tried to back up, or was he pointed at Lake Hughes Road and was stuck trying to go forward? Has it been established if the SUV went down hill backwards or forwards before it rolled?

What makes this a point of index for me is why would he attempt to get into a spot where he could be cornered by LE or Parks. I guess I am stuck on what could be so important down near the boat ramp that he attempted both gates and tired the break in the guardrail. Respectfully, looking for a quiet spot does not warrant the attempts he made to access a restricted (after hours) area. I am sure there are many other pay phones he could have used.

Where does the testing both gates theory come from, if you know?

You are looking at it the wrong way. He got off the freeway to rest and he ends up at the lake. He is unfamiliar with the area and wants to find a quiet place. I believe at one point short after his arrival he made his way from the crash site to the lower lagoon. Where he was probably hanging out in the park itself. Probably afraid he would get caught goes back up to the spot and positions himself at "420" to relax smoke some pot. Has he is trying to leave he gets the SUV stuck and in a panic hits the gas sending the vehicle to crash. He can't locate his cell phone and is afraid that he will get in trouble for being under the influence so he opens his bag pulls out whatever he has and try's to stay clear of Lake Hughes rd trying to not be seen by someone and stopped because he has stuff on him. He makes his way down the access road to the bottom of the dam where the dogs tracked his scent. From there he gets to the over flow however he can't get over the walls and instead of risking back tracking to lake Hughes rd up the hill he would have to climb he jumped in the lagoon to swim the 40-50 feet to the other side. Once he got out he wonders thru the lower park comes up to the bathroom area where pay phones are calls someone he trust for advice by collect and makes arrangements.

Almost half the people I know smoke pot. Seriously. The "420" thing is really so 90's.

You are looking at this wrong. I don't think he planned to disappear at all. I believe he fully intended to tell his parents of what he wanted to do. Just because he was on an allowance doesn't mean the thrill and the opportunity to make a lot of money isn't there. I think he took off because he was afraid of getting into trouble for the accident and being charged with possession and being under the influence

Well, River, you are not alone in your theory. Even Bryce's dad made a statement indicating the family entertained a similar theory- that Bryce purposefully left for fear of being in trouble. It's a plausible theory that he ran off if he was under the influence and afraid of getting in trouble for crashing the car.

I've been following this forum since the day Bryce went missing and my concern is Bryce and dragz can confirm that. I came here registered weeks ago and wanted to provide a different angle based on what I know to try and help others here and see if other posters can see what I missed maybe. That and the fact I'm a resident of the area and have been for 25+ years can answer questions . about it. Also being apart of the search crews since the begging I have been physically and emotionally involved as well.

Honey, you do NOT have to explain why you are posting! We can all disagree with one another but everyone has a right to express their opinion and YOU are welcome here! We really value local posters who can give us that specific perspective! Thanks for being here.

 

[SCV_EagleJ]

So was he supposed to be going to Oregon by himself?

I believe this could all be plausible but I don't get how he would have gotten out of the area unless his friend was following him. I don't believe he could have waited out wet for 3+ hours for him to drive down and get him. If this is the case does his friend have an alibi?

All I'm going is if this is true I think they are both . I mean yeah I can understand being scared to get in trouble but to worry his parent for this long without at least letting them know he's alive. Especially because him and his parents are believed to be extremely close. Nevermind the thousands of people helping and looking for him. I think those are the only 2 things that don't make sense to me.

 

[nothingnew]

so Bryce is heading down the 5, pretty much towards his parents, winds up pulling off at a public park/lake, to burn one in the wee hours, parked off a main road at a fence, some how the vehicle flips, somehow decides this is the opportune time to blow off life as he knew it, he uses a pay phone to call a bud for help, no pun intended, and he leaves the area and is now working on a pot farm.....which LE can't go on without a search warrant btw and I believe a lot of those workers get paid in pot not cash.

really trying to wrap my head around that type of scenario

I think you might have a few things out of order there. Also just to let you know if you are getting "paid in pot" and you want money then you can quite easily turn around and sell your pot for cash, it's all about convenience-THAT is what you're paying for.

 

[AmandaFast]

In the meantime I will vouch for riverking. He's been a buddy of mine and has had contact with the family as have I. So let's all just wait for him to be verified.

Everyone is entitled to there opinions without being interrogated!

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[RoseGarden]

Thanks Voice4theSilent...I was just going to say something very similar. We don't even know if the truck was actually searched, and if it was, to what extent. There are quite a few things that have been said early on that have been proved to be false.

They searched the vehicle - click at 7 minutes in this great, long interview with Karen, BL's mom (there is a great deal of info in this interview, btw):
http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station_content/616/JK_Interview_1_1378336526_9975.mp3

 

[nothingnew]

I guess it seems far fetched but with the history and his friends it's not that far fetched. I guess the things I know and this being out together doesn't seem far fetched at all. Thinking of terms of a 19 year old kid who lives in close to a county that is well known for potheads and his screen name being "purple k" for purple kush. I believe there is something here.

I think it makes a lot of sense but I don't think he made it away from Castaic, hope he did though. It just seems so many people find trauma when they are trying to hide from police.

 

[nothingnew]

The police searched him and his SUV. No drugs were found on him of any kind.

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I thought they did just a "look-see" on the SUV, nothing about K9 for doing a full on search. I could be wrong because I have missed and forgotten quite a bit.

 

[AmandaFast]

Well that's interesting then. So we can't rule anything out during the search.

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[Quester]

*IF* Riverking's theory is correct, wouldn't BL be a huge liability to his current "employers" given the media attention and following this case has received? TIA

 

[RDW]

Some very interesting thought processes going on here. Riverking may not be too far off-base.

I went on a short business trip with a close business collegue last week. He works on the Central East Coast and I on the west. During some idle chit chat I asked him how his son was doing (he had always said his 22/23 YO son was kind of a lost soul as it related to college and career). He hesitated a few minutes then said; "my son is doing awesome, he has found his true calling. He is working on a Pot farm in the Central Valley (roughly four hours north of Castaic). I don't really agree with what he is doing...But he is very happy and focused. That makes me and the wife very happy".

Apparently there is quite the network out there for this type of "life style" (his words). He described it as communal living where like minded folks (people who love the art and science of growing pot) can live and work in relative obscurity.